Win every championship, MVP, FMVP for the rest of his career.
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Win every championship, MVP, FMVP for the rest of his career.
2007, 2011 and 2014 will never be erased from his resume. Even if he wins 4-5 more titles he'll still go down losing 3 finals choking in 2 of them.
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[QUOTE=Beastmode88]2007, 2011 and 2014 will never be erased from his resume. Even if he wins 4-5 more titles he'll still go down losing 3 finals choking in 2 of them.[/QUOTE]
2011 is the GOAT choke, but he didn't choke in the other two. 2014 his TEAM was utterly destroyed and he played well enough to win. If '07 is a choke than something like Kobe's '04 Finals is a choke as well
Get his name on a Coke bottle to start
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If he gets to 5 rings and 6 MVP's he is right there in the conversation. If he finishes with 3-4 rings and 5 MVP's then he isn't--but he is still clearly top 5 all-time. If he can somehow get to 6-7 rings and 7 MVP's then he isn't just in the conversation but has an extremely strong case.
Most likely LeBron will finish with 5-6 MVP's and 4-5 rings, which would put him up there with KAJ, MJ, Wilt and Russell in the GOAT conversation.
Regarding becoming the public GOAT? If he gets anywhere in the ballpark described above the media will anoint him the GOAT and most of the public will follow.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]If he gets to 5 rings and 6 MVP's he is right there in the conversation. If he finishes with 3-4 rings and 5 MVP's then he isn't--but he is still clearly top 5 all-time. If he can somehow get to 6-7 rings and 7 MVP's then he isn't just in the conversation but has an extremely strong case.
Most likely LeBron will finish with 5-6 MVP's and 4-5 rings, which would put him up there with KAJ, MJ, Wilt and Russell in the GOAT conversation.
Regarding becoming the public GOAT? If he gets anywhere in the ballpark described above the media will anoint him the GOAT and most of the public will follow.[/QUOTE]
Disagree with the last part. Media rankings as follows:
Jordan > God > LeBron
LeBron is hot on God's tail but I don't think he can ever surpass MJ.
Eat fresh grass.
[QUOTE=GrapeApe]Disagree with the last part. Media rankings as follows:
Jordan > God > LeBron
LeBron is hot on God's tail but I don't think he can ever surpass MJ.[/QUOTE]
I think that will change. I could be wrong but here is why: what is a better story?
[I]Can LeBron James become the 2nd greatest player ever?[/I]
[I]Is LeBron James top 3 all-time?[/I]
Or...
[I]Is LeBron James the best ever?[/I]
[I]Has LeBron James surpassed MJ?[/I]
I can't recall any player ever getting hyped as "2nd all-time" or "3rd all-time." The question always is, for those kind of players, whether they are the GOAT. Then there are players like Magic, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe whose ceiling is top 5 and things are limited to that but if a player has a resume good enough to be in the discussion for 2nd or 3rd or even 4th (which would mean he would eclipse one Wilt or Russell) then that player will inevitably wind up in the GOAT conversation, especially with the media. While MJ is hyped as>>>>every other player the difference, when people actually look at the record, between 1st all-time and 4th is minimal. You could have any of those players anywhere from 1-4 legitimately. The media would be hard press to put LeBron in between KAJ, Wilt, and Russell while acting as if MJ still>>>>>LeBron, under the scenarios laid out in this thread about LeBron's resume.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]If he gets to 5 rings and 6 MVP's he is right there in the conversation. If he finishes with 3-4 rings and 5 MVP's then he isn't--but he is still clearly top 5 all-time. If he can somehow get to 6-7 rings and 7 MVP's then he isn't just in the conversation but has an extremely strong case.
Most likely LeBron will finish with 5-6 MVP's and 4-5 rings, which would put him up there with KAJ, MJ, Wilt and Russell in the GOAT conversation.
Regarding becoming the public GOAT? If he gets anywhere in the ballpark described above the media will anoint him the GOAT and most of the public will follow.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. 5-6 rings wont put him above MJ to most, but some will say it does. I'd put him around 4-5th. Maybe 2-3 if the Kareem longevity is there.
7-8 rings and 7-8 FMVPs/MVPs though? Pedo will commit suicide trying to jump through hoops trying to explain how even with the failures he still won more. :oldlol: He will be the GOAT if he manages that, although realistically it is impossible.
5 more rings in Cleveland, with at least one three peat.
Not anyone can be goat. People don't realize but Luck plays a MAJOR factor in it.
Michael Jordan was the perfect storm.
-Goat level natural talent
-Goat level motivation and competitiveness
and in terms of luck
-Goat level coaches in college and nba
-and for all the flak Krause got, great front office.
LeBron had a legit shot at GOAT status. Pretty rare. He messed it up tho, I'm not a hater/fan but that Mavericks series was bad. That along with him not putting up a fight vs S.A with Cleveland is a bad smudge to have. Fine if you want to be a top 10 player, can't be GOAT with that tho. He's just been underwhelming at timesvs his talent/MJ. We've seen what he can do, therefore at certain times in his career while he's played good enough to be a top 10 player he's came up short enough not to be GOAT.
He'll dominate statistically, with MVP's, accolades and will finish as the 2nd-7th best player of All-Time depending on how things finish up. To be the GOAT, he'll unrealistically need 4 or more rings, more MVP's, more FMVP's.
His longevity is key. I have a feeling he might be Magic lite at 35/36. Like 14-15 points, career high in assists etc. if he's still winning rings at that point than he has an outside chance. He needs to go above and beyond to be the GOAT post 30. Doubt it happens, but with his durability he has an outside shot. How he ages will determine alot.
Once he becomes the NBA's all time leader in PER (Player Efficiency Rating) by surpassing MJ this year, imo he will become GOAT
[QUOTE=dubeta]Once he becomes the NBA's all time leader in PER (Player Efficiency Rating) by surpassing MJ this year, imo he will become GOAT[/QUOTE]
So by this logic Robinson, CP3, Wade, & Neil Johnston are all top 10 players
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]So by this logic Robinson, CP3, Wade, & Neil Johnston are all top 10 players[/QUOTE]
I dont know about Neil Johnston but the rest of them probably have top ten worthy peaks.
PER is an arbitrary stat so nobody should use it in that manner. Dubeta is just doing what does best. Troll.