The US Air campaign against ISIS thread.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]They have British citizenship, but they are not British. I could move to Japan and get citizenship, but I'll never be Japanese.[/QUOTE]
The ones born and raised their whole lives in the UK and have UK passports are British, regardless of their ethnicity or where their parents are from.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]The ones born and raised their whole lives in the UK and have UK passports are British, regardless of their ethnicity or where their parents are from.[/QUOTE]
They still dont belong to the british nations.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]you're missing some rather key questions from your op, kevin. you want to talk about predictable outcomes, which is all well and good since our policies should be predicated on the extent to which we can figure out "what will happen if we do x". but that extent only extends to our understanding of recent history in the region which you (conveniently? absent-mindedly? naively?) left out.[/QUOTE]
Never intended the post to be inclusive. Want a thread where the new developments and questions can be asked in one place. Like your questions. It was never intended as some grand statement.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]a few quick responses

the iraqi military was massively armed. it has since fallen apart. a very important question to ask, given what you say which i believe is largely accurate, is why the iraqi army fell apart. [/QUOTE]

I don't think you need to back to far to answer the question. Maliki didn't set up a professional army. The officer core seemed quite thorougly corrupt. When recruits were asked why they fled the posts in the face of ISIS, they said our officers stole the supply money. They had no water. Rationally, they thought better of fighting an advancing for in the desert without water and they fled.

My guess is the army that protects the Shiite areas is much better supplied, trained and disciplined. That is Maliki set up a Praetorian guard to protect himself from coups, but did not set up a national army to protect the country. Just a guess here.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]

:( :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Don't know if that is directed at me or Obama, but I assumed folks would see I used it ironically.

[QUOTE]Don't know if that is directed at me or Obama, but I assumed folks would see I used it ironically.[/QUOTE]
it was directed at lindsay graham and michael sheenan in the video i posted.

i wouldn't directly insult you at this point. i've got a lot of respect for the effort you put into research and your ability to evaluate evidence; if not for your ideological position.



as for the substance of this thread, i'll be returning to probe into it with others who're interested in figuring this stuff out. i understand you didn't exhaust the issue of the middle east with this one single thread. my post was merely pointing to questions that one would need to ask to exhaust the issue of the middle east.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]it was directed at lindsay graham and michael sheenan in the video i posted.

i wouldn't directly insult you at this point. i've got a lot of respect for the effort you put into research and your ability to evaluate evidence; if not for your ideological position.[/QUOTE]
:cheers:

thanks, I didn't follow the links.

I respect your posts too, though sometimes, they seems a little hazy to me.

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]:cheers:

thanks, I didn't follow the links.

I respect your posts too, though sometimes, they seems a little hazy to me.[/QUOTE]
it's a two minute video you should check it out... especially after all that specifically relevant high praise lol

hazy is not surprising but i'm trying to be more direct lately

More fake enemies so Military Industrial Complex can rape Treasury some more.

MIC doin' work. :bowdown:

the irony of this:lol

[QUOTE=bagelred]More fake enemies so Military Industrial Complex can rape Treasury some more.

MIC doin' work. :bowdown:[/QUOTE]

So know we know what MIC is.

Can you explain how they are fake.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]it's a two minute video you should check it out... especially after all that specifically relevant high praise lol

hazy is not surprising but i'm trying to be more direct lately[/QUOTE]

maybe later. wasting time on a busy day at work.

Also if it was directed at me, I wouldn't have taken it as an insult from you, more of a teasing.

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]maybe later. wasting time on a busy day at work.

Also if it was directed at me, I wouldn't have taken it as an insult from you, more of a teasing.[/QUOTE]
it should be quite familiar (the video)

Who are the countries supporting Obama on this issue?

[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]Who are the countries supporting Obama on this issue?[/QUOTE]
A bunch from NATO. And a bunch of Sunni Arab countries.

But if you find a list post it here.

we shouldn't/aren't sending our ground troops. it would be a horrible mistake.

yes we can win without doing that, we're not the only country, its basically the somewhat civilized world vs a extremist group. Iraq/Syria and whoever else can hunt them from there.

our air support will completely wreck them where they hide behind people and do Al Qaeda/Taliban fighting style. i really hate how we're going after the leadership first tho instead of all their peons, since they all need to be blown up before coming back home to wage terror amongst us.

anyways i expect us to crush them until they start hiding and fighthing behind curtains. i really hope we don't allow anyone that joined them to come back home, its really fukked up that is even a possibility :facepalm

civilization vs the barbarians

haven't heard that line before