Kobe is Mismatch for Lebron 1-on-1: Video

[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]

so basically your making an assumption based on your beliefs and opinions

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it's not an assumption - it's the truth that Jordan [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]scored on Rodman easier[/u][/url] than Paul George, Kobe, Kawhi Leonard, Gordon Hayward, or Paul Pierce scored on Lebron.

not only is jordan better than those guys, but rodman is a better defender than lebron as well, so it only makes sense to conclude that jordan would be a massive mismatch for lebron, just like he was against all bigger defenders, such as [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]Dennis Rodman[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10667188&postcount=19][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url].
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[QUOTE=3ball]it's not an assumption - it's the truth that Jordan [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]scored on Rodman easier[/u][/url] than Paul George, Kobe, Kawhi Leonard, Gordon Hayward, or Paul Pierce scored on Lebron.

not only is jordan better than those guys, but rodman is a better defender than lebron as well, so it only makes sense to conclude that jordan would be a massive mismatch for lebron, just like he was against all bigger defenders, such as [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10667188&postcount=19][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url].[/QUOTE]

so its still an opinion?

[QUOTE=3ball]it's not an assumption - it's the truth that Jordan [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]scored on Rodman easier[/u][/url] than Paul George, Kobe, Kawhi Leonard, Gordon Hayward, or Paul Pierce scored on Lebron.

not only is jordan better than those guys, but rodman is a better defender than lebron as well, so it only makes sense to conclude that jordan would be a massive mismatch for lebron, just like he was against all bigger defenders, such as [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10667188&postcount=19][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url].[/QUOTE]

These transitive arguments you keep making A>B B>C therefore A>C don't work in sports. It's all about matchups.

[QUOTE=ThatCoolKid]These transitive arguments you keep making A>B B>C therefore A>C don't work in sports. [/QUOTE]
true, but as you can see, the video shows kobe scoring easily on lebron, which means jordan would score even easier.

kobe's dominance of the league has always just been an advertisement for how much greater jordan would be.


[QUOTE]It's all about matchups.[/QUOTE]
exactly - which is why OP's video of Kobe scoring so easily on Lebron is not surprising - quick SG's have always been big mismatches for slower forwards.

a quickness deficit is the most threatening to a defense, and the forward's quickness deficit makes the entire team defense more vulnerable - this is why out of all the positions, quick SG's present the biggest mismatches against the entire range of possible defenders.
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To even it out a little bit, here's a shot from '08 LeBron over Kobe at the end of a game in LA to put the Cavs up by 3.

[URL="http://youtu.be/hcWlEXrYjLE?t=11m47s"]http://youtu.be/hcWlEXrYjLE?t=11m47s[/URL]

Still remember when it was crunch time and Lebron was defending Kobe, he hit 3 straight jumpers from the same spot with the last one being a game-winner

Lebron deferred to Ilgauskas in that game as well, I think he had a season-high scoring game too and scored one of the big baskets in the final minute.

[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]

so its still an opinion?

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You think it's just my opinion that Jordan scored better on Rodman, than Paul George, Kawhi and others scored on Lebron?

The eyetest of watching [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]MJ's FG's on Rodman[/u][/url] shows that Jordan scored more frequently and spectacularly on a better defender (Rodman), than inferior scorers (Paul George, Kawhi, etc) scored on a worse defender (Lebron).

As easy as Kobe scores on Lebron in OP's video, does it compare to the more spectacular plays and higher frequency that Jordan had on Rodman?

Point me to where Kobe, Kawhi, or any of these guys' highlights compare - Have any of these guys ever hit a game-winner on lebron, had a GOAT hangtime finish on a jumpshot, or dunked on 3 guys after the blow-by like MJ did on Rodman below?.. How about all three?


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Lebron is an inferior defender to Rodman, and Jordan scores much better than Kobe, Kawhi, and the like: that means Jordan would destroy Lebron.

Jordan scored better against a better defender, than inferior scorers scored on a worse defender.

[B]in b4 someone posts something inferior to the plays above[/B]
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1-on-1 being slightly shorter but considerably faster off the first step is a huge advantage.

Kobe would beat LeBron 1-on-1 IMO at any comparable age.

Where's LeBron's offensive highlights? I remember he made Kobe fall with a spin move in 2010. Didn't convert because he got tripped up by Bryant's feet on the ground.

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Lebron is an inferior defender to Rodman, and Jordan scores much better than Kobe, Kawhi, and the like: that means Jordan would destroy Lebron.

Jordan scored better against a better defender, than inferior scorers scored on a worse defender.

[B]in b4 someone posts something inferior to the plays above[/B]
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Thats so wrong in so many ways.
And no, Kobe at his best is the best scorer of all time and I dont even like the guy.
Jordan would have a tough time scoring on Lebron too. Half of those tough shots Kobe scored in that video would not fall in for Jordan.

[QUOTE=LEFT4DEAD]
Jordan would have a tough time scoring on Lebron too. Half of those tough shots Kobe scored in that video would not fall in for Jordan.[/QUOTE]
How would you even be able to say that so definitively? MJ's made plenty of difficult shots.

Moot point anyway considering MJ gets way better separation from his defender than Kobe. If Jordan was torching prime Pippen daily, you think he'd struggle with LeBron? Pippen is a superior defender.

Also ... you basically just claimed Kobe is a better scorer than Jordan.

Mike would have an easier time scoring on LeBron than Kobe due to his comparable deceptive footwork, skill set but with superior athleticism, quickness, and hops.

I don`t get the point of the thread.

Smaller, faster guards are "always" a mismatch for bigger guys. Especially when they are as skilled as Kobe.

But it also goes the other way, the bigger guy will have an advantage ehen he`s on offence. Like a guy with the tools that Bron has.

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If this is a Kobe vs Lerbron debate I`m out.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]How would you even be able to say that so definitively? MJ's made plenty of difficult shots.

Moot point anyway considering MJ gets way better separation from his defender than Kobe. If Jordan was torching prime Pippen daily, you think he'd struggle with LeBron? Pippen is a superior defender.

Also ... you basically just claimed Kobe is a better scorer than Jordan.

Mike would have an easier time scoring on LeBron than Kobe due to his comparable deceptive footwork, skill set but with superior athleticism, quickness, and hops.[/QUOTE]
Kobe in his prime is two times better scorer than anybody in the NBA history. And he even had to score on the best defenders of all times like Bowen or Marion and not on some 6'1" midget.

Young and not so experienced Kobe destroyed Jordan in couple of matchups. Jordan was obviously shooked on so many ocassions when Kobe was playing vs him and dont even try to deny it.

And I thought Jordan and Pippen were playing together? :biggums:

[QUOTE=LEFT4DEAD]Kobe in his prime is two times better scorer than anybody in the NBA history. And he even had to score on the best defenders of all times like Bowen or Marion and not on some 6'1" midget.

Young and not so experienced Kobe destroyed Jordan in couple of matchups. Jordan was obviously shooked on so many ocassions when Kobe was playing vs him and dont even try to deny it.

[B]And I thought Jordan and Pippen were playing together?[/B] :biggums:[/QUOTE]


I think they only faced off once in 03 and Pippen outplayed MJ in that game

14/7/5 on 86% shooting for Pippen
14/5/1 on 60% shooting for MJ

Huge mismatch. What idiot would put Lebron on Kobe Bryant?

Lets talk about the defensive mismatch too. If Kobe is on Lebron, don't pass the ball to Lebron or else it would end up being a steal or block by Kobe.

Lets not forget this either.....nuts all up in the chin.
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