Put Wade on the Bulls from 1984-1996, How does his Career turn out?

Interesting topic. To be frank, I don't believe Wade would win much if ANY championships. Think about it. His first title was won in 2006, but only after the perimeter rule changes, as he needed arguably the worst officiated series in history to secure a title and Finals MVP. But not just that -- there were MULTIPLE head coaches who claimed Shaq was still the lead alpha dog and BEST player on the Heat. His next 2 titles were derived from sidekick status alongside LeBron.

Chicago would be lucky to win 1, in my opinion, as I think Wade would have trouble adjusting to the 80's and 90's handchecking rules (along with being a more physically taxing era). Pippen is clearly an inferior player to LeBron, but what made those Bulls teams great was Pippen's leadership and playmaking. The Bulls never had championship success prior to Pippen and haven't since he's retired.

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This is just a dumb post and Im not even going to a argue with this fool. :banghead:[/QUOTE]
Sorry for the double post. Don't know why you feel that way, though.

What's your beef?

[QUOTE=insidious301]Interesting topic. To be frank, I don't believe Wade would win much if ANY championships with these teams. Think about it. His first title was won in 2006, just after the perimeter rule changes, but he needed arguably the worst officiated series in history to secure a title and Finals MVP. Not just that, there were MULTIPLE head coaches who claimed Shaq was still the lead alpha dog and BEST player on the Heat. His next 2 titles were derived from sidekick status alongside LeBron.

Chicago would be lucky to win 1, as I think Wade would have trouble adjusting the older perimeter rules (along with being a more physically taxing era). Pippen is clearly an inferior player to LeBron, but what made those Bulls teams great was Pippen's leadership and playmaking. The Bulls never had championship success prior to Pippen and haven't since he's retired.[/QUOTE]
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Wade was one rib injury away from making the Finals in his 2nd year. Dude was hitting game winners in his rookie year in the Playoffs in '04. Those years were before the rule changes, right? If you haven't seen Wade play earlier in his career, you should. There are a lot of games online. His meniscus and the punishment he took form his slashing are the reasons why he is so injury prone today.

This post is going to piss off so many MJ stans on this board. You're a Pippen stan, I'm assuming? Didn't your boy routinely sit out because of headaches and plays not being called for him? :oldlol:

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Wade was one rib injury away from making the Finals in his 2nd year. Dude was hitting game winners in his rookie year in the Playoffs in '04. Those years were before the rule changes, right? If you haven't seen Wade play earlier in his career, you should. There are a lot of games online. His meniscus and the punishment he took form his slashing are the reasons why he is so injury prone today.

This post is going to piss off so many MJ stans on this board. You're a Pippen stan, I'm assuming? Didn't your boy routinely sit out because of headaches and plays not being called for him? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


Didn't Wade get wheeled off sobbing when he hurt his shoulder, so probably not the best thing to call out other players toughness when you got Wade in your corner

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Wade was one rib injury away from making the Finals in his 2nd year. Dude was hitting game winners in his rookie year in the Playoffs in '04. Those years were before the rule changes, right? If you haven't seen Wade play earlier in his career, you should. There are a lot of games online. His meniscus and the punishment he took form his slashing are the reasons why he is so injury prone today.

This post is going to piss off so many MJ stans on this board. You're a Pippen stan, I'm assuming? Didn't your boy routinely sit out because of headaches and plays not being called for him? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Don't get it twisted. Wade is a superb player, and just behind Kobe when we're discussing the best SG's of the millennium and beyond. I've seen his style of play though. His reckless abandon and herky-jerk style would wear thin on the physical defenses in the 90's. More importantly, though, his injuries would amass, making him look a step or two slower with handchecking.

Would Pippen's leadership and defensive intangibles be able to cover these glaring issues? I don't think so.

[QUOTE=The_Pharcyde]Didn't Wade get wheeled off sobbing when he hurt his shoulder, so probably not the best thing to call out other players toughness when you got Wade in your corner[/QUOTE]

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He separated his Shoulder first of all. The Nerves for your shoulder can cause you to lose feeling in your Legs much like how the nerves for your mouth are connected to the eye but I wouldn't expect you to know that.

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bigs weren't afraid to knock smaller guys out with their elbows, things that are flagrant fouls today sometimes weren't even fouls back in the days. fucc outta here.

nikka already came into the league with a bad knee and declined 8 seasons into his career, if he was drafted in 84, he'd be done as the main guy by 93-94 and Pippen would be the main guy, maybe they make a couple Finals but only win 1-2 titles max because Wade isn't close to MJ's greatness and they're not winning shit in the 80s.[/QUOTE]

8,772 free throw attempts by Michael Jordan (9th all time) says they called fouls just fine.

So would 13,188 free throw attempts by Karl Malone, 11,862 attempts by Wilt, 11k by shaq, 11k by Moses. I guess they n ever called fouls back in the day tho.

The only active players in the Top 25 all time free throw attempts are old and and/or played many seasons and are elite and those are Kobe, Paul Pierce, Tim Duncan, Dirk, LeBron, and Dwight Howard (hack a dwight).

So take your stupid foggy memory and dumb my era was tougher than your era shit somewhere else.

[QUOTE=The_Pharcyde]Didn't Wade get wheeled off sobbing when he hurt his shoulder, so probably not the best thing to call out other players toughness when you got Wade in your corner[/QUOTE]
He had a dislocated shoulder which made him miss a lot of games and required surgery. He did however put off the surgery, which would've ended his season and came back before the Playoffs started. If you want to talk about toughness, look at his '12 and '13 Playoffs. Dude was playing on completely messed up knees and missed only one game, which was Spo's decision.

Wade in place of Jordan, even if Pippen became the same player, wouldn't beat the Pistons or Knicks... Let alone some of the other playoff match ups they had.

Wade was really screwed by injuries, I won't say it's an unfair hypothetical, but he's not exactly in a favorable spot here. If it's prime Wade placed in 91, it'd be close. Not sure how many he'd win.
[QUOTE=AirFederer]Between 2 and 4.

Btw I don't see Kobe matching that at all.[/QUOTE]
You mention Kobe in literally every post you make :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Milbuck]Wade was really screwed by injuries, I won't say it's an unfair hypothetical, but he's not exactly in a favorable spot here. If it's prime Wade placed in 91, it'd be close. Not sure how many he'd win.

You mention Kobe in literally every post you make :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
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Kobe.

[QUOTE=Wade's Rings]This is assuming the Bulls never drafted Jordan and Wade was the Franchise Player.[/QUOTE]

I know. I meant Pippen and Wade would be the best perimeter players of that era--and on the same team.

[QUOTE]Can a Jordan/Bulls historian please tell me/us what series in which Jordan did play were even close? I know the Bulls never had a game 7 in the Finals. What about other rounds?[/QUOTE]

Here are their series that went the distance from 1985-1998:

1989 first round (5 games)
1990 ECF
1992 ECSF
1994 ECSF (MJ retired, Pete Myers at SG)
1998 ECF

That is it. The same team that happened to take Chicago to 7 games in 92' faced Chicago with Pete Myers, not MJ in 94' and that series also went 7 games. Only two series, one ECF and one second round series, went the distance during Chicago's title years.

[QUOTE]even if Pippen became the same player, wouldn't beat the Pistons or [B]Knicks[/B]...[/QUOTE]

They went 7 games versus the Knicks with D-League Myers but would lose with a top 3-4 all-time SG? In 91', when Chicago beat Detroit, they swept them. They would lose with Wade?

To understand their superiority look at the length of the ECF when CHI won: 4 games, 6 games, 6 games, 4 games, 5 games and 7 games. Three cake ECF's and the 92' one went 6 games but Chicago was clearly superior--sweeping the Cavs in both 93' and 94' (sweeping them without MJ!).

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Here are their series that went the distance from 1985-1998:

1989 first round (5 games)
1990 ECF
1992 ECSF
1994 ECSF (MJ retired, Pete Myers at SG)
1998 ECF

That is it. The same team that happened to take Chicago to 7 games in 92' faced Chicago with Pete Myers, not MJ in 94' and that series also went 7 games. Only two series, one ECF and one second round series, went the distance during Chicago's title years.
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Thanks. I thought it was something like that.

So basically anyone saying Wade would not win a single title, or only one, is saying that even with an additional game in most of the playoff series, he wouldn't be enough to compensate for Jordan.

Silly notion, IMO.

Any high-scoring wing that is also a plus defender, inserted on to that team in place of Jordan, would instantly make them title favorites. Team was nasty, and stacked.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Wade in place of Jordan, even if Pippen became the same player, wouldn't beat the Pistons or Knicks... Let alone some of the other playoff match ups they had.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=insidious301]Interesting topic. To be frank, I don't believe Wade would win much if ANY championships. Think about it. His first title was won in 2006, but only after the perimeter rule changes, as he needed arguably the worst officiated series in history to secure a title and Finals MVP. But not just that -- there were MULTIPLE head coaches who claimed Shaq was still the lead alpha dog and BEST player on the Heat. His next 2 titles were derived from sidekick status alongside LeBron.

Chicago would be lucky to win 1, in my opinion, as I think Wade would have trouble adjusting to the 80's and 90's handchecking rules (along with being a more physically taxing era). Pippen is clearly an inferior player to LeBron, but what made those Bulls teams great was Pippen's leadership and playmaking. The Bulls never had championship success prior to Pippen and haven't since he's retired.[/QUOTE]

Decent point about the handchecking and overall 80s/90s rules. With Wade's durability in question, its tough saying. I think 1-3 titles is safe, although after reading your post and a few others, I'm not even sure if that.