[QUOTE=AirBourne92]kobe shouldve won both of those[/QUOTE]
The one where he missed the Playoffs, a bunch of games, and wasn't close to being the best player in the league when he was on the court?
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[QUOTE=AirBourne92]kobe shouldve won both of those[/QUOTE]
The one where he missed the Playoffs, a bunch of games, and wasn't close to being the best player in the league when he was on the court?
[QUOTE=T_L_P]The one where he missed the Playoffs, a bunch of games, and wasn't close to being the best player in the league when he was on the court?[/QUOTE]
Kobe stans. :facepalm
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]when was the last time a somebody had a more historic regular season in 06 than Kobe?
and how you gonna be MVP (dirk) when you let the other guy beat your team by himself on your home court?
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/371112-nba-mvp-the-5-biggest-snubs-of-the-past-30-years/page/6[/url][/QUOTE]Why would you use Nash beating Dirk against Dirk when Nash and the Amare-less Suns beat the Lakers in that same season? Besides, what does that have to do with the regular season?
And as historic as Kobe's season was he was basically putting up crazy numbers on a mediocre/low seeded team. We've seen players do this in similar fashion and not win MVP. MJ in '87 had almost the exact same season and didn't win it, same for his '89 season. Robinson in '94 didn't win it, T-Mac in '03 didn't win it, Wade & Paul in '09 didn't win it either.
I'm just going off tradition, the best player isn't always the MVP. Look at Lebron this and last season. Was he the best? Arguably yes. Did/does he have the best case for MVP? No.
[QUOTE=navy]45 wins.[/QUOTE]
so? that team doesn't win 5 games without him, replace him with Jamal Crawford and they maybe win 10
He single handily carried his team into the playoffs & had to score 40 every night to do it.. he was clearly the most valuable player to his team in 06, and it was even clearer who was the best player in the league
certain media members completely left him off the ballot
if you're using Kobe's W/L record against him for 06, then you are defining MVP as a team award, and not an award that goes to the best individual player in the league.
Kobe was easily the best player in 06.Or for most of it anyways, but lol at winning the mvp on a sub 50 win team. And yes, everyone knows that supporting cast was garbage
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]so? that team doesn't win 5 games without him, replace him with Jamal Crawford and they maybe win 10
He single handily carried his team into the playoffs & had to score 40 every night to do it.. he was clearly the most valuable player to his team in 06, and it was even clearer who was the best player in the league
certain media members completely left him off the ballot
[B]if you're using Kobe's W/L record against him for 06, then you are defining MVP as a team award, and not an award that goes to the best individual player in the league.[/B][/QUOTE]
It's a combination of both. Clearly.
2006 either belonged to lebron/kobe/dirk
his 2005 award belonged to shaq, but it was his only legit mvp because of lack of other candidates.
then again, my criteria involves best player on playoff team.. the media shifts its narrative every year it seems (see: jordan winning in 1988, despite 6 other teams with better w/l records.
[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Because there's players in the league who could avg. 35ppg if they took 27 FGA per game.[/QUOTE]
who in todays league could take 27 shots per game while not being a detriment to their team?
does Lebron taking 27 shots every night on the Cavs while freezing out Love and Kyrie make them better? no
does Curry taking 27 shots on the Warriors every night while freezing out Klay make them better? no
Did Kobe taking 27 shots per game in 06 max out his teams potential?
yes, it clearly did as the stats show, they were barely a .500 team when he DIDN"T SCORE 40, and were 18-9 when he did..
so clearly Kobe was doing what was best for the team.
[QUOTE=navy]Kobe was easily the best player in 06.Or for most of it anyways, but lol at winning the mvp on a sub 50 win team. And yes, everyone knows that supporting cast was garbage[/QUOTE]
People seem to confuse best player in the league vs the MVP award. It's never been about being the best player in the league even though there are years the two coincided
You can't win it if you're on a midlevel team or you miss a bunch of games
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]:wtf:
where did i say that in this thread?
stop making shit up :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Lol my bad, on my phone and misread. Saw Dirk and MVP and automatically thought of 07 for some reason
Like I said, kobe had a great season. 45 wins just dont cut it.... Even Lebron managed 50 wins averaging insane stats as well.
[QUOTE=T_L_P]Nah. They barely won game 1 going 49 of 50 from the line. They lost the next two with Dirk.[/QUOTE]
And they won 1 game without Dirk as well, could've easily went to 7 games and won it all imo.
[QUOTE=Young X][B]Why would you use Nash beating Dirk against Dirk when Nash and the Amare-less Suns beat the Lakers in that same season? Besides, what does that have to do with the regular season?[/B]
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what are you talking about, i haven't mentioned a single thing about post season play in this thread. I never mentioned Nash beating Dirk
Dirk got beat by Kobe on his home court in the regular season, and by that I don't mean the Lakers beat the Mavs, I mean Kobe beat the Mavs by outscoring them through 3 quarters by himself making the game a blowout
i'm not going to take the time to read the rest of your post if your reading comprehension isn't good enough to even respond properly to mine.
Yeah because this topic comes up so much in ANY BASKETBALL DISCUSSION EVERYWHERE...right? Except it doesn't. Nobody frankly ****ing cares who won MVP in 2005 or 2006. Nobody was so overwhelmingly great and leading their team to a high win percentage for anyone to really garner any butthurt feelings.
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]who in todays league could take 27 shots per game while not being a detriment to their team?
[B]does Lebron taking 27 shots every night on the Cavs while freezing out Love and Kyrie make them better? no
does Curry taking 27 shots on the Warriors every night while freezing out Klay make them better? no[/B]
[B]Did Kobe taking 27 shots per game in 06 max out his teams potential?[/B]
yes, it clearly did as the stats show, they were barely a .500 team when he DIDN"T SCORE 40, and were 18-9 when he did..
so clearly Kobe was doing what was best for the team.[/QUOTE]
Them taking 27 shots would still win at least 45 games and a 7th seed.
As far as potential, Odom (underrated on that team) was the only other player who was in double digit FGA so we really don't know what other potential was there with such a low amount of FGA from the rest of the team.
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]what are you talking about, i haven't mentioned a single thing about post season play in this thread. I never mentioned Nash beating Dirk
Dirk got beat by Kobe on his home court in the regular season, and by that I don't mean the Lakers beat the Mavs, I mean Kobe beat the Mavs by outscoring them through 3 quarters by himself making the game a blowout
i'm not going to take the time to read the rest of your post if your reading comprehension isn't good enough to even respond properly to mine.[/QUOTE]My bad, I was thinking about a different year. :facepalm
Why should one game determine who the MVP is anyway?
You're confusing the best player with the MVP. No player on a 7th seeded team will be the MVP. Dirk led a 61 win team and also had a phenomenal regular season. If there was anyone who was robbed it was Dirk.
[QUOTE=AirBourne92]kobe shouldve won both of those[/QUOTE]
And you should have been aborted by your parents. Lebron averaged 31/7/7 on 49 FG% while playing on a 50 winning team.