Similar to Wade which stars of today will have the saddest decline

Rose?

And actually, Rose would be more BRoy.


I think Russ will end up declining alah Wade.

Lebron already has 11 years of putting up atleast 25 ppg, and has averaged 40 minutes per game over 12 years, playing 10 seasons of at least 75 regular season games.

As a comparison people constantly talk about Kobe incredible longevity, he has 12 years of putting up at least 25 ppg, has averaged 37 mins per game and has 9 seasons of at least 75 games in the regular season.

Both have 5 seasons of at least 20 games in the playoffs, Lebron averaging 43 mpg compared to Kobe 39 minutes.

Lebron superstar longevity > Kobe after this year. Of course he is due a decline.

[QUOTE=ballsohard247]

[SIZE="3"]LeBron could become a mid to low post scorer [/SIZE]

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Oh wait, you mean he's not already elite at that?

MJ was GOAT at everything: [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861649&postcount=3][u]low post scoring[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18][u]off-ball play[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11181251&postcount=44][u]mid-range shooting[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861764&postcount=7][u]mid-range repertoire[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353826][u]rim attack[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422917&postcount=172][u]drop-step ability[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/01/michael-jordan-point-guard-in-1989-posted-triple-double-10-of-11-games][u]point guard ability[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10699081&postcount=10][u]beating perimeter double teams[/u][/url].

Of course, thru the age of 30 (MJ's 1st three-peat), MJ shot 35.2% from 3-point range in the playoffs, and 40.7% in the Finals, compared to only 33.3% and 31.2% for Lebron.. Here's a comparison of all their stats [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=369391][u]thru 30 years old[/u][/url].


[QUOTE=ballsohard247]

Maybe Lebron will be more Magic than Mj in his twilight years.

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This implies that Lebron [I]currently[/I] plays like MJ.. Lebron plays nothing like MJ.. Lebron is a massive ball-dominator whose scoring is nowhere near GOAT (only 28 PPG in playoffs, 24 PPG in Finals), while MJ is the GOAT scorer [I]as an off-ball player[/I] (34 PPG playoffs, 34 PPG in Finals)


[quote=ballsohard247]

other players new to the team also contribute to Lebron's loss of efficacy.

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:rolleyes: ... Leave out the euphemisms.. Brass taxes: Lebron has a ton of help - he has the most supporting talent of anyone in the league, so he doesn't need to do as much, just like when he went to Miami.

Other than 2014 when Wade broke down, Lebron's teams have been the most stacked in the league for 5 years running.. Here's proof: for the last 5 seasons, his team is the only team in the league with 3 All-Stars (other than Love missing it this yr).
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[QUOTE=3ball]Oh wait, you mean he's not already elite at that?

MJ was GOAT at everything: [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861649&postcount=3][u]low post scoring[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18][u]off-ball play[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11181251&postcount=44][u]mid-range shooting[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861764&postcount=7][u]mid-range repertoire[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353826][u]rim attack[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422917&postcount=172][u]drop-step ability[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/01/michael-jordan-point-guard-in-1989-posted-triple-double-10-of-11-games][u]point guard ability[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10699081&postcount=10][u]beating perimeter double teams[/u][/url].



This implies that Lebron plays like MJ now.. Lebron plays nothing like MJ.. Lebron is a massive ball-dominator whose scoring is nowhere near GOAT (only 28 PPG in playoffs, 24 PPG in Finals), while MJ is the GOAT scorer [I]as an off-ball player[/I] (34 PPG playoffs, 34 PPG in Finals)



:rolleyes: ... Leave out the euphemisms.. Brass taxes: Lebron has a ton of help - he has the most supporting talent of anyone in the league, so he doesn't need to do as much, just like when he went to Miami.

Other than 2014 when Wade broke down, Lebron's teams have been the most stacked in the league for 5 years running.. Here's proof: for the last 5 seasons, his team is the only team in the league with 3 All-Stars (other than Love missing it this yr).
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no gifs :cry:

[QUOTE=3ball]
This implies that Lebron plays like MJ now.. Lebron plays nothing like MJ.. Lebron is a massive ball-dominator whose scoring is nowhere near GOAT (only 28 PPG in playoffs, 24 PPG in Finals), while MJ is the GOAT scorer [I]as an off-ball player[/I] (34 PPG playoffs, 34 PPG in Finals)
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MJ averaged 33 ppg in the playoffs, you don't round up 33.4 you little bitch

Lebron is going to surpass MJ eventually

Theres a reason why 3ball is so insecure.... he can sniff LBJ's greatness

:biggums:


[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861649&postcount=3][u]low post scoring[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18][u]off-ball play[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11181251&postcount=44][u]mid-range shooting[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861764&postcount=7][u]mid-range repertoire[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422917&postcount=172][u]drop-step ability[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353826][u]rim attack[/u][/url], [url=http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/01/michael-jordan-point-guard-in-1989-posted-triple-double-10-of-11-games][u]point guard ability[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10699081&postcount=10][u]beating perimeter double teams[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358589&page=8][u]destroying screen roll shading[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=355658&page=44][u]threading needles with tougher passes as required by no-spacing[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10906020&postcount=41][u]the MJ hop-step[/u][/url]


[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11021030&postcount=6][u]Other collections of footage[/u][/url] analyzing MJ vs. the best defenders and stars of his era..
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[QUOTE=3ball]:biggums:


[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861649&postcount=3][u]low post scoring[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18][u]off-ball play[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11181251&postcount=44][u]mid-range shooting[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861764&postcount=7][u]mid-range repertoire[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353826][u]rim attack[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422917&postcount=172][u]drop-step ability[/u][/url], [url=http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/01/michael-jordan-point-guard-in-1989-posted-triple-double-10-of-11-games][u]point guard ability[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10699081&postcount=10][u]beating perimeter double teams[/u][/url][/QUOTE]

son, I love jordan as much as any basketball fan, but to say he was goat at these things is just ridiculous (better pg than magic?, better low post than hakeem?, better drop step than shaq? I know you a great fan but :roll: )

Even if we discuss only about SGs he is only the goat in mid-range repertoire and rim attacking (debatable actually).

Others clearly:
rebounded better (fat lever)
played off-ball better (ray allen, reggie miller)
shot the 3 better (many)
played the high post better (kobe)
drop stepped better (carter)
played pg better (wade, penny, combo guards)
or beat double teams more (kobe, rule changes).


PS: I like em gifs in the posts, not referenced. Don't start half assing it :no:

[QUOTE=Cocaine80s]

Lebron is going to surpass MJ eventually

Theres a reason why 3ball is so insecure.... he can sniff LBJ's greatness

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nah, it's just really fun clowning lebeta and rubbing his stans faces in it

[QUOTE=3ball]nah, it's just really fun clowning lebeta and rubbing his stans faces in MJ's greatness[/QUOTE]
Lebron>>>

Jordan is old as fvck

get with the times bruh

[QUOTE=swagga]

played the high post better (kobe)
drop stepped better (carter)

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Kobe better than Jordan on the high post?.. Are you out of your mind?.. Jordan's 2nd three-peat was WON from the high post - Phil Jackson would slap you silly if he heard you say that.. Out of all the things you could have chosen to be wrong about, that was the worst one.

As for Vince Carter's drop-step - you made this up - pulled it out of your ass.. Point me to a play where Vince drop-stepped like those GIFs of [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422917&postcount=172][u]Jordan drop-stepping[/u][/url].

VINCE HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT OFF A DROP-STEP... So stop making things up.. It's like, you don't know about basketball and you're literally making up lies - you would never even SAY OR THINK drop-step if I didn't bring it up.

[QUOTE=swagga]

played pg better (wade, penny, combo guards)

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Did either of these guys get 10 triple-doubles in 11 games, or average 30/9/11 playing point guard?... Okay then - so Jordan demonstrated the better point guard ability - that's a fact, and it's not even close - neither Penny nor Wade has ever played PG that well.

Btw, MJ only played PG for that stretch because the regular PG was hurt.. Normally, Jordan shunned the ball-dominance because he'd learned more optimal ways to play at North Carolina.. That's actually how you know the point guard style isn't optimal for winning - if it was, Jordan would've played point guard full-time or been a more ball-dominant guard (also called a "combo" guard).

Harden. Once he loses his ability to consistently get to the rim, what's left of him? :lol

Do you ever quit 3ball?

Sad? Ain't too many 33 year old shooting guards in history who are as productive as Wade is today. **** outta here.