Wizards/Pistons games should be pretty fun now :rockon:
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Wizards/Pistons games should be pretty fun now :rockon:
[QUOTE=PejaNowitzki]Tough shit, don't sign a long term contract and then walking around with a sandy ****** a couple years into it because someone got more money than you did.
Go on a series of one year contracts if its that important to you to get paid more than everyone else.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. He wanted the security of a long-term deal - now you're locked in. And it's so unprofessional of him to single out someone by name. Look it's called capitalism/free market - Reggie is perfectly in his right to get the best possible deal he can.
Stop whining and be grateful to all those who came before you that built up this game and allowed you to be secure for life.
[QUOTE=tontoz]For most of his career Jordan wasn't even close to the highest paid player in the league and never said anything about it publicly.[/QUOTE]
Yes he did
[QUOTE=rmt]Exactly. He wanted the security of a long-term deal - now you're locked in. And it's so unprofessional of him to single out someone by name. Look it's called capitalism/free market - Reggie is perfectly in his right to get the best possible deal he can.
Stop whining and be grateful to all those who came before you that built up this game and allowed you to be secure for life.[/QUOTE]
This NBA is the opposite of a free market.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]This NBA is the opposite of a free market.[/QUOTE]
No it isnt.
The government doesnt intervene and coerce either side.
This is between labor and management. They negotiate terms between the two side and everyone has to live with it.
If the top players dont like having their salaries reigned in as a concession to the owners so that Eddy Curry and Baron Davis can get fully guaranteed deals to sit on their ass for half their contract, then the top players should move to dissolve the union. It hurts them more than it helps them.
Free market refers to a lack of government intervention. It doesnt mean labor gets whatever it asks for.
[QUOTE=Akrazotile]No it isnt.
The government doesnt intervene and coerce either side.
This is between labor and management. They negotiate terms between the two side and everyone has to live with it.
If the top players dont like having their salaries reigned in as a concession to the owners so that Eddy Curry and Baron Davis can get fully guaranteed deals to sit on their ass for half their contract, then the top players should move to dissolve the union. It hurts them more than it helps them.
Free market refers to a lack of government intervention. It doesnt mean labor gets whatever it asks for.[/QUOTE]
We don't have a true free market in America to begin with.
John Wall individually has no option but to play for the NBA or leave his home country if he decides to play basketball. The NBA has a monopoly on big time professional basketball in the United States ...
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]This NBA is the opposite of a free market.[/QUOTE]
So how does a player like Corey Joseph get $30/4 years? It restrains the top players who comparatively don't get their "value" but they make it up with endorsements (also capitalism/free market). If the players don't like it, then get other union representatives when you go to the bargaining table with the owners.
[QUOTE=rmt]So how does a player like Corey Joseph get $30/4 years? It restrains the top players who comparatively don't get their "value" but they make it up with endorsements (also capitalism/free market). If the players don't like it, then get other union representatives when you go to the bargaining table with the owners.[/QUOTE]
Nothing you said contradicts my statement.
When you have a a league full of nonprofits (NBA teams are non profit) who receive state funds to build arenas and don't pay taxes for long periods of time...then you don't have a free market.
Maybe that dumbass shouldn't have signed a long term deal. Maybe his agent can explain how the cap works before his next contract.
Reggie Jackson doesn't have his own shoe brining in that extra income
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]We don't have a true free market in America to begin with.
John Wall individually has no option but to play for the NBA or leave his home country if he decides to play basketball. The NBA has a monopoly on big time professional basketball in the United States ...[/QUOTE]
Well, the owners havent done anything to my knowledge to purposely block the creation of a competing basketball league. They simply run the league they own, it's wildly popular, and anyone who wishes to pursue basketball as a lucrative career in America can either try to start their own league or play in the NBA for however many millions they can negotiate within the window outlined by the agreement the union and owners bargained.
The top players only "support" the union bc they feel like they have to and they dont want their peers pissed off at them. Ideally players like Lebron and Durant SHOULD be making 60 million a year, and players like Jerome James SHOULD NOT be have a fully guaranteed contract getting passed around from team to team while he provides them nothing of value on the court.
But the union leverages the power of its best performers, as all unions do, to make sure the weakest performers are over-compensated. Thats how unions work, thats how socialism works.
People as usual are trying to spin this as a class and even a covert racial injustice those big meanie billionaire owners are perpetrating, but the reality is those black ball players make more than the vast majority of all americans, white, black, yellow, of brown. But they are bound by terms their labor reps agree to, and those terms shift some of Kobe and CP3's value over to Shannon Brown and Matt Bonner.
It's not owner collusion, it's not unfair business practice, it's collectivism. Thats just what happens.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]We don't have a [B]true free market in America[/B] to begin with.
John Wall individually has no option but to play for the NBA or leave his home country if he decides to play basketball. The NBA has a monopoly on big time professional basketball in the United States ...[/QUOTE]
Well, if the government would get out of the way, we would. Look at lasik surgery - no government intervention - lots of competition and prices WAY down.
Wall should thank his lucky stars everyday that there is the NBA and a means to earn millions of dollars for putting a ball through a hoop. Where else but in the US can someone rise from poverty to millionaire status by playing basketball? Cry me a river.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]Nothing you said contradicts my statement.
When you have a a [B]league full of nonprofits[/B] (NBA teams are non profit) who receive state funds to build arenas and don't pay taxes for long periods of time...then you don't have a free market.[/QUOTE]
So you think that Cuban and Holt and all the other owners are risking millions of dollars for the goodness of their heart and not for profit? I don't think it's state money that builds arenas but local (meaning city/county) bonds. They do that to attract business - restaurants, hotels, transportation, etc. that will benefit from the basketball games.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]Nothing you said contradicts my statement.
When you have a a league full of nonprofits [B][U](NBA teams are non profit)[/U][/B] who receive state funds to build arenas and [B][U]don't pay taxes for long periods of time.[/U][/B]..then you don't have a free market.[/QUOTE]
:wtf:
Show me exactly where you think it says that NBA teams are non profits.
The NBA as a league has [U]NEVER[/U] been tax exempt, let alone the teams. Even with the NFL, while the league was regarded as a non-profit(it gave it up this year), the teams that comprise the league and all its revenue paid taxes on their earnings.
Neither the NBA, MLB, the NHL or the NFL are tax exempt, nor are any of the teams, so can we put this bit of nonsensical bro-truth to bed please.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]We don't have a true free market in America to begin with.
John Wall individually has no option but to play for the NBA or leave his home country if he decides to play basketball. [B][U]The NBA has a monopoly on big time professional basketball in the United States ...[/QUOTE]
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Nothing to stop a competing league from developing if they think they can provide a better product. Vince McMahon tried that with the XFL in competition with the NFL, didn't work out for him but the opportunity was there.