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[QUOTE=97 bulls]You obviously don't knw what the Jodan rules were. If Jordan drove to the baskets he was to get put on his ass. The same held true for Pippen.[/QUOTE]
Pippen never faced the Jordan Rules.... Apparently, you have no idea how ridiculous that is.
And anyone can read the posts on the previous page and see how wrong you were about every single point, beginning with you being "positive" that Laimbeer didn't say Pippen sucked recently... When he said it this year..
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Where did he say he choked?????[/QUOTE]
"....I don't know if it was the pressure of the game. But as the pressure grew, the migraine grew."
"I wasn't able to answer the bell."
Really? :oldlol:
Like I said, worst choke job ever by a 2nd fiddle star in a game 7. 1-10, 2 points. He mentally checked out. What more can I guy say than the above to prove it? Pip did grow up starting in 1991 and MJ wins no rings without Pip but let's call the 1989-90 Pip in game 7 for what it is. He choked. The stats prove it and so do his comments.
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but let's call the 1989-90 Pip in game 7 for what it is. He choked. The stats prove it and so do his comments.
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Pippen didn't just choke in 1990 playoffs.
He was MIA in 1988 ECSF vs. Pistons (9 ppg on 45%) and 1989 ECF (10 ppg on 40%)
Jordan MADE this guy... Anyone who knows basketball knows this (i.e. Pippen, the Bulls team, Shaq, Laimbeer, isiah, Dumars, Mahorn, the entire Pistons team).
The Jordan Rules were pretty unique in that Detroit tried to funnel MJ to the middle of the court instead of the baseline. When trying to stop a great wing scorer, most defenses want to funnel guys to the baseline because their options are more limited than the middle of the court but MJ was so devastating on the baseline that Detroit decided to funnel him to the middle instead. MJ's ability to finish on either side of the basket made Detroit do that. No player has ever been close to MJ's ability to jump on one side of the basket and either finish on the same side or hang in the air long enough to easily finish on the other side of the basket. You also add in his explosive jumps off one or two feet along with the speed at which he was able to get to the basket and Detroit chose to give MJ the middle of the court instead, where MJ had more options.
[QUOTE=3ball]Pippen didn't just choke in 1990 playoffs.
He was MIA in 1988 ECSF vs. Pistons (9 ppg on 45%) and 1989 ECF (10 ppg on 40%)
Jordan MADE this guy... Anyone who knows basketball knows this (i.e. Pippen, the Bulls team, Shaq, Laimbeer, isiah, Dumars, Mahorn, the entire Pistons team).[/QUOTE]
Lol. MJ didn't make Pippen. Did MJ have a hand in showing him what being an alpha was all about along with some confidence? Of course. But Pip was a great player in his own right once he matured. Even the Pistons knew that once Pip played up to his potential, they couldn't beat Chicago. Like Aguirre said of Pip in the 1991 ECF, "Pippen grew up."
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[B]The Jordan Rules were pretty unique in that Detroit tried to funnel MJ to the middle of the court instead of the baseline.[/B] When trying to stop a great wing scorer, most defenses want to funnel guys to the baseline because their options are more limited than the middle of the court but MJ was so devastating on the baseline that Detroit decided to funnel him to the middle instead. MJ's ability to finish on either side of the basket made Detroit do that. No player has ever been close to MJ's ability to jump on one side of the basket and either finish on the same side or hang in the air long enough to easily finish on the other side of the basket. You also add in his explosive jumps off one or two feet along with the speed at which he was able to get to the basket and Detroit chose to give MJ the middle of the court instead, where MJ had more options.
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That's nice and everything, but the Jordan Rules were also every-possession double-teams, particularly in the 4th quarter - watch the last 7-8 minutes of ANY Bulls-Piston playoff game from 1989 or 1990... MJ was doubled literally every time he touched it (of course there are always rare exceptions, but 10+ consecutive double-teams is easy to find from the 4th quarter in ANY of those games).
People act like there was such thing as the "Shaq Rules"... Or the "Kobe Rules".... Or the "Lebron Rules".... There were never ANY of these things... Only the Jordan Rules... Btw, hack-a-Shaq is an excuse NOT to double team Shaq - being able to foul Shaq is one of the reasons he wasn't doubled as much as 80's MJ (in addition to never being a 1-man team like 80's MJ was).
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[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]"....I don't know if it was the pressure of the game. But as the pressure grew, the migraine grew."
"I wasn't able to answer the bell."
Really? :oldlol:
Like I said, worst choke job ever by a 2nd fiddle star in a game 7. 1-10, 2 points. He mentally checked out. What more can I guy say than the above to prove it? Pip did grow up starting in 1991 and MJ wins no rings without Pip but let's call the 1989-90 Pip in game 7 for what it is. He choked. The stats prove it and so do his comments.[/QUOTE]
Do you even know what a choke is????? A 90 percent shooter missing two FTs in the waining moments of a game is a choke. A guy having a bad game due to an injury isnt.
Let me ask you a question. Do you believe he really had a migrane or was he lying
Pistons game planned around stopping Pippen, stop trying to say otherwise
[QUOTE=3ball]That's nice and everything, but the Jordan Rules were also every-possession double-teams, particularly in the 4th quarter - watch the last 7-8 minutes of ANY Bulls-Piston playoff game from 1989 or 1990... MJ was doubled literally every time he touched it (of course there are always rare exceptions, but 10+ consecutive double-teams is easy to find from the 4th quarter in ANY of those games).[/QUOTE]
In simple terms, the Jordan Rules pretty much meant we send a whole lot of help against #23. No wing player has ever instilled such fear against opponents. And the Bad Boy Pistons are one of the best teams ever and they still worried about one guy that much.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Do you even know what a choke is????? A 90 percent shooter missing two FTs in the waining moments of a game is a choke. A guy having a bad game due to an injury isnt.
Let me ask you a question. Do you believe he really had a migrane or was he lying[/QUOTE]
I think Pip might've had some minor headache but he let the pressure affect him mentally, meaning he wasn't focused and on point. To me, that's a choke. And like I said, his stats and comments prove this.
When you say,"I don't know if it was the pressure of the game. But as the pressure grew, the migraine grew. Or, " I wasn't able to answer the bell." That tells me the guy wasn't mentally ready to play in that game and if you aren't mentally into a game, you have a game like 1-10 and 2 points. Pip played 42 minutes that game. If he was REALLY that affected by a real migraine, you can't play 42 minutes.
[QUOTE=dubeta]Pistons game planned around stopping Pippen, stop trying to say otherwise[/QUOTE]
This little bitch wasn't even born back then tryin to tell us what happened. :oldlol:
No, son, their game plan was to focus on MJ and make the other Bulls try to beat them. Every Piston back then has been on record in saying that.
[QUOTE=sportjames23]This little bitch wasn't even born back then tryin to tell us what happened. :oldlol:
No, son, their game plan was to focus on MJ and make the other Bulls try to beat them. Every Piston back then has been on record in saying that.[/QUOTE]
When did they gameplan against Jordan?
I don't think any team in the league specifically 'gameplanned' against Jordan pre 1991
They knew that good teams won, and not individual players
Heck, [I]do you believe the Celtics gameplanned against Jordan when he scored 63? :oldlol: [/I]
They allowed him to statpad and he got swept, multiple times
Jordan couldnt win with scoring over and over, that had already been proven previously
Once Pippen ran the offense, teams gameplanned to stop him, [I]because stopping him meant stopping the entire triangle, as the offense ran through him[/I]. Jordan? they allowed him to score, the "Jordan Rules" was fabricated media nonsense that tried to take attention from the key defensive issues.
[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]I think Pip might've had some minor headache but he let the pressure affect him mentally, meaning he wasn't focused and on point. To me, that's a choke. And like I said, his stats and comments prove this.[/QUOTE]
Lol. A minor headache????? Just come out and say that you think he lied.
His stats showed he had a bad game. Are you gonna say that a player having a bad game a choke? If thats the case then every athlete has choked.
[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]When you say,"I don't know if it was the pressure of the game. But as the pressure grew, the migraine grew. Or, " I wasn't able to answer the bell." That tells me the guy wasn't mentally ready to play in that game and if you aren't mentally into a game, you have a game like 1-10 and 2 points. Pip played 42 minutes that game. If he was REALLY that affected by a real migraine, you can't play 42 minutes.[/QUOTE]
He shouldnt have played. Again. As i stated. He went into an environment that would make a migraine worse. Brighg light and noise are the two worse things to endure with a migraine. And to act as if he shouldn't have had pressure is just utterly ridiculous. A game 7 vs a team that intentionally trying to hurt you an you have a migraine?????