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[QUOTE=Nash]How about finals 2012 when Miami had Bosh injured and Wade on one bum knee?[/QUOTE]
Not to mention if Harden would have played at even 60% of his capabilities that year in the finals the outcome could have been vastly different... As big as LeBron play in that series was a factor, Harden and Westbrooks lack of play was a huge factor as well.
My You Rest In Piss 3ball. You never play, or even touch basketball in your entire life. You are a F*cking Bum, and an imbecile.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]My You Rest In Piss 3ball. You never play, or even touch basketball in your entire life. You are a F*cking Bum, and an imbecile.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Lebron23]My You Rest In Piss 3ball. You never play, or even touch basketball in your entire life. You are a F*cking Bum, and an imbecile.[/QUOTE]
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[COLOR="blue"]In their respective primes, MJ averaged more assists in playoffs than Lebron, despite scoring 6.5 more ppg (on equal or better efficiency):[/COLOR]
[SIZE="2"][i]6-Year Prime - Per Game Playoffs:[/i][/SIZE]
[size="1"][url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game][I]JORDAN 1988-1993[/I][/url]: 34.6 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 5.1 dreb.. [I][COLOR="darkred"]6.6 apg[/color][/i].. 2.3 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 50.5 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 120 ORtg
[url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2014-sum:playoffs_per_game][I]LEBRON 2009-2014[/I][/url]: 28.1 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.1 dreb.. [I][COLOR="darkred"]6.1 apg[/COLOR][/I].. 1.8 stl.. 0.9 bpg.. 50.4 fg.. 59.9 ts.. 118 ORtg
[SIZE="2"][i]6-Year Prime - Per 100 Possessions Playoffs:[/i][/SIZE]
[url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_per_poss][I]JORDAN 1988-1993[/I][/url]: 44.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. [I][COLOR="darkred"]8.5 ast[/COLOR][/I].. 3.0 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.5 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 120 ORtg
[url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2014-sum:playoffs_per_poss][I]LEBRON 2009-2014[/I][/url]: 37.1 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. [I][COLOR="darkred"]8.1 ast[/COLOR][/I].. 2.3 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.4 fg.. 59.9 ts.. 118 ORtg[/size]
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[QUOTE=Lebron23]
[img]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0625/pg2_g_oneal_hardaway_412.jpg[/img]
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[I]We're only considering seasons where MJ was with the team for a full season - seasons where he was playing another sport altogether for most of the year don't count.
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And the only reason the Magic won was due to Jordan's rust, as evidenced by his ridiculously low PER of 22.1 (same as his Wizard days), 109 ORtg (11 points less than his career average), and 0.167 ws/48 (barely half his career average of 0.274).
However, the most obvious evidence of Jordan's rust was his uncharacteristic TO's in the clutch.. MJ turned the ball over twice on final possessions in the Orlando series - he's only done that 1 other time in his entire career!!!.. Anyone who watched him in the clutch vs. Orlando realized he wasn't the same player.. Even his normal confident swagger was missing.. You were kind of scratching your head like, "is that the same guy?"
[QUOTE=3ball][I]We're only considering seasons where MJ was with the team for a full season - seasons where he was playing another sport altogether for most of the year don't count.
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And the only reason the Magic won was due to Jordan's rust, as evidenced by his ridiculously low PER of 22.1 (same as his Wizard days), 109 ORtg (11 points less than his career average), and 0.167 ws/48 (barely half his career average of 0.274).
However, the most obvious evidence of Jordan's rust was his uncharacteristic TO's in the clutch.. MJ turned the ball over twice on final possessions in the Orlando series - he's only done that 1 other time in his entire career!!!.. Anyone who watched him in the clutch vs. Orlando realized he wasn't the same player.. Even his normal confident swagger was missing.. You were kind of scratching your head like, "is that the same guy?"[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a monster excuse. Doesn't count....:facepalm this guy.
[QUOTE=dhsilv]He really is good at turning MJ fans into MJ haters.[/QUOTE]
for real. i'm losing more and more love for mj with every insecure post this **** makes.
[QUOTE=AirBonner]This. Bulls won 55 games without MJ. This is why he is overhyped. MJ is simply the result of perfect circumstances (goat coach, goat teammates ect.)[/QUOTE]
yet young bucks like these seem to put me back on an even keel.
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[QUOTE=tmacattack33]
[B][COLOR="Red"]Okay...so all that means he wasn't that good as an underdog.
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[B][size="3"][COLOR="Blue"]Bigger Overachievement[/COLOR]: Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007[/size][/B]
Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.
1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)
2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)
Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)
[size="3"]NO COMPARISON[/size]
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[quote=tmacattack33]
Okay...so all that means he wasn't that good as an underdog.
Frontrunner.
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Posts like this show you're completely clueless about Jordan's career - and you guys wonder why I post about Jordan.. I have to inform you of the facts.
Jordan's entire 1989 playoff run was achieved as severe underdogs - they were a 47-win, 6-seed, that defeated the heavily-favored 57-win, 3-all-star Cavs (plus 20 ppg, athletic Ron Harper) and their 2nd-ranked defense - remember "the shot"?... That was MJ being the GOAT underdog.
[I]All three media members travelling with the team predicted the Bulls would lose to the Cavs - here was Jordan's response to that:[/I]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=17m37s[/url]
That's GOAT - show me where your sorry hero Lebeta does anything like that, and then backs it up with "the shot", shown above.
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[SIZE="2"][U]Playoffs Thru Age 30:[/U][/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"][B]Jordan[/B]: 34.7 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 5.1 dreb.. 6.6 apg.. 3.3 tov.. 2.3 spg.. 1.0 blk.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ORtg
[B]Lebron[/B]: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg..[/SIZE]
[SIZE="2"][U]Finals Thru Age 30:[/U][/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"][B]Jordan[/B]: 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 3.4 tov.. 2.0 spg.. 0.76 bpg.. 52.6 fg
[B]Lebron[/B]: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg[/SIZE]
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[QUOTE=3ball][B][size="3"][COLOR="Blue"]Bigger Overachievement[/COLOR]: Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007[/size][/B]
Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.
1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)
2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)
Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)
[size="3"]NO COMPARISON[/size]
[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/YbKRJE9FoVLe8/giphy.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Can you also list the other options for the teams? 2nd/3rd/4th options. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Sportal]Can you also list the other options for the teams? 2nd/3rd/4th options. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
In the playoffs
'89 Bulls
Pippen: 13/8/4 on 46%
Grant: 11/10/2 on 52%
Cartwright: 12/7/1 on 49%
'07 Cavs
Hughes: 11/4/2 on 35%
Big Z: 13/10/1 on 49%
Gooden: 11/8/1 on 49%
Fascinating thread, as usual, it has given me more information to make my diagnosis. My research on 3ball has led me to believe he suffers from autism. Not to worry, mein knabbe, we can work on ways to get at the root of your problem. I sense a lack of a strong father figure, hence the need to latch onto this mythical "MJ".