Curry got the 2nd highest per to play with him, LeBron joined the 2nd AND 4th highest

[QUOTE=warriorfan]I'm sorry that Chris Bosh didn't win enough playoff games with Jose Calderon and Andre Bargnani for your standards...

You are probably one of those asshole trolls who thinks Jordan wasn't a great player when he had early playoff struggles when he was on shitty teams as well

Chris Bosh scored 24 points per 36 minutes on 52 percent FG, 59% TS, that is elite scoring with elite efficiency

Elite rebounding at 11 boards per game

Great spacing the floor with a fantastic jumper

Athletic defender

Chris Bosh was an elite player in the league in 2010, stop trying to use his poor Toronto team against him[/QUOTE]
He was a great player, I never denied that. But he wasn't top 5 and using PER only would be saying that Kobe wasn't a top 5 player in 2010, despite winning a ring. It just shows how many holes there are in your argument. PER would have Kobe at 14th

But LeBron and Bosh were going to a team that lost in the first round of the playoffs in the East. KD is going to a team that just won 73 games in the West. It's not even remotely comparable. what KD did is worse and really only Warrior fans disagree with it at this point.

Kobe can't be accurately reflected by PER because he was such a unique player

His not giving a damn attitude was to the extreme where he would take every last second shot, every tough shot when the shot clock was coming down, it has been coined as the "mamba mentality"

He would be the one to bail the Lakers out of the tough situations, always

This would lower his FG percentages and hurt his advanced stats

Now adays most players wont even chuck up a shot at the end of the Quarter because they are too scared to preserve their FG stats, so much that they would rather preserve their stats over helping their team winning

[i]kobe was the opposite, he sacrificed his stats for winning[/i]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Kobe can't be accurately reflected by PER because he was such a unique player
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:roll: so your argument only works when its in your favor
GTFO with that childish nonsense

[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth]:roll: so your argument only works when its in your favor
GTFO with that childish nonsense[/QUOTE]

No, you are being unreasonable

You are picking extreme circumstances (Kobe Bryant) and trying to apply it to the entire field

Kobe is Kobe, he has a unique playstyle that is one of his own

The only two examples you guys have presented in trying to sandbag the accuracy of PER is Boban and Kobe, which have both been thoroughly explained

I suggest you do some research on outliers in relation to statistical results and analysis and how it effects (or not effects I should say) the overall accuracy of the study

Boban 3rd highest PER.
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[QUOTE=warriorfan]Kobe can't be accurately reflected by PER because he was such a unique player
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Warriorfan exposes himself as a dumbass (not that he hasnt earlier)




Kobe can't be reflecte cause of PER, but Bosh is accurately reflected by PER even though he got his stats at the expense of team success??

[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Boban 3rd highest PER.
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Please refer to my post on page 1 explaining the inaccuracies of PER when used on players with drastically lower minutes

[QUOTE=warriorfan]No, you are being unreasonable

You are picking extreme circumstances (Kobe Bryant) and trying to apply it to the entire field

Kobe is Kobe, he has a unique playstyle that is one of his own

The only two examples you guys have presented in trying to sandbag the accuracy of PER is Boban and Kobe, which have both been thoroughly explained

I suggest you do some research on outliers in relation to statistical results and analysis and how it effects (or not effects I should say) the overall accuracy of the study[/QUOTE]
You are picking unreasonable circumstance too like only using PER to try to act like LeBron/Wade/Bosh is worse than an MVP joining a 73 win team who just defeated him. PER isn't the end all. It would put Wilt as the GOAT, and everyone knows MJ is.

The vast majority of the world sees it as the most cowardly move a superstar could make and you're just trying to use mental gymnastics to try and diminish it, the same way you've been trying to diminish Curry's supporting cast. No matter which way you slice it, LeBron/Bosh joining a first round exit team will never be seen in the same vain as KD joining a 73 win team who just won a championship after getting knocked out by them. There are clear differences here and they are really not even worth a comparison.

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]:roll: :roll: :roll:


Warriorfan exposes himself as a dumbass (not that he hasnt earlier)




Kobe can't be reflecte cause of PER, but Bosh is accurately reflected by PER even though he got his stats at the expense of team success??[/QUOTE]

It does not work like that

Kobe's style of play lowers his PER compared to the rest of the players of the league (Kobe plays unlike any player in the league)

Bosh's style of play is more in line with the rest of the players in the league

Kobe is the outlier, not Bosh

Hell, just look at the all NBA selections. Bosh wasn't all NBA in 2009-10. Curry, Green and Thompson are All-NBA and KD just joined that :roll:

[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth]You are picking unreasonable circumstance too like only using PER to try to act like LeBron/Wade/Bosh is worse than an MVP joining a 73 win team who just defeated him. PER isn't the end all. It would put Wilt as the GOAT, and everyone knows MJ is.

The vast majority of the world sees it as the most cowardly move a superstar could make and you're just trying to use mental gymnastics to try and diminish it, the same way you've been trying to diminish Curry's supporting cast. No matter which way you slice it, LeBron/Bosh joining a first round exit team will never be seen in the same vain as KD joining a 73 win team who just won a championship after getting knocked out by them. There are clear differences here and they are really not even worth a comparison.[/QUOTE]

How is this the most cowardly move a superstar could make?

LeBron did the same thing as Kevin Durant. He left his hometown team in hopes of increasing his chance at a championship. Using records is pretty disingenuous because Durant joined a good team, while LeBron joined a slightly worse team, [i]but LeBron also brought a top 4 player in the league with him.[/i]

Using the Heat's 2010 record and saying LeBron joined that isn't reflective of what actually happened, he joined a mediocre 2010 heat team but he didn't bring just himself, he brought another elite top 4 player WITH him.

KD joined a better team, but only brought himself.

[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth]Hell, just look at the all NBA selections. Bosh wasn't all NBA in 2009-10. Curry, Green and Thompson are All-NBA and KD just joined that :roll:[/QUOTE]

That's how you just know Bosh wasn't even CLOSE to top 5 in 2010

Missed the playoffs, in the East no less
Didn't make an All-NBA Team
Didn't finish top 10 in MVP voting
Didn't league the lead in any statistical category

Absolutely no argument for top 5. None

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]That's how you just know Bosh wasn't even CLOSE to top 5 in 2010

Missed the playoffs, in the East no less
Didn't make an All-NBA Team
Didn't finish top 10 in MVP voting
Didn't league the lead in any statistical category

Absolutely no argument for top 5. None[/QUOTE]

Wow, you mindless ESPN drones and your media votes :lol

Media voting has always been awful and still is, but it has slightly improved in the past years

Chris Bosh always got underrepresented in All NBA because 1 he was extremely young, and 2 played for a poor small market team in Toronto

[QUOTE=warriorfan]How is this the most cowardly move a superstar could make?

LeBron did the same thing as Kevin Durant. He left his hometown team in hopes of increasing his chance at a championship. Using records is pretty disingenuous because Durant joined a good team, while LeBron joined a slightly worse team, [i]but LeBron also brought a top 4 player in the league with him.[/i]

Using the Heat's 2010 record and saying LeBron joined that isn't reflective of what actually happened, he joined a mediocre 2010 heat team but he didn't bring just himself, he brought another elite top 4 player WITH him.

KD joined a better team, but only brought himself.[/QUOTE]
Lol no. This has been discussed too much to have this argument again. Joining a team that just elminated you and went to two straight finals is different than building a new team after the Heat just got elminated from the first round. The fact that you think this is even remotely comparable shows that you're not worth conversing with on the subject.

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Wow, you mindless ESPN drones and your media votes :lol

Media voting has always been awful and still is, but it has slightly improved in the past years

Chris Bosh always got underrepresented in All NBA because 1 he was extremely young, and 2 played for a poor small market team in Toronto[/QUOTE]
Extremely young? He was 26..

He wasn't a top 5 player in the league. Give it up.

He was borderline top 10