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[B]Wilt Chamberlain's Choking Resume[/B]



[B]1973 NBA Finals[/B]
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

[B]1970 NBA Finals[/B]
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

[B]1969 NBA Finals[/B]
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

[B]1968 Division Finals[/B]
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

[B]1966 Division Finals[/B]
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

[B]1965 Division Finals[/B]
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

[B]1964 NBA Finals[/B]
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

[B]1963 Regular season[/B]
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.

[B]1962 Division Finals[/B]
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

[b]1961 Division Semifinals[/b]
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

[B]1960 Division Finals[/B]
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 35-65 (53.8%)

Laz, you're trying to pick out individual games and single plays to show that LeBron is a choker, meanwhile [B][SIZE="4"]Wilt's ENTIRE Career is one big choke[/SIZE] :roll: :banana: [/B]

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]I have no problem saying Curry's season was better but lmao at you using making the Finals as an argument, especially when you factor in Curry missed half the western playoffs. You swap rosters I don't know if Curry even makes the playoffs on the '09 Heat[/QUOTE]


I wasn't trying to. It was the other poster that asked about what he did in the Finals.

2016 Curry > 2009 Wade, and it's not even close really.

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]imo you need alien DNA for this

[IMG]https://i.redd.it/fk7weaq0k1bx.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

LMAO thought that was real for a second, but then I saw the pixels

I was gonna say if ESPN actually showed that, biggest troll image :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]I wasn't trying to. It was the other poster that asked about what he did in the Finals.

2016 Curry > 2009 Wade, and it's not even close really.[/QUOTE]

Well I disagree. Individually, I don't think Curry's season last year was THAT much better than the likes of '03 McGrady, '06 Kobe, '09 Wade, '14 Durant etc.

[QUOTE=TheWinningFam]Lol @ arbitrarily cutting it off at a .70 to fit an agenda.[/QUOTE]

This times a million

playoff aliens .. they're real :roll:

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]Laz, you're trying to pick out individual games and single plays to show that LeBron is a choker, meanwhile [B][SIZE="4"]Wilt's ENTIRE Career is one big choke[/SIZE] :roll: :banana: [/B][/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I have said it before, but LeChoke was TWO separate shots away, by two different teammates, from being "1-7." Meanwhile, Wilt was TWO separate turnovers away, by two different teammates, from being "4-6."

Furthermore...

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain[/url]

[QUOTE]In the post-season, the Lakers swept the Chicago Bulls,[93] then went on to face the Milwaukee Bucks of young superstar center and regular-season MVP Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (formerly Lew Alcindor). The matchup between Chamberlain and Abdul-Jabbar was hailed by LIFE magazine as the greatest matchup in all of sports. Chamberlain would help lead the Lakers past Abdul-Jabbar and the Bucks in six games.[93] Particularly, Chamberlain was lauded for his performance in Game 6, which the Lakers won 104

:roll: :roll:

The stan of the roided mental midget choker still melting. Calm down, Lozerus. No matter how much you cherry pick of delude yourself, you can't change FACTS.

3" WiltCHOKE getting exposed :roll: :banana:

[QUOTE=aj1987]:roll: :roll:

The stan of the roided mental midget choker still melting. Calm down, Lozerus. No matter how much you cherry pick of delude yourself, you can't change FACTS.[/QUOTE]

FACTS:

LePuke in his '16 Finals. 29.7 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 8.9 apg, 2.3 bpg, and on a .562 TS% (in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot a .542 TS%.)

Was a bystander padding his stats at the end of losses until he cried to the NBA to suspend Draymond before game five. The same Green who was, BY FAR, the best player on the court in game seven. Not even close. And then, the Warriors played games six and seven with an injured "LeChoke Stopper" Andre Iguadala, and without their rim protector, Andrew Bogut.

And in game seven, LeFlop went 9-24 from the field, and then in the last four minutes, he couldn't hit a shot to save his life, going 0-4. Of course, it was a TEAMMATE who hit the clinching shot, as well as a TEAMMATE who had the biggest stop of the game. So, LeShrink was ONE SHOT AWAY from a loss. LePuke shot an eFG% of .396, in a game in which the two teams combined to shoot .458. And LeClank's TS% was .475, in a game in which the two teams combined to shoot a TS% of .501.

BTW, who was the best player on the floor in that game seven? None other than Draymond Green, who led both teams in scoring with 32 points; led both teams in rebounds with 15; was right behind LeFlop in assists with 9; shot a game high .733 from the floor; had a game high .933 eFG%; and had a game high TS% of .955.


Let's compare that with Wilt's '65 FINALS, shall we?

30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, 3.3 apg, 7.0 bpg, .555 FG% in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot .413, and a .575 TS% in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot .465. His TRB% was 25.1...(221 rebounds out of the 882 avaiable.) So, put a '65 Chamberlain into the '16 Finals, and he would have averaged 21.0 rpg. Oh, and Wilt led BOTH teams in MPG, PPG, RPG, BPG, TRB%, FG%, and TS%. And most of those by HUGE margins.

Here was Wilt, carrying a 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss, against a 62-18 Celtics team at the peak of their dynasty, and with a peak defensive Russell.

In that game seven, Chamberlain scored Philly's last eight points, including 2-2 from the line with 36 secs remaining, and a dunk over Russell with five secs left. Then, the "clutch" Russell hit a guidewire with his inbounds pass, giving the ball back to the Sixers and under their hoop. Alas, Hal Greer's inbounds pass was intercepted by Hondo, and that was the game.

For the game, Chamberlain scored 30 points on an .800 FG%, and with a .724 TS%...with 32 rebounds. How about his teammates in that one point loss? A collective 28-75 from the floor, for a combined .373 FG%.

So, while [B]LeTiny had a teammate hit the series winning shot[/B], [B]Chamberlain had a teammate commit the series losing turnover[/B].

Now, before a "basher" claims that Wilt's '65 series was NOT in the Finals...the same Celtic team that eked out a one point game seven win over Wilt's Sixers...went on to annihilate the Lakers in the Finals, 4-1, which included series wins of 142-110; 126-105; and the clinching margin of 129-96.

So, the next time someone claims that Wilt played in six Finals...the REALITY was, the Finals in the decade of the 60's involved the Boston Celtics, and Chamberlain's teams. Whether they came in the Finals, or the EDF's.

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]Laz, you're trying to pick out individual games and single plays to show that LeBron is a choker, meanwhile [B][SIZE="4"]Wilt's ENTIRE Career is one big choke[/SIZE] :roll: :banana: [/B][/QUOTE]
hahahahaha
[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Big164]hahahahaha
[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

While Chamberlain was outplaying, or downright destroying HOFers like Unseld, Reed, Hayes, Lanier, Cowens, Gilmore, McAdoo, Thurmond, Russell, and Kareem...

LeShrinkage couldn't score a point against the 5-10 Barea; and was being outplayed by the likes of Jason Terry, Kawahi Leonard, and Andre Iguodala.

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]FACTS:[/QUOTE]
These are.

'13 - Miami won 78.8% of their games against EC teams and 83.3% against WC teams.

LeBron against EC teams - 26/8/7 on 56/37/76
LeBron against WC teams - 28/8/7 on 57/45/74

Pace - The Warriors played at a pace of 115 in '64. The Celtics were at 125. The '15 Cavs were playing at a pace of 92. The pace in the Finals was 91. Also, Ilt Chokerlain had a TS% of 50% in the Finals. ~3% higher than LeBron. I would also expect his efficiency to go down, the more his volume increases.

'14 - Yeah, they probably wouldn't have made the Finals, but you can't just displace teams like that, you utter retard. The WC has the vast majority of All-NBA and All-Def players. You can be sure AF, that LeBron would've had a better team, if he was in the WC.

'15 - The 52 win Cavs took the 67 win Warriors to 6 games and were up 2-1. They were extremely close to being up 3-0, if Kyrie wasn't injured. The Warriors won game 1 in OT. This was in a series, in which the Cavs were missing their 2nd and 3rd best players. IIRC, Shump was playing with a torn groin and a shoulder injury. Iggy won FMVP for holding LeBron to 36/13/9 on 40%. LeBron damn near won the FMVP and the Cavs didn't even win the Finals.

'16 - Cavs best the best team ever. That's a fact. Iggy "held" LeBron to 41/16/7/3/3 on 61% TS in G5. LeBron also led BOTH teams in EVERY major statistical category.

'11 - The '11 Heat do not make the Finals in the WC? Are you on crack?

End of the day, LeBron has more rings and FMVP's than Ilt. 27/10/7/2/1 on 57% TS in the Finals. Ilt? 18 PPG. Lets not compare Chokerlain ever again to LeBron.

BTW, Wade passed up Ilt Chokerlain in total PO points in FEWER games played. As I said, Wilt should be compared to players ~15-20 like Wade, Dirk, etc..

Laz, you're way out of your depth here. You're basing your arguments on boxscores, since you've never actually seen Ilt play. Even those boxscores don't support your arguments. I'm pretty sure that you've never actually seen game of basketball as well. Kinda hard to evaluate players, when you don't even watch the games.

Again, the Heat had a significantly better record against WC teams than the EC teams. It's a FACT. As a matter of fact, LeBron always performs better against WC teams than EC teams, statistically. Usually has a better record against them as well.


Heat winning "55" is not "reality". That's just your retarded opinion.

[B]FACT: Miami was on a 68 win pace against WC team.[/B]

That literally is a fact and a reality. Not Miami would've won 55. Learn english, dude.


I know that you're in denial, about Ilt playing in a garbage ass era and choking his ass off, but:

Pace
Pace Factor (available since the 1973-74 season in the NBA); the formula is 48 * ((Tm Poss + Opp Poss) / (2 * (Tm MP / 5))). Pace factor is an estimate of the number of possessions per 48 minutes by a team. (Note: 40 minutes is used in the calculation for the WNBA.)


Christ! I'm not even going to touch this. If you're just adding percentages and numbers you pulled out of your ass, lets increase LeBron's numbers by about 60% to factor in pace and the ridiculously hilarious level of play from that shitty era.


Once again, Chokerlain played in a garbage ass era, and you can safely increase LeBron's numbers by 60% to translate to that trash era. In short, LeBron would be putting up 50/20/15 on over 60%, if he played back then.

You still fail to comprehend the FACT that Chokerlain did it on significantly lower volume as well.


'14 - Yeah, they probably wouldn't have made the Finals, but you can't just displace teams like that, you utter retard. The WC has the vast majority of All-NBA and All-Def players. You can be sure AF, that LeBron would've had a better team, if he was in the WC.

Zero impact is what you get from Chokerlain. The two times he won, he was a bottom feeding scrub of a scorer. Overrated scoring "impact". Whenever he tried to score, his teams failed miserably.


Again, you retard. You can't just displace teams. The Warriors, Spurs, etc. have multiple All-NBA/All-Def level players. The EC teams have significantly fewer ones. The WC teams just have better talent. If LeBron was in the WC, he'd be one a significantly better team as well. How hard is that concept to understand?

Then again, once the Cavs made the Finals, they nearly took out the 67 win Warriors. They had a shot to go up 3-0 and were actually up 2-1. This is without LeBron's #2 and #3. Now imagine Chokerlain playing without West and Baylor on the Lakers. Dude wouldn't even make the PO's.


2x MVP, steals leader, and All-NBA First

Runner-up DPOY, All-Def First, and All-NBA second

All-NBA Third

Runner-up 6th MOY and reigning FMVP

COY

The deepest bench in the league as well.


It's comical how you actually do not watch the games, but decide to comment on them. LeBron put up 32/11/6/2/1 on 54% in G4. But yeah, he was a "passive bystander" though. Watch the games before you comment on them. I know it's kinda hard as you've never actually seen a game before, but trust me. It's more fun can going over endless pages of numbers.



Lets seen. LeBron's shot wasn't falling and Kyrie wasn't taking any 3's either. LeBron did what he though was best. Drive and hope for a foul. That was the game when the Cavs complained about LeBron not getting FT's at ALL.

"He never gets calls," Tyronn Lue said of James during his postgame press conference. "(He) attacks the paint every single play. He doesn't get a fair whistle all the time because of his strength and because of his power and guys bounce off of him. But those are still fouls, and we weren't able to get them. But we've got to play through officiating."

[url]http://www.sportal.co.nz/nba/game-4-nba-finals-lebron-james-fouls-free-throws-tyronn-lue-richard-jefferson/p7yl8kbwh9vj12nc8g7gbfpbj[/url]

Of course, you would know that if you actually follow the sport, instead of jerking off to a stat padding career loser like Ilt Chokerlain.


He wasn't suspended for that, moron. He was given a flagrant foul, which was deserved.

Jeff should just put this in a new thread and sticky it.

Green was suspended because he accrued more than the permissible amount of flagrant foul points. It was an AUTOMATIC suspension.


Games 3-5, LeBron put up 33/13/7/2/3 on 53%. He shot 54%, 52%, and 53% during that stretch. Again, those are from games 3-5. Not even including G6, in which Iggy played 30 minutes and LeBron put up 41/16/7/3/3 on 61% TS or G7 in which Iggy played 40 minutes and LeBron put up 27/11/11/2/3.

If we include those games, LeBron averaged 33/12/9/2/3 on 52% after playing terribly in the first two games.

Game 7 - LeBron scored 11 of the Cavs' 18 points in the 4th Q. LeBron scored in one quarter nearly what Wilt averages for his CAREER in the Finals. After GSW went up 4, LeBron scored 6 straight points to keep the Cavs in the game. Scored 8 straight points at one point. Singlehandedly kept the Cavs in the game.

The four minute stretch? Neither team scored a SINGLE point until Kyrie made that incredible 3. LeBron also had the block and the game and title sealing FT in the end.

Love how you forget that Love was playing injured. As were Irving and Shumpert. Yeah, lets ignore that though. Only when it comes to Chokerlain failing on a constant basis, we bring up stuff like that. It's quite hilarious that you think Chokerlain is the GOAT, but blame the '69 loss on his freaking coach. :oldlol:


They lost in the Finals, you drooling retard. They didn't lose in the conference Finals. LeBron choked in the Finals (just like your lover), not the conference Finals. Even with that choke, Miami were one missed 3 away from taking a 3-0 lead. You would know that, if you watched the games, instead of going over numbers for days together.

BTW, Wade had a typical Chokerlain Finals game in G6.


I'm not doing this, as it's been done several times before. Look up the DRtg's and the ranks of the teams LeBron played against. Not really that hard.

Fact #1 - Chokerlain played in an absolutely shitty and garbage ass era
Fact #2 - Chokerlain played for his stats and didn't give a shit about winning
Fact #3 - Chokerlain choked HARD and this can be evidenced by his significant drop off in production

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5


Lets look at a couple of physical behemoths from the '60's:

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[IMG]https://s10.postimg.org/5mpgjdcjt/140916203240_20140916_gt_elgin_baylor_80th_birth.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://s10.postimg.org/uu0cjmfnt/Bob_Pettit_1962.jpg[/IMG]

Stick figures? Yep.


[B]1973 NBA Finals[/B]
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

[B]1970 NBA Finals[/B]
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

[B]1969 NBA Finals[/B]
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

[B]1968 Division Finals[/B]
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

[B]1966 Division Finals[/B]
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

[B]1965 Division Finals[/B]
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

[B]1964 NBA Finals[/B]
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

[B]1963 Regular season[/B]
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.

[B]1962 Division Finals[/B]
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

[b]1961 Division Semifinals[/b]
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

[B]1960 Division Finals[/B]
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 35-65 (53.8%)