Wasn't the Greek League weak though back in the 80s? And Galis teams could never win a Euroleague Title.
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Wasn't the Greek League weak though back in the 80s? And Galis teams could never win a Euroleague Title.
[QUOTE=Nikos1982]Wasn't the Greek League weak though back in the 80s? And Galis teams could never win a Euroleague Title.[/QUOTE]
No. It was not weak in the late 80s. Before that it was but it was decent by the late 80s.
Italy
Soviet Union
Yugoslavia
Greece
those were the good leagues in that era
In the 1992 to about 2002 era the Greek League was clearly the best in Europe. So even around 1992-1993 it was the best league and Galis in his mid 30s was still dominating the league.
[QUOTE=Nikos1982]Which year was this?
[url]http://www.geocities.com/nikosgalis/pao1.html[/url]
1992-1993: 21.8ppg
1993-1994: 18,8ppg
In 1993-1994 season, he was once again the tournaments top scorer, averaging 23,9 ppg and also was first in passing, dishing 5,9 assists per game. We led Panathinaikos in in the final four, that was meant to be his last one, where he scored 8 points against Olympiacos in a bad night for him and his team, and 30 points against Barcelona, in the third place game. Galis' stats in Europe with Panathinaikos: 1993-1994: Games 19, Points 454, ppg 23,9[/QUOTE]
You are right. It was his last season with Aris I am talking about. But still the point stands he was averaging over 30 when the Greek League was the best in Europe and he was in his mid 30s.
For comparison in 1994 19 per game at age 37 for Galis with PAO in the Greek League. Dominique Wilkins at age 36 averaged on the same team 18 per game in A1. Byron Scott on the same team at age 37 averaged 16 a game in A1.
I'm not sure on those numbers exactly but that's what I remember. All 3 of those seasons it was in the time when A1 was the premiere European domestic league. Galis was on another level as a scorer. The only guy comparable was Jordan. NBA fans are just totally ignorant on him, actually most fans outside Greece are. Europeans still try to argue Drazen was better but Galis was the best player of all times in Europe bar none.
He just played in Greece and really got zero exposure.
Nick Galis scoring stats
[B]Greek A1 League[/B]
1980 28.5
1981 43.9
1982 37.6
1983 36.2
1984 41.2
1985 37.1
1986 39.3
1987 39.7
1988 37.4
1989 37.7
1990 38.8
1991 35.3
1992 32.1
1993 23.6
1994 19.0
1995 12.8
[B]Greek Cup career[/B]
35.2 points per game
[B]European cup[/B]
1992 32.3
1993
1994 23.9
[B]European cup career[/B]
34.2 points per game
[B]Greek National Team [/B]
1983 FIBA European Championship 33.0
1986 FIBA World Championship 33.7
1987 FIBA European Championship 37.0
1989 FIBA European Championship 35.6
1991 FIBA European Championship 32.4
I can't find the other stats for the Euroleague. But he led the Euroleague in scoring 7 straight years.
In all of the listings above he was the leading scorer of the tournament. Yeah today if you lead the World Championship or European Championship in scoring NBA teams are all over you, not to mention leading the Euroleague in scoring 7 times in a row.
He is the all time leading scorer in the FIBA World Championship, the FIBA European Championship, the Euroleague, the Greek League, and the Greek Cup.
Oh and for those NBA fans that say he could not play in the NBA he scored 50 points against Jordan. Jordan was guarding him and Galis dropped 50 points on him.
Yeah I know of those stats at the individual level, but I wanted to know what his teams were scoring back then. Cause at Seton Hall this guy scored 27.5ppg and his team was only getting 77.4PPG, and he was shooting 57% from the field, while the rest of his team was a combined 43% from the floor.
Thats an offensive scoring machine.
Galis must have been a better scorer then even a prime Byron Scott. Not that Byron was a slouch, but I can't imagine him as being as creative as Galis. Dominique in his prime is another story. Although he wasn't super creative off the dribble, he still was a dominant scorer who could run an offense. Galis seems like he had those characteristics.
Someone posted on the Seton Hall Forum that he outplayed Tiny Archibald in the 1979 Training Camp -- but a day before the cuts fractured his ankle. And the rest was history. Supposedly the Nets offered him a tryout, but he refused.
I'm thinking he could have been an excellent scorer with decent assist and playmaking skills. Maybe he could have been a better scoring version of Vinnie Johnson or something like an Isiah Thomas?
He had to have been an above average scoring talent even by NBA standards.
[QUOTE=Nikos1982]Yeah I know of those stats at the individual level, but I wanted to know what his teams were scoring back then. Cause at Seton Hall this guy scored 27.5ppg and his team was only getting 77.4PPG, and he was shooting 57% from the field, while the rest of his team was a combined 43% from the floor.
Thats an offensive scoring machine.
Galis must have been a better scorer then even a prime Byron Scott. Not that Byron was a slouch, but I can't imagine him as being as creative as Galis. Dominique in his prime is another story. Although he wasn't super creative off the dribble, he still was a dominant scorer who could run an offense. Galis seems like he had those characteristics.
Someone posted on the Seton Hall Forum that he outplayed Tiny Archibald in the 1979 Training Camp -- but a day before the cuts fractured his ankle. And the rest was history. Supposedly the Nets offered him a tryout, but he refused.
I'm thinking he could have been an excellent scorer with decent assist and playmaking skills. Maybe he could have been a better scoring version of Vinnie Johnson or something like an Isiah Thomas?
He had to have been an above average scoring talent even by NBA standards.[/QUOTE]
I saw prime Galis. The only other guy in history that compares is Jordan. And like I said Galis even scored 50 against Jordan when they played and Jordan was guarding him.
Galis was the leading scorer in the World Championship and Oscar Schmidt is 2nd. Galis could have averaged 30 in the NBA.
[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]I saw prime Galis. The only other guy in history that compares is Jordan. And like I said Galis even scored 50 against Jordan when they played and Jordan was guarding him.
Galis was the leading scorer in the World Championship and Oscar Schmidt is 2nd. Galis could have averaged 30 in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
I REALLY WISH I could see that game or at least a box score. I keep reading the same quote by Jordan rehashed, saying how he was surprised Greece had such a great scorer etc...
Did you actually see this game? Did you watch Aris in the early to mid 80s?
What was your appraisal of his game and his physical profile?
[quote=Lakas Fan Yo]I saw prime Galis. The only other guy in history that compares is Jordan. And like I said Galis even scored 50 against Jordan when they played and Jordan was guarding him.
Galis was the leading scorer in the World Championship and Oscar Schmidt is 2nd. Galis could have averaged 30 in the NBA.[/quote]
Galis was great, but comparing him to Michael Jordan is laughable. Never again.
[QUOTE=Grinder]Galis was great, but comparing him to Michael Jordan is laughable. Never again.[/QUOTE]
Yeah right. Bob McAdoo and Audie Norris said he was one of the 2 or 3 best players they ever saw. I didn't compare him to Jordan either. I am saying the only other perimeter guy that could score like him was Jordan.
[QUOTE=Nikos1982]I REALLY WISH I could see that game or at least a box score. I keep reading the same quote by Jordan rehashed, saying how he was surprised Greece had such a great scorer etc...
Did you actually see this game? Did you watch Aris in the early to mid 80s?
What was your appraisal of his game and his physical profile?[/QUOTE]
Galis was unstoppable. If you triple teamed him all game he could drop 40. His game was something like a combo of Stockton and Chris Paul but with a lot more ability to score the basketball.
[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]Galis was unstoppable. If you triple teamed him all game he could drop 40. His game was something like a combo of Stockton and Chris Paul but with a lot more ability to score the basketball.[/QUOTE]
He does sort of remind me of Chris Paul in terms of speed, size, and mannerisms on his drives.
Galis seems to me like a better athlete than Stockton, but I'm not sure he was as good as Chris Paul -- at least in terms of North/South Speed. Maybe Galis had better elevation on his J and could change speeds nearly as well as CP3?
I can't imagine that Galis could be as dominant a PG in the NBA as Paul is today. Paul is like a 6 foot Magic right now. Scoring and Passing as well as could be expected from a PG.
[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]I saw prime Galis. The only other guy in history that compares is Jordan. And like I said Galis even scored 50 against Jordan when they played and Jordan was guarding him.
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You love to twist the truth don't you. You're such a Euro homer and that's fine, but don't tell these little white lies, it just makes you look bad.
Galis in his prime scored 50 in losing effort. A blowout actually in an exhibition game against UNC. I can't find any other info on the game. So If Jordan really guarded him I don't know, if the game was taken seriously I don't know. But Jordan wasn't Michael Jordan then. He was 19.
[quote=Lakas Fan Yo]Yeah right. Bob McAdoo and Audie Norris said he was one of the 2 or 3 best players they ever saw. I didn't compare him to Jordan either. I am saying the only other perimeter guy that could score like him was Jordan.[/quote]
Uh no. Kobe Bryant > Galis. Kobe is my last favorite player.
[quote=Jinxed]You love to twist the truth don't you. You're such a Euro homer and that's fine, but don't tell these little white lies, it just makes you look bad.
Galis in his prime scored 50 in losing effort. A blowout actually in an exhibition game against UNC. I can't find any other info on the game. So If Jordan really guarded him I don't know, if the game was taken seriously I don't know. But Jordan wasn't Michael Jordan then. He was 19.[/quote]
Lmao, I didn't know it was against MJ's UNC team. Thanks for posting that. :oldlol:
Pretty much any substance in the MJ argument has been destroyed.
Wasn't UNC pretty stacked in those days? With Worthy and Daughtery?
Just as an aside, Greek Basketball (at least there national team) was HORRIBLE in the 80s before Galis came to the scene. He alone revolutionized the country's basketball landscape.
Not much shame in losing to UNC considering how untalented the Greek team was back then.
[QUOTE=Nikos1982]He does sort of remind me of Chris Paul in terms of speed, size, and mannerisms on his drives.
Galis seems to me like a better athlete than Stockton, but I'm not sure he was as good as Chris Paul -- at least in terms of North/South Speed. Maybe Galis had better elevation on his J and could change speeds nearly as well as CP3?
I can't imagine that Galis could be as dominant a PG in the NBA as Paul is today. Paul is like a 6 foot Magic right now. Scoring and Passing as well as could be expected from a PG.[/QUOTE]
Galis was more athletic than Paul and a better scorer. But they are very, very similar players.