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[QUOTE=scuzzy]Phoenix
Creator of life and death and all matter, can exist in multiple realities simultaneously
More powerful than the infinity stones combined[/QUOTE]
I think this was shown to be false. Infinity Gauntlet > Phoenix+Celestials+Living Tribunal+Eternity+etc.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]:facepalm
This is not a hypothetical. Captain Marvel has fought Rogue on multiple occasions and lost every time.[/QUOTE]
Could be PIS.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]:facepalm
This is not a hypothetical. Captain Marvel has fought Rogue on multiple occasions and lost every time.[/QUOTE]
We are talking about their cinematic versions right? Which is so far apart from comic versions? :facepalm
Check the OP bro
[QUOTE=Doctor K]We are talking about their cinematic versions right? Which is so far apart from comic versions? :facepalm
Check the OP bro[/QUOTE]
And the movies largely follow various comic storylines. In the comics, Rogue takes Captain Marvel
[QUOTE=Doctor K]Umm no? Captain Marvel held her ground against Thanos and if Thanos didn't use his infinity stones would've won that fight. She has shown great energy output and strong durability as well along with her light-like traveling speed.
Didn't Superman get knocked unconscious after taking an atomic bomb?
Superman beat Darkshield in the movies? We are talking about their cinematic versions here. And all the avengers together would've easily taken Thanos, they were separate half half when they failed and barely failed. Together they would've won.
Superman absolutely has no chance against the Avengers. As someone said, as soon as Superman is even a bit occupied with Hulk/Marvel/Thor, Strange can finish him off, he can literally even undo damage that Superman does. And I don't even think Superman wins even with Strange not present. Captain Marvel's feats have been almost on-par with Superman (I'll give Superman the edge) but with Thor/Hulk/Vision/Witch it's just too much[/QUOTE]
Dr Fate can hold Dr Strange in check. Easily.
Superman would make chutney out of Captain Marvel. Hell, Shazam aka the original Captain Marvel would spank Captain Marvel's ass red :oldlol:
Set Wonder woman and Captain Atom on hulk and superman on Thor. Shazam on Captain Marvel. Flash and hawk girl can keep Vision busy. Martian manhunter on the Scarlett Witch. Green lantern can take on Iron man. Batman on Captain America. It's a wrap.
My money would decidedly be on an unhinged, moral-less Superman... especially under a yellow sun. We've seen versions of this Superman in the past, but rarely uncaged and out for blood. The problem with Superman is that he simply has too many powers with which to adequately contend if he isn't holding back, and he can use them in concert: strength, super speed, flight, heat vision, super hearing, super vision, x-ray vision, freeze breath, hurricane breath, durability, excellent healing factor. His Flash-lite speed and ridiculous strength alone make it difficult to defend against him. Someone with his strength hitting someone with the kind of speed he can harness would leave almost all the Avengers dead within the first second.
Thanos... that's a fun matchup. Without the Infinity gauntlent and all the stones, it's a cakewalk for an unbridled Superman; again, just too many powers and skills to deal with. Now a Thanos with the Infinity gauntlet and all the stones is tough to beat, and almost a loss for any version of Superman. However, if Superman is aware of Thanos' ability with the gauntlet, Thanos likely wouldn't have an opportunity to use it before Superman uses his speed to simply break his arm, break his fingers, or take the gauntlet from him.
[QUOTE]Why else would they give a D-list character like Captain Marvel her own movie?[/QUOTE]
To make a billion dollar profit?
Movie cost 175 million and made 1.2 billion before accounting for home release and streaming.
They arent making a movie to set up a supporting xmen character.
They may let Rogue get her powers but thats not the reason to introduce her.
[QUOTE=MaxFly]My money would decidedly be on an unhinged, moral-less Superman... especially under a yellow sun. We've seen versions of this Superman in the past, but rarely uncaged and out for blood. The problem with Superman is that he simply has too many powers with which to adequately contend if he isn't holding back, and he can use them in concert: strength, super speed, flight, heat vision, super hearing, super vision, x-ray vision, freeze breath, hurricane breath, durability, excellent healing factor. His Flash-lite speed and ridiculous strength alone make it difficult to defend against him. Someone with his strength hitting someone with the kind of speed he can harness would leave almost all the Avengers dead within the first second.
Thanos... that's a fun matchup. Without the Infinity gauntlent and all the stones, it's a cakewalk for an unbridled Superman; again, just too many powers and skills to deal with. Now a Thanos with the Infinity gauntlet and all the stones is tough to beat, and almost a loss for any version of Superman. However, if Superman is aware of Thanos' ability with the gauntlet, Thanos likely wouldn't have an opportunity to use it before Superman uses his speed to simply break his arm, break his fingers, or take the gauntlet from him.[/QUOTE]
The only way that works is Thanos making a conscious effort to weaken himself for a fight to be fun like he did in the comics....when the Surfer tried the "Come in at warp speed with super strength" thing and Thanos still dodged him. He felt stupid for letting them get close and decided to go back to full power....but it still didnt work on his limited form used to give them a fighting chance.
We are giving Superman credit for what he could do going all out but putting him against a Thanos with restrictions.
100% all out comics superman vs Gauntlet thanos isnt a fight. Superman is exactly the same threat as a blade of grass to the all out comics Thanos.
Galactus, Time and Space in physical form, and the Celestials who wipe out planets with a thought threw literal galaxies at him to no effect. Whats superman gonna do? Punch him so hard the multiverse collapses?
Beings who could actually destroy the universe couldnt stop him.
Superman is not a threat to anything on the cosmic level. Is he gonna punch the phoenix force which is just the energy of all future life in the universe? How does a punch kill life force?
Superman is physical. Hes nothing to these beings of energy. And those beings couldnt even slow Thanos down.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]The only way that works is Thanos making a conscious effort to weaken himself for a fight to be fun like he did in the comics....when the Surfer tried the "Come in at warp speed with super strength" thing and Thanos still dodged him. He felt stupid for letting them get close and decided to go back to full power....but it still didnt work on his limited form used to give them a fighting chance.
We are giving Superman credit for what he could do going all out but putting him against a Thanos with restrictions.
100% all out comics superman vs Gauntlet thanos isnt a fight. Superman is exactly the same threat as a blade of grass to the all out comics Thanos.
Galactus, Time and Space in physical form, and the Celestials who wipe out planets with a thought threw literal galaxies at him to no effect. Whats superman gonna do? Punch him so hard the multiverse collapses?
Beings who could actually destroy the universe couldnt stop him.
Superman is not a threat to anything on the cosmic level. Is he gonna punch the phoenix force which is just the energy of all future life in the universe? How does a punch kill life force?
Superman is physical. Hes nothing to these beings of energy. And those beings couldnt even slow Thanos down.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps I misread, but...
[QUOTE]MCU Avengers vs DCCU Superman[/QUOTE]
Thanos without the gauntlet doesn't have the feats in the MCU world indicating that he can deal with DCCU Superman's speed in concert with his strength and other powers. It's just not a fair match for Thanos here... especially if we're talking a resurrected Superman from JL. It's a stomp fest for Supes sans gauntlet, and it's not really close.
As I mentioned, the gauntlet is what gives Thanos his edge over Superman, but much of it depends on what Superman knows. If he knows anything about the gauntlet, an uninhibited Supes stands a fair chance in ending things embarrassingly fast.
The DC superman supposedly uninhibited didnt actually hurt....anyone. He knocked wonder woman back...shoulder bumped flash who got right back up....and knocked Aquaman back who also seemed unharmed. Batman is a normal human and came out unharmed. Thanos actually wiped out half the universe.
As is often the case with superman he gets credit for what you think he could do in a situation you get to control but his opponent has limitations.
Put both of them in the superman "He could...." position and ignore what they actually did Thanos can stop time, destroy the universe, or turn superman into an oreo.
As I said Superman isnt really that much of a threat....hes a "If he does this the way I think he should" threat who is still eliminated if you give everyone he faces the same credit for what they could do in an ideal situation.
The most damage superman could do is fly light speed into a planet and destroy it I suppose.
Thanos was going to destroy and rebuild the universe.
This isnt a real comparison.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]The DC superman supposedly uninhibited didnt actually hurt....anyone. He knocked wonder woman back...shoulder bumped flash who got right back up....and knocked Aquaman back who also seemed unharmed. Batman is a normal human and came out unharmed. Thanos actually wiped out half the universe.[/QUOTE]
Resurrected DCCU Superman really wasn't trying to hurt that group. I think that encounter underscored the fact that even in a fog, he was incredibly powerful and incredibly restrained as he was still trying to gather himself. Lol, at that being Superman uninhibited. Only a little later, we see a jovial, smiling, "how's yo mama and them" Superman throwing Steppenwolf around like a rag doll. MCU Thanos, even without the gauntlet, is certainly more resilient, but he would get stomped in laughingly embarrassing fashion given the capabilities and power of the DCCU Superman. It's an unfair fight.
[B]Thanos' saving grace is the gauntlet[/B], but he's going to have to use it very quickly, otherwise he likely wouldn't get an opportunity to use it at all. And really, that's what it all boils down to: MCU Thanos is going to have to rely heavily on that gauntlet to take Supes... complete dependence on it for him to have any hope. He better work on speeding up his snap.
Outside of the gauntlet, this is a laughable comparison given their respective power levels depicted in the MCU and DCCU.
[QUOTE=MaxFly]Resurrected DCCU Superman really wasn't trying to hurt that group. I think that encounter underscored the fact that even in a fog, he was incredibly powerful and incredibly restrained as he was still trying to gather himself. Lol, at that being Superman uninhibited. Only a little later, we see a jovial, smiling, "how's yo mama and them" Superman throwing Steppenwolf around like a rag doll. MCU Thanos, even without the gauntlet, is certainly more resilient, but he would get stomped in laughingly embarrassing fashion given the capabilities and power of the DCCU Superman. It's an unfair fight.
[B]Thanos' saving grace is the gauntlet[/B], but he's going to have to use it very quickly, otherwise he likely wouldn't get an opportunity to use it at all. And really, that's what it all boils down to: MCU Thanos is going to have to rely heavily on that gauntlet to take Supes... complete dependence on it for him to have any hope. He better work on speeding up his snap.
Outside of the gauntlet, this is a laughable comparison given their respective power levels depicted in the MCU and DCCU.[/QUOTE]
I think with the gauntlet, superman loses. Without the gauntlet, Thanos loses.
If the superman in question didn
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]If the superman in question didn’t fight uninhibited why are we even talking about what superman could do in a scenario you designed while ignoring what Thanos could do in a scenario we design?
Comic book version it’s not a fight at all. Thanos would win because superman is nothing more than a physical threat. In the movies we saw superman strain to break another kryptonian‘s neck and use kryptonite to kill doomsday in a movie where he was just spared by Batman who is just a clever human.
He didn’t actually defeat Steppenwolf either. He knocked him around doing him little harm and they sent him back through the portal with the parademons swarming him.
Superman is forever getting credit for what he could do hypothetically while we ignore that the superman in question never actually does anything. The Thanos in question Had the ability to literally destroy and rebuild of the universe but decided to only wipe out half the life. Superman has never and will never be anything close to that level of threat.
Only superman in an unrestrained hypothetical is a problem and when you put everyone else he’s compared to in an unrestrained hypothetical they could destroy him easily.
You simply cannot be strong or fast enough to defeat people who control time and space.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, you are overestimating Thanos. Thor with Stormbreaker almost killed Thanos, did he not? Thanos had all 6 gems. I know it was a surprise attack by Thor but Superman doing a speed blitz could leave Thanos surprised and unable to counterattack. Remember, Superman can fly as fast as Flash can run. Thanos without the gauntlet can't manipulate time or space.. He needs the gauntlet.
How is Thanos without the gauntlet stopping Superman's nuclear punches off speed blitzes of Flash speeds?
Stormbreaker only worked because of magic though.