"Pippen was the best player in the world in 93, 94, 95" - Dennis Rodman

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH;13973726]Umm no. Not even close in 1993. Wasn't even the best player at his own position that season. Old, post achilles tear Domonique Wilkins had a MONSTER season. Had a huge down year following the Olympics. Mike at 30 had to pick up his slack. Part of the reason they only won 57 games that year, besides pacing themselves.

1993

1) MJ
2) Barkley
3) Hakeem
4) Ewing
5) Nique

1994

1) Hakeem
2) D-Rob
3) IMO Shaq
4) Pippen
5) Ewing

1995

1) D-Rob
2) Hakeem
3) Shaq
4) K. Malone
5) Ewing

He's not even close in 1995 either. Hell, Mike came out of retirement / baseball for 1.75 years, and in only 17 games he CLEARLY was already the Bulls absolute best player.

Highest he EVER got on the MVP / Best Player ladder, is 3 or 4 depending how you rank him in the much praised 1994 season. Until that semis series against NY really exposed him yet again, in terms of being an alpha and a scorer. Much as it did the year prior, even with Jordan on the floor.[/QUOTE]

This. You have to have as much drugs in your veins as rodman to actually think this. Pip was definitely one of the best those years though and mj was definitely lucky to have him.

Pippen from 1994-95 is Kawhi Levrk without the load management.

[QUOTE=Lebron23;13973946]Pippen from 1994-95 is Kawhi Levrk without the load management.[/QUOTE]

What's wrong with you bronsexuals? It's amazing how you all take pride in lying and stupidity.

[QUOTE=Lebron23;13973946]Pippen from 1994-95 is Kawhi Levrk without the load management.[/QUOTE]

Pippen couldn't score like Kawhi. He had similar skill and fundamentals but never the mentality.

[QUOTE=LAL;13973960]What's wrong with you bronsexuals? It's amazing how you all take pride in lying and stupidity.[/QUOTE]

the only thing I've seen you post is "bron bron bron bron bron"


you're a bronsexual methinks

[QUOTE=red1;13973962]the only thing I've seen you post is "bron bron bron bron bron"


you're a bronsexual methinks[/QUOTE]

"Kyrie fan" "cavaliers fan" :oldlol::oldlol: I'm going to have so much fun with you.

[QUOTE=LAL;13973964]"Kyrie fan" "cavaliers fan" :oldlol::oldlol: I'm going to have so much fun with you.[/QUOTE]

no you wont bitch.


you're a f[SIZE=2]u[/SIZE]cking retard. :oldlol:

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I am not sure why Pippen is the one people keep pointing to about the top 50 when anyone who does those lists has him easily in it. .[/QUOTE]

They do now, but back then it was a real debate. I think 1994 really hurt him in Chicagoans eyes. It really bothered me. It was the freakin' Knicks. New York vs. Chicago, Knicks vs. Bulls, you cannot sit out. Anyway, all was forgiven by '98. I thought he deserved to be on that list, but, iirc, Dominique Wilkins being left off caused a huge reaction, "If we put Nique in there, who do you take out?"

SF to SF, the obvious answer was Pippen.

Hindsight being 20/20 with the ability to have seen these careers play out, there's no question Pippen belongs on there.

One other thing, the talk shows talked alot about Pippen's contract back then. Interestingly enough, Mike Greenberg was an intern for that radio station at the time. Anyway, not long after he signed it, Larry Johnson signed for some un-godly amount, $80 million comes to mind, check me on that, but Pip's contract looked really bad in comparison. But that's what he wanted, a long term deal. I would never ask him for financial advice.

[QUOTE=red1;13973965]no you wont bitch.


you're a f[SIZE=2]u[/SIZE]cking retard. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy;13973928]Giving him top 5 status for some of those years was a bit generous of you. Other than that, we mostly agree. I mean better THAT than going the 3ball route, thinking Pippen was Derek Fisher :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

People conflate 93' Barkley with 94' Barkley. He got hurt and his production went down in the second half and he was never again the Barkley we saw before that. Barkley, Malone, Pippen all play the same position so we can get an idea how they were perceived via all-NBA voting. Pippen and Malone were the first team guys and Pippen finished ahead of Malone in all-NBA 2 of 3 years from 1994-1996.

96' may actually have been Pippen's best season but MJ overshadowed him. Pippen had injury problems late in the season and that carried over to the playoffs. 96' was easily his worst finals.

In 95' his scoring went down because MJ came back and his stats took a hit across the board. He was scoring the same as 94' before MJ. He was top 20 in rebounding as a SF.

But hey we are at least having a reasonable debate in the real world, not comparing Pippen to Fisher, Mo Wiliams, or James Jones. :oldlol:

[QUOTE]Until that semis series against NY really exposed him yet again, in terms of being an alpha and a scorer. Much as it did the year prior, even with Jordan on the floor.[/QUOTE]

This is ridiculous. MJ was the one who struggled against New York the previous year...it is masked by one monster game.

[QUOTE]Pippen couldn't score like Kawhi. He had similar skill and fundamentals but never the mentality.[/QUOTE]

True but Pippen was a much superior playmaker. That said, the question is 80 games of Pippen against 60 games of Kawhi since Kawhi can't play regularly. Keep in mind Kawhi's stats are inflated by the rest. No other superstar has ever rested as much as he does...

[QUOTE]They do now, but back then it was a real debate. I think 1994 really hurt him in Chicagoans eyes.[/QUOTE]

That happens a lot, local fans will be harsher on a player when he plays and then be more fond of that player in retirement than nationally.

Philadelphia fans rip basically every star we have (except for Saint Nick Foles). Iverson was a weird exception since he didn't win much and got a pass.

[QUOTE]Curry has been better than Durant for a while and he was absolutely better than LeBron in 2019. I generally see people ranking KG as the best in 2004 man, I don't remember seeing someone say Duncan before tbh.[/QUOTE]

Sloppy phrasing but the point is one or both of LeBron or Durant has always been ahead of Curry and then you have other guys like Harden, Westbrook, and Giannis in the mix. You may have Curry as better but keep in mind the national perception was Durant was the best player on the team. I agree, although Curry was more important to the tram.

KG had a monster year and I see a lot of people saying it but I don't sway much due to one year. To me Duncan replaced Shaq as the best player and held that until Kobe took over in 2006, but I can see why people would say KG.

No one said Dirk was the best player in 2011. It was LeBron, Kobe, Wade as the consensus top 3. Dirk probably came in 4th or 5th. I do think Dirk was the best player in the playoffs, though.

[QUOTE=red1;13973965]no you wont bitch.


you're a f[SIZE=2]u[/SIZE]cking retard. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
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great avatar dude. 3wade got that finals MVP in the trophy case.

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great avatar dude. 3wade got that finals MVP in the trophy case.

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Thanks, man. I put it up to honor him after he retired. I probably would have changed it by now but if you change your avatar now it gets smaller than ones you had before the update.

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great avatar dude. 3wade got that finals MVP in the trophy case.

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Fitting how you have the two worst posters here on your side. This is amusing :oldlol:

[QUOTE=RRR3;13973984]Thanks, man. I put it up to honor him after he retired. I probably would have changed it by now but if you change your avatar now it gets smaller than ones you had before the update.[/QUOTE]

I'll always appreciate the heatles


huge fan of the way these pics still trigger people.


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