[QUOTE]For an all around troll to be ignored a lot of my arguments seem to stick in your head.
And very specifically so[/QUOTE]
Your posts are read for the same reason people turn around when they see a car crash.
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[QUOTE]For an all around troll to be ignored a lot of my arguments seem to stick in your head.
And very specifically so[/QUOTE]
Your posts are read for the same reason people turn around when they see a car crash.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14031820]Your posts are read for the same reason people turn around when they see a car crash.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
When Kblaze hits, he hits.
Noteworthy idiocy? Yikes.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14031505]True--but one key difference is Barkley won 1 MVP in his entire career. Giannis is going to have 2 by age 25. Only KAJ and LeBron have had 2+ MVP's at that age I believe.[/QUOTE]
Consider Moses Malone who won 3 MVPs within his first 7 seasons of being in the NBA (granted he played 2 years in the NBA prior to his entry). So that's 3 MVP awards by the age of 27. And Moses' MVP years included a title in 1983, his 7th season in the league.
Having said that, I don't consider Moses to be top 10. I don't know of anyone that does. Giannis is 7 years in and will likely win his 2nd. Let's see what happens in the playoffs, first.
[QUOTE=tpols;14031560]his talent in a vacuum is nowhere near top 5 GOAT let alone even top 25 GOAT.
the guy just dribble charges in to the paint every possession for a layup or dunk. And if the defense sags 15 feet off takes a baby deer jumper.
He would be dikembe mutumbo in past eras which is still nice, but he's gotten a huge boost from today's era of spacing, monopolizing, and palming.[/QUOTE]
Slow ass Dikembe? Sorry, but Dikembe Mutombo had neither the skill nor athleticism that Giannis has. It's insulting that you would draw such a comparison.
Giannis is obviously a few tiers above (meaning much much better than) Mutombo but I wont be surprised if he shuts him down in a playoffs series like what Deke did in the playoffs against the Sonics in 1994.
Stating the obvious but if he'll be unstoppable if he develops a reliable jumper especially in this day and age.
It's not just his athletic traits either. He's ambitious and he is a hard worker who has stayed humble. He's got everything going for him, all he has to do is to keep working hard.
[QUOTE=86Celtics;14031896]Stating the obvious but if he'll be unstoppable if he develops a reliable jumper especially in this day and age.
It's not just his athletic traits either. He's ambitious and he is a hard worker who has stayed humble. He's got everything going for him, all he has to do is to keep working hard.[/QUOTE]
I think if he can develop his passing like LeBron will be deadly.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14031865]Consider Moses Malone who won 3 MVPs within his first 7 seasons of being in the NBA (granted he played 2 years in the NBA prior to his entry). So that's 3 MVP awards by the age of 27. And Moses' MVP years included a title in 1983, his 7th season in the league.
Having said that, I don't consider Moses to be top 10. I don't know of anyone that does. Giannis is 7 years in and will likely win his 2nd. Let's see what happens in the playoffs, first.[/QUOTE]
That is another measuring stick. If it is two by 25, it is only KAJ, LeBron, Giannis.
3 MVP's--over whatever time frame--is another milestone. Other than Moses, every player with 3+ MVP's is consensus top 10 all-time. The other people are KAJ, LeBron, Russell, Jordan, Wilt, Bird, and Magic.
[QUOTE=86Celtics;14031896]Stating the obvious but if he'll be unstoppable if he develops a reliable jumper especially in this day and age.
It's not just his athletic traits either. He's ambitious and he is a hard worker who has stayed humble. He's got everything going for him, all he has to do is to keep working hard.[/QUOTE]
He doesnt really have high IQ going for him. His success is due to today's high paced transition game and maximization of Lebron ball kickouts. If he gets a few rings to go with his MVPs then yes he probably should be top 10. But I can see why European fans dont like him. In the half court hes clumsy and tactically one dimensional. He will never be a better player than Durant for example.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14032014]That is another measuring stick. If it is two by 25, it is only KAJ, LeBron, Giannis.
3 MVP's--over whatever time frame--is another milestone. Other than Moses, every player with 3+ MVP's is consensus top 10 all-time. The other people are KAJ, LeBron, Russell, Jordan, Wilt, Bird, and Magic.[/QUOTE]
Yea, though those guys have notable playoffs and finals performances, some of the best of all time. If Giannis can't get to the finals, let alone win one, despite having the best record in basketball multiple times, then history won't favor him as much. It's all speculation, though. It's still early in his career.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14032081]Yea, though those guys have notable playoffs and finals performances, some of the best of all time. If Giannis can't get to the finals, let alone win one, despite having the best record in basketball multiple times, then history won't favor him as much. It's all speculation, though. It's still early in his career.[/QUOTE]
roundball likes to tally awards and stats... he doesn't have the ability to actually analyze player's games in a vacuum.
I may be a little harsh on giannis, but a lot of people have echoed the same sentiments. even in this thread.
Sometimes, you need a little sprinkle of hate to balance out extreme overreactions like the title of this thread.
Tpols can't even keep his own statements straight. That is what makes you comedy gold--you will say something completely opposite of what you said 10 minutes earlier. Tpols is purely emotionally driven. Saying Giannis sucks, saying Ewing>LeBron are laughable statements that this guy actually thinks is "analysis." :lol
Any fool can make claims, as you prove routinely. I marshal facts to support my claims--which you and your ilk are incapable of doing.
[QUOTE]Yea, though those guys have notable playoffs and finals performances, some of the best of all time. If Giannis can't get to the finals, let alone win one, despite having the best record in basketball multiple times, then history won't favor him as much[/QUOTE]
He has played in 34 playoff games and he wasn't even a superstar for several of them. Let's wait and see. MJ and LeBron needed 7 years to make the finals themselves.
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unless it's apples to apples...
mate.
I forgot to mention you made the same statement in another thread with your "bawkish" account. :lol
That is the beauty of presenting information, not just stats, but evidence of GM, coach, player opinions at the time and reporting at the time: people can decide for themselves. Outside of the army of Jordan stans and their echo chamber, it is obvious what conclusions people are reaching.
It is revealing that Pippen's stock has went [I]up[/I] after the decade long MJ stan crusade to diminish him, which you are a core member of on ISH. There is a reason for that: people can see right through it (like you saying 21/3 APG is GOAT offense; saying 20/6 APG is trash offense).