Teammate career rankings between Jordan and Lebron -- The Reality

The ultimate teammate comparison: 55-27 versus 37-45 or 19-63. :lol

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14111262]If that is 1-9ball, he has Ewing 22nd all-time. Not sure where he has Wade. He also has Brandon Ingram as a top 10-12 all-time scorer. As to tpols, he has Ewing>LeBron. :oldlol: tpols isn't "gooseman" but is part of the same ilk. Every MJ stan raves about how great Ewing was.[/quote]

So what you're saying is "[U]tpol[/U]" has Pippen>Ewing then. That is the conclusion we get from the hard data posted in 1) this thread and 2) the one I enlightened "[U]3ball[/U]" in. There is no other logical choice.


[quote]Using that logic...

Pippen 27 PPG
Kukoc 24 PPG
BJ 20 PPG
Grant 20 PPG
Woolridge 30 PPG
Oakley 20 PPG
Cartwright 27 PPG

What do the numbers in the OP adjust to if you give every MJ teammate 5 PPG boosts from their scoring peak? These are just the guys who get to 20+ so it doesn't include guys who move into the high teens with an extra 5 PPG.[/QUOTE]

That is correct, Roundball. If everyone is getting boosts then why aren't Jordan's teammates? The narratives aren't stacking up as they should!

Wait, I thought today's league is soft and so easy to get stats but here you are using the higher stats to say that they are better then older players?????

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You can't make it up!!!!!!

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Well its a different era.

Teams are all loaded now.

Bron isn‘t out here facing teams with Starks, Majerle, Smits, etc as sidekick

[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn;14111280]Wait, I thought today's league is soft and so easy to get stats but here you are using the higher stats to say that they are better then older players?????

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You can't make it up!!!!!!

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exacly :oldlol:

now do Jordans career competition all-time

where does jeff hornacek and craig ehlo rank in the midst

[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn;14111280]Wait, I thought today's league is soft and so easy to get stats but here you are using the higher stats to say that they are better then older players?????

:roll:

You can't make it up!!!!!!

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Just as you said, Kahn, how do you compare stats that [U]don't adjust[/U] for possessions across era? And still want to claim numbers [U]now[/U] are easier to get? No consistency from the cult-like posters.

[QUOTE=LAmbruh;14111283]exacly :oldlol:

now do Jordans career competition all-time

[B]where does jeff hornacek and craig ehlo rank in the midst[/B][/QUOTE]

:lol :roll: :roll:
G league 6th man

[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn;14111280]Wait, I thought today's league is soft and so easy to get stats but here you are using the higher stats to say that they are better then older players?????

:roll:

You can't make it up!!!!!!

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+1

We need to add 25% to every 90s trash can kid to make up for lack of skillset

[QUOTE=Insidious]So what you're saying is "tpol" has Pippen>Ewing then. That is the conclusion we get from the hard data posted in 1) this thread and 2) the one I enlightened "3ball" in. There is no other logical choice.[/QUOTE]

Yup, but they want it both ways: Ewing was awesome (because he played against MJ) and Pippen sucks (because he played with MJ). tpols compares Pippen to guys like Iggy and Michael Cooper. No beliefs, just agendas. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Insidious]That is correct, Roundball. If everyone is getting boosts then why aren't Jordan's teammates?[/QUOTE]

Good question. They go on and on about how much tougher the 90's were yet MJ's teammates would receive [I]no[/I] benefit from being in what they say is a much easier era?

[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn;14111280]Wait, I thought today's league is soft and so easy to get stats but here you are using the higher stats to say that they are better then older players?????

:roll:

You can't make it up!!!!!!

:roll:[/QUOTE]

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Nope--and they flip flop on this thread to thread--sometimes on an hourly basis. Shameless, isn't it?

its not about impact or else giannis > jordan or wilt > jordan. Lebron might even be more impactful than jordan but well choose kobe over him when it comes to building a team. Well choose kawhi over him coz they possess the skill that matters the most. And pippen is the same, hes a great 2nd option but we might even have a higher chance of winning with miller than him.

[QUOTE=knicksman;14111308]its not about impact or else giannis > jordan or wilt > jordan. Lebron might even be more impactful than jordan but well choose kobe over him when it comes to building a team. Well choose kawhi over him coz they possess the skill that matters the most. And pippen is the same, hes a great 2nd option but we might even have a higher chance of winning with miller than him.[/QUOTE]

Giannis hasn't shown to carry the same impact Jordan did in the playoffs. So no, knicksman, your take is incorrect.

[QUOTE=knicksman;14111308]its not about impact or else giannis > jordan or wilt > jordan. Lebron might even be more impactful than jordan but well choose kobe over him when it comes to building a team. Well choose kawhi over him coz they possess the skill that matters the most. And pippen is the same, hes a great 2nd option but [B]we might even have a higher chance of winning with miller than him[/B].[/QUOTE]

No one would draft Kawhi over LeBron and only Kobe stans would draft Kobe over LeBron. :oldlol:

Let's compare Pippen to MJ stain darling Miller, probably the only player that rivals Ewing as an object of hype for them.

All-NBA: Pippen 7, Miller 3
All-NBA 1st: Pippen 3, Miller 0
All-NBA 1st/2nd: Pippen 5, Miller 0
Top 5 MVP: Pippen 2, Miller 0
Top 10 MVP: Pippen 5, Miller 0
High MVP finish: Pippen 3rd, Miller 13th (tied with J. Rose, M. Finley, D. Armstrong with 1 fifth place vote each)
Prime BPM: Pippen 6.0, Miller 4.2
Prime VORP per 82: Pippen 6.3, Miller 4.6

This is a joke. I am not going to look up more to compare the two. It is obvious one player was much better--yet MJ stans will rave about Miller and say "Pippen sucked."

The consistent theme is this: if you played with MJ you sucked, if you played against MJ you were a flawless legend. Miller=Curry per some MJ stans. :roll:

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14111272]The ultimate teammate comparison: 55-27 versus 37-45 or 19-63. :lol[/QUOTE]

To be fair, they should have won much more in 93 but Pippen and Grant had really down years compared to 92. Had they not been so bad, 92 Bulls should have been closer to 65ish wins.

Of course Pippen and Grant had career years in 94, so the Bulls overachieved.

Roundball_Rock leaves a trail of bodied posters from thread to thread :applause:

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Thanks. We were waiting for the Knicks/MJ Stockholm Syndrome contingent to make the obligatory appearance echoing the MJ stan TP. We get it: Pippen sucked (sucked in that ECF, right?), Grant sucked, it was all MJ (pathetic Knicks losing to a one man team :lol ), we should cherry pick their highest win total (55, 61, 67, 57, 55--cherry pick 67 as their "true" level!), etc.

Interesting argument: players got better w/out MJ (Pippen, Grant, BJ, Kerr, Myers, arguably S. Williams had career years--i.e., most of the rotation :oldlol: ) while everyone gets worse when LeBron leaves. This is an argument [I]for[/I] MJ. :confusedshrug:

Let's use your cherry picking argument. 13' Heat: 66 wins, down to 37 in 15'. That's -29 wins. 92' Bulls 67 wins, 94' Bulls 55 wins. -12. So per your own metric, -29 vs. -12. Both coming from the same baseline: 67 and 66--and one team lands at 55 and the other 37. According to MJ stans and their satellite Knicks fans contingent, 67 to 55=worse team than the team going from 66 to 37.

Again and again we see their own metrics backfire--but they still won't own the logical conclusions of their own metrics.

[QUOTE=SATAN]Roundball_Rock leaves a trail of bodied posters from thread to thread[/QUOTE]

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