Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

Exactly. And to think that some LeBron haters think that LeBron is only a name because of the media. They should thank their lucky stars that the media is voting for the awards, because if it was the coaches who were voting, then he would have multiple DPOYs and several more MVPs. And this is no exaggeration.

There may be some objective people in the media, but there are some serious LeBron haters. I mean, people who hate the ground that LeBron walks on. If LeBron's name was the only one on the ballot for an award, they would vote blank.

I would argue that LeBron right now is a better defender than Jordan was at any point in his career.

Think about all of the players Michael Jordan had to defend throughout his entire career - Joe Dumars, John Starks, Craig Ehlo, etc. 2020 LeBron James can defend all of them just as well as Jordan, if not better.

But what makes LeBron [B][I]clearly[/I][/B] superior are two additional things that Jordan didn't do:

1) LeBron can defend centers and power forwards at a high level.

[INDENT][I]LeBron can actually defend heavy centers better than Anthony Davis because he has a stronger base (Bron is unusually strong in general).

Jordan was so much smaller and weaker that he couldn’t seriously consider doing anything in the frontcourt.[/I][/INDENT]

2) LeBron is also his team's defensive quarterback.

[INDENT][I]Scottie Pippen was the Chicago Bulls defensive quarterback, not Michael Jordan.

LeBron has been the defensive quarterback on all of his teams since 2008.[/I][/INDENT]

So it’s the same old story: LeBron can do everything on defense and Jordan couldn’t.

[QUOTE=3ball;14165747]And you think he's messing with MJ?.. :whatever:[/QUOTE]

Mj was the better defender because he was way more consistent. He rarely took plays off. When lebron is engaged and locked in he's as good as mj imo. He's just not engaged defensively as much as he could be. I think stamina could be part of the reason why. He dosn't have mj's stamina to go all out on both ends all the time. Mj's stamina was insane.

Everytime 3ball makes a thread he gets curb stomped.

Jordan couldn't make 13 all-nba first teams? No comparison.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14165794]Reggie didn't make an All-NBA 2nd Team or finish top 10 in MVP voting a single time in his year entire 18 year career[/QUOTE]

Lol Jordan's best competition in the east is a discount Klay.

[QUOTE=3ball;14165853]Miller is a top shooter like Curry is except he's 5 inches taller with a pure scoring mid-range game.. he'd be fine without a 3-pt line, while curry probably wouldn't have even played[/QUOTE]

Reggie Miller. Zero all nba 1st or 2nd. Zero all defense.

Klay Thompson >>>> Reggie Miller.

Is this the best Jordan went up against in the East.

The toughest team Jordan said he played were the Pacers in the East. A team with not even Paul George level talent on it.

[QUOTE=8Ball;14165922]Reggie Miller. Zero all nba 1st or 2nd. Zero all defense.

Klay Thompson >>>> Reggie Miller.

Is this the best Jordan went up against in the East.

The toughest team Jordan said he played were the Pacers in the East. A team with not even Paul George level talent on it.[/QUOTE]

Reggie miller is better than pg. Pg looks good and has all the skill sets but he's not a winner

And Reggie Miller won what exactly?

Zero all nba 1st teams. Zero all defense.

Zero rings.

Paul George > Reggie Miller.

The discount Klay is the best Jordan faced in entire 90s East?

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14165793]He's gotta hold onto 3-1 leads against 7'1 Windhorst first[/QUOTE]

He held onto leads against LeBron, Durant, Curry, Giannis, Harden AKA every great player of his era. Bubble ball doesn't count.

No Pip?

We know what Miller would be in today's NBA. His name is Klay Thompson, who is Miller except he plays defense too.

[QUOTE=BigtimeNBAFan;14165778]Yeah that was a crazy clapback. The truth is Miller has nothing on Curry. Curry is a 2x MVP who actually won titles and was actually a superstar 3 point shooter. Reggie Miller's best 3 point season was he made 229. To put that in perspective Steph Curry has 5 of the top 10 3 point shooting seasons in nba history and they were all more than Miller's best season.[/QUOTE]

Yup. It also is funny they will hype every star MJ played against and then diminish Pippen, whose peak and prime blow Miller's away. :lol

[QUOTE]Reggie didn't make an All-NBA 2nd Team or finish top 10 in MVP voting a single time in his year entire 18 year career[/QUOTE]

Yup--guys like Richmond, Dumars did it at SG in his own era but he couldn't. Moreover, he was a 1x all-star through 7 seasons before Spike Lee made him famous. I am not aware of any other player who magically became a perennial all-star at 29 years old...

The other thing is when Miller got MVP votes he tied his teammates each year (Smits in 98', Rose in 00')--presumably a 5th place vote or two. So he wasn't even #1 on his own team in those cases.

[QUOTE]And Reggie Miller won what exactly?[/QUOTE]

Nothing. Even his documentary "Winning Time" ends with the Pacers losing. :lol

[QUOTE=light;14165899]I would argue that LeBron right now is a better defender than Jordan was at any point in his career.

Think about all of the players Michael Jordan had to defend throughout his entire career - Joe Dumars, John Starks, Craig Ehlo, etc. 2020 LeBron James can defend all of them just as well as Jordan, if not better.

But what makes LeBron [B][I]clearly[/I][/B] superior are two additional things that Jordan didn't do:

1) LeBron can defend centers and power forwards at a high level.

[INDENT][I]LeBron can actually defend heavy centers better than Anthony Davis because he has a stronger base (Bron is unusually strong in general).

Jordan was so much smaller and weaker that he couldn’t seriously consider doing anything in the frontcourt.[/I][/INDENT]

2) LeBron is also his team's defensive quarterback.

[INDENT][I]Scottie Pippen was the Chicago Bulls defensive quarterback, not Michael Jordan.

LeBron has been the defensive quarterback on all of his teams since 2008.[/I][/INDENT]

So it’s the same old story: LeBron can do everything on defense and Jordan couldn’t.[/QUOTE]

Goodnesa Gracious

R.I P. op's agenda

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14165985]No Pip?[/QUOTE]

NO Chip

Simple as that

0/5 without Pip

[QUOTE=8Ball;14165962]And Reggie Miller won what exactly?

Zero all nba 1st teams. Zero all defense.

Zero rings.

Paul George > Reggie Miller.

The discount Klay is the best Jordan faced in entire 90s East?[/QUOTE]

Well he went further than pg which according to bron stans means alot. He's just a better competitor. He also is the goat off ball mover.

And its not like he's way better buy he's definitely better.

[QUOTE=Shooter;14165994]NO Chip

Simple as that

0/5 without Pip[/QUOTE]

Bingo. Op is the reason MJ has to come out with a new documentary every 3 months. Literally dragging his name thru mud