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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14299583]Yep, look at the first 2 games of the 2016 Finals, Curry & Klay score 20 then 35 points COMBINED and the Warriors win both games in complete blowouts[/QUOTE]
I remember Livingston had like 20 in game 1. Probably had 12 in the second quarter when Curry and Klay were on the bench.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14299573]People also forget how strong the bench was, particularly in 2015. Obviously Iggy was technically off the bench, although he was clearly a better player than Barnes, which is why he started after a couple games in the finals. So idk if that really counts.
But guys like Livingston, Barbosa, Speights, and David Lee were all solid offensively. Most nights the weren't really tasked with doing much, but they were certainly capable if Steph or Klay were off.[/QUOTE]
Yea I mentioned that. I was pretty shocked to see the current warriors are 2nd in team assists this year. They're assisting on the same level as the 80s Lakers or Celtics right now.... The only difference between then and now is they are middle of the pack in 3pt % now while they were runaway #1 in 2016. So Klay certainly wouldve helped that tremendously.
[QUOTE=3ball;14299545]Indeed, once the strategy edge wore off, Dray and other role players look like the bummy players they are
So your point that system bums like Dray and other role players thrived under the new strategy advantage only makes my point that it was just a short-lived strategy edge[/QUOTE]
Draymond Green led the playoffs in defensive win shares 4 seasons in a row. He's the only player to do that in the last 50 years. That's no bum, unless he's just not your type of player and you also think Kevin Garnett is a bum.
[QUOTE=tpols;14299562]I think people forget Dray wouldve been FMVP if they didnt lose by a hair. He was out there dropping 30+ point games in a low scoring Finals Game 7. Its amazing the offensive decline he's gone through. 5 ppg lmao.[/QUOTE]
You don't even have to go back that far. Just in 2019, Draymond was warriors best player in the 2nd round vs Harden/Paul. While curry missed like 7 different layups and Durant was sitting out half the series for injury. Go back and watch the series if you don't believe me. Draymond had 6 different triple doubles in the 2019 playoffs. He's playoff Draymond.
[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;14299622]You don't even have to go back that far. Just in 2019, Draymond was warriors best player in the 2nd round vs Harden/Paul. While curry missed like 7 different layups and Durant was sitting out half the series for injury. Go back and watch the series if you don't believe me. Draymond had 6 different triple doubles in the 2019 playoffs. He's playoff Draymond.[/QUOTE]
And here’s the clown who thinks Iggy was a better player on the Warriors than Curry. :oldlol:
Oh, so what you are saying is that MJ played in an era with subpar strategy and tactics AND expansion teams. Sounds like he had an extremely easy route to rings.
[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;14299596]Draymond Green led the playoffs in defensive win shares 4 seasons in a row. He's the only player to do that in the last 50 years. That's no bum, unless he's just not your type of player and you also think Kevin Garnett is a bum.[/QUOTE]
Kevin Garnett was an elite 1st option that could carry a team and offense.
Don't compare him to a role player like Draymond.
If you're giving credence to defensive win share, then you have to look at WS/48 (total win share), where Draymond ranks between 4th and 9th on his own team.. His usage further demonstrates his role (role player).
The Warriors had their chance to prove they could win without KD in 2019, but they lost despite Dray not getting suspended and Klay/Curry were dominating veterans that had the best Finals of their career.
Ultimately, the 2016 Finals proved the Warriors were just a system team that lacked the shot-creator needed to break the stalemate.. Kyrie broke the stalemate, so the Warriors needed to get a shot-creator of their own (kd)
[QUOTE=3ball;14299648]Kevin Garnett was an elite 1st option that could carry a team and offense.
Don't compare him to a role player like Draymond.
If you're giving credence to defensive win share, then you have to look at WS/48 (total win share), where Draymond ranks between 4th and 9th on his own team.. His usage further demonstrates his role (role player).
The Warriors had their chance to prove they could win without KD in 2019, but they lost despite Dray not getting suspended and Klay/Curry were dominating veterans that had the best Finals of their career.
Ultimately, the 2016 Finals proved the Warriors were just a system team that lacked the shot-creator needed to break the stalemate.. Kyrie broke the stalemate, so the Warriors needed to get a shot-creator of their own (kd)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Klay didn't miss a significant chunk of time in 2019 or anything. And yes, the Warriors proved by losing in the literal final minute of Game 7 of the Finals they [I]needed[/I] a top 3 player in the league :lol They could've never made up that one or two play difference they lost by without him
[QUOTE=3ball;14299648]Kevin Garnett was an elite 1st option that could carry a team and offense.
Don't compare him to a role player like Draymond.
If you're giving credence to defensive win share, then you have to look at WS/48 (total win share), where Draymond ranks between 4th and 9th on his own team.. His usage further demonstrates his role (role player).
The Warriors had their chance to prove they could win without KD in 2019, but they lost despite Dray not getting suspended and Klay/Curry were dominating veterans that had the best Finals of their career.
Ultimately, the 2016 Finals proved the Warriors were just a system team that lacked the shot-creator needed to break the stalemate.. Kyrie broke the stalemate, so the Warriors needed to get a shot-creator of their own (kd)[/QUOTE]
But Garnett was never efficient as a #1 option scorer in playoffs during his twolves days and his offense always took a major decline. He was best used during the Celtics 2008 run, their finals win he was 3rd option scorer and had 48% TS.
Warriors still won a title in 2015 without Durant, while Durant has never won anything without them. They also beat Durant in the 2016 west finals. What has Durant done without warriors? Absolutely nothing.
[video=youtube_share;mH4fUXxDOzQ]https://youtu.be/mH4fUXxDOzQ[/video]
3ball chasing that farewell tour. ISH don't love you like that.
If the '16 Warriors weren't all that great and it was just strategy, then why couldn't anyone else beat them?
Why is it that no one else caught up to their super special strategy but the Cavs?
And why is it, if it's really about the strategy, that they couldn't win a critical game 5 without Draymond?
And who cares? They were the winningest team ever. Aside from winning it all, they cleaned the league. And LeBron beat them. That's their legacy.
This guy...tryna to play Steph like a 2k Steve Kerr cheat strategy...
I'd have my point guard shoot 11 3's a game too if he made 45% of them. You can't just "strategize" that.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14299656]Yeah, Klay didn't miss a significant chunk of time in 2019 or anything. And yes, the Warriors proved by losing in the literal final minute of Game 7 of the Finals they [I]needed[/I] a top 3 player in the league :lol They could've never made up that one or two play difference they lost by without him[/QUOTE]
Great insight.... 1 ****ing play goes their way and theyre totally validated. It doesn't and they suck and need MVP help. This is after already winning 67 games and a ring the year before. Word.
[QUOTE=dawsey6;14299683]If the '16 Warriors weren't all that great and it was just strategy, then why couldn't anyone else beat them?
Why is it that no one else caught up to their super special strategy but the Cavs?
And why is it, if it's really about the strategy, that they couldn't win a critical game 5 without Draymond?
And who cares? They were the winningest team ever. Aside from winning it all, they cleaned the league. And LeBron beat them. That's their legacy.
This guy...tryna to play Steph like a 2k Steve Kerr cheat strategy...
I'd have my point guard shoot 11 3's a game too if he made 45% of them. You can't just "strategize" that.[/QUOTE]
His 1998 chicago bulls almost lost to the 1998 indiana pacers. A team that was not a better team than any of the Warriors team from.2015 to 2019
73 wins > 72 wins.
Deal with it.
[QUOTE=Smoke117;14299633]And here’s the clown who thinks Iggy was a better player on the Warriors than Curry. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
What's so special about him?
2015 - iggy won finals mvp
2016 - draymond carries curry in the finals and they still lose. Curry chokes
2017/2018 - Durant finals mvps
2019 - draymond is best player vs Harden/Paul and then curry chokes in finals again