Scottie Pippen vs Lamar Odom

[QUOTE=tpols;14444150]You contradicted yourself by comparing their PPG. Odom would score more today, but that's not even the point. If you watch the games, you'll see teams sag off Simmons and hes scared to take ANY jumper. His form is broke and he mentally shys away. Odom didnt do that. Defenders played him tight. If they sagged? He would definitely pull up.

It also brings up another discussion. Sagging defenders increase defensive pressure on teammates. Paint gets clogged.[/QUOTE]

And yet he still managed to score as many points as Odom all while being scared to shoot.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14444148]I'm saying they basically were the same player. Neither either is or was lived up to the hype.

Here's the issue. When you say one is afraid to shoot but the other wasn't, but the points are virtually the same. WHY IS THAT?[/QUOTE]

You're still comparing across era. You can't say not to and then do it yourself :confusedshrug: Ben is a better athlete and gets the majority of his points around the hoop. Odom had a better jumper and A) was never given space to shoot [B]and[/B] B) never hesitated to.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14444205]You're still comparing across era. You can't say not to and then do it yourself :confusedshrug: Ben is a better athlete and gets the majority of his points around the hoop. Odom had a better jumper and A) was never given space to shoot [B]and[/B] B) never hesitated to.[/QUOTE]

16-17 points is 16-17 points. But it's a matter of what it's worth. Think about it. I keep telling you guys it's easier to score now than in the past. You guys don't seem to get that when comparing players of different generations. So here now is a comparison of Ben Simmons and Lamar Odom. Both scored the same ppg, but as you guys say it, one was afraid to shoot the other wasn't. Then how are they scoring the same amount if points then?

I'm very consistent in my argument. You guys aren't.

[QUOTE=tpols;14444150]You contradicted yourself by comparing their PPG. [B]Odom would score more today[/B], but that's not even the point. If you watch the games, you'll see teams sag off Simmons and hes scared to take ANY jumper. His form is broke and he mentally shys away. Odom didnt do that. Defenders played him tight. If they sagged? He would definitely pull up.

It also brings up another discussion. Sagging defenders increase defensive pressure on teammates. Paint gets clogged.[/QUOTE]

How many points would Odom score today?

A player that is about the be awarded top 75 is being compared to Lamar Odom - this is very telling

Top 75 is supposed to be the greatest of all time, like Giannis' victory in 2021, or Dirk in 2011, or Kawhi in 2019.

So how in the f*ck does Pippen get in the top 75?... When did he ever play on that level of anywhere near?

It's preposterous, but the on-paper evaluations of new fans that never saw Pippen play see the 6 rings and rate him over Giannis or Dirk's 1 ring, even though Pippen was a 2nd option with weak stats and completely carried.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14444229]A player that is about the be awarded top 75 is being compared to Lamar Odom - this is very telling

Top 75 is supposed to be the greatest of all time, like Giannis' ring in 2021, or Dirk's 2011 ring, or Kawhi's 2019 ring

So how in the f*ck does Pippen get in the top 75?... When did he ever play on that level of anywhere near?

It's preposterous, but the on-paper evaluations of new fans that never saw Pippen play see the 6 rings and rate him over Giannis or Dirk's 1 ring, even though Pippen was a 2nd option with weak stats and completely carried.[/QUOTE]

Well the thread is a troll thread. The OP made it to call Pippen a role player. We're talking about Odom and Ben Simmons

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14444231]Well the thread is a troll thread. The OP made it to call Pippen a role player. We're talking about Odom and Ben Simmons[/QUOTE]


my point was that it SHOULDN'T be a troll thread and is a very viable comparison... And if Pippen is being compared to Odom, he certainly can't be top 75 all-time...

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14444223]16-17 points is 16-17 points. But it's a matter of what it's worth. Think about it. I keep telling you guys it's easier to score now than in the past. You guys don't seem to get that when comparing players of different generations. So here now is a comparison of Ben Simmons and Lamar Odom. Both scored the same ppg, but as you guys say it, one was afraid to shoot the other wasn't. Then how are they scoring the same amount if points then?

I'm very consistent in my argument. You guys aren't.[/QUOTE]

I don't care that they score the same points lol. Your first rebuttal was asking why, and I told you the difference. You got caught flip flopping and now you're trying to save face. Show me a post where I compared points across an era. If you find one, you'll see context. I'm always talking about this era being easy to score in.

If you watched Ben & Lamar, the difference couldn't be clearer. One is scared of his own jumper, the other is not.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14444238]I don't care that they score the same points lol. Your first rebuttal was asking why, and I told you the difference. You got caught flip flopping and now you're trying to save face. Show me a post where I compared points across an era. If you find one, you'll see context. I'm always talking about this era being easy to score in.

If you watched Ben & Lamar, the difference couldn't be clearer. One is scared of his own jumper, the other is not.[/QUOTE]
I asked you to prove a point. If one is scared to score and the other isn't, but they score the same points, what does that tell you? What you were about to say was Simmons plays in a more score friendly era. And that's 100% true.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14444236]my point was that it SHOULDN'T be a troll thread and is a very viable comparison... And if Pippen is being compared to Odom, he certainly can't be top 75 all-time...[/QUOTE]

Lol well he is, deal with it. And I guarantee you won't be alive when Pippen doesn't make that list.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14444246]I asked you to prove a point. If one is scared to score and the other isn't, but they score the same points, what does that tell you? What you were about to say was Simmons plays in a more score friendly era. And that's 100% true.[/QUOTE]

The contrast was already explained. Era plays a role, ya, but mentality plays a bigger one. Their approach couldn't be different, which is why points output is irrelevant.

Pippen...get real.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14444303]The contrast was already explained. Era plays a role, ya, but mentality plays a bigger one. Their approach couldn't be different, which is why points output is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]

Bro. You ain't scoring 16-17 points a night in the mid 90s to mid 00s being scared to shoot.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14444449]Bro. You ain't scoring 16-17 points a night in the mid 90s to mid 00s being scared to shoot.[/QUOTE]

I would agree, but who's saying otherwise? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14441719]I swear the Pippen hate is real on ISH.[/QUOTE]

I swear the Bulls hyperbole is real on ISH.