PG13 would've beaten Dwight with Mo just like he beat Gobert/Mitchell with Jackson

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14447917]So if Westbrook was a baby at 28 years old does that make LeBron a baby at 26 years old?[/QUOTE]


I misspoke perhaps, but that doesn't change the point being made - Lebron is a 6'8" Westbrook that mostly loses because inferior strategy loses regardless of who the is employing it - aka ball-domination loses regardless of who the ball-dominator is (even a 6'9" westbrook will mostly lose, aka lebron)

And before Lebron had super-teams, he had Westbrook-efficiency while losing as the league favorite (2010) or as defending conference champs (2008), and he lost in 2009 as the favorite as well by Westbrooking.. he's also the turnover goat - all-time leader in turnovers..

Ultimately, what would happen if you made Westbrook 6'9" with super-teams?... He'd be 4/10 like Lebron.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14447923]I misspoke perhaps, but that doesn't change the point being made - Lebron is a 6'8" Westbrook that mostly loses because inferior strategy loses regardless of who the is employing it - aka ball-domination loses regardless of who the ball-dominator is (even a 6'9" westbrook will mostly lose, aka lebron)

And before Lebron had super-teams, he had Westbrook-efficiency while losing as the league favorite (2010) or as defending conference champs (2008), and he lost in 2009 as the favorite as well by Westbrooking.. he's also the turnover goat - all-time leader in turnovers..

Ultimately, what would happen if you made Westbrook 6'9" with super-teams?... He'd be 4/10 like Lebron.[/QUOTE]
Everyone mostly lost except Bill Russell

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14447924]Everyone mostly lost except Bill Russell[/QUOTE]


Most all-time greats proved they had the skills to achieve the best teams, aka best team ceilings (winning Finals records)

Unfortunately, Lebron's skill restriction to ball-domination puts a lower ceiling on teammate fits and team strategy (less ball movement), which hurts team ceiling/Finals records.

Btw, Jordan is 6/11 in full seasons - so that excludes 86' and 95' and Wizards injury

[QUOTE=3ba11;14447927]Most all-time greats proved they had the skills to achieve the best teams, aka best team ceilings (winning Finals records)

Unfortunately, Lebron's skill restriction to ball-domination puts a lower ceiling on teammate fits and team strategy (less ball movement), which hurts team ceiling/Finals records.

Btw, Jordan is 6/11 in full seasons - so that excludes 86' and 95' and Wizards injury[/QUOTE]

MJ played 15 seasons. Stop making excuses. 6/15 MJ meanwhile Russell is 11/13

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14447955]MJ played 15 seasons. Stop making excuses. 6/15 MJ meanwhile Russell is 11/13[/QUOTE]


Russell wasn't the best player or top producer for most of his rings and he had super-teams - his casts had an 8 HOF advantage over MJ's cast

So Jordan's 6 rings as the best player and top producer is the top accomplishment in history, and his rings were without super-teams or 1b's (complete carry-jobs where the 2nd option averaged far less in every single series)

[QUOTE=3ba11;14447957]Russell wasn't the best player or top producer for most of his rings, while having an 8 HOF advantage over MJ's cast[/QUOTE]
Russell was the best player because of his two way defense. MJ can’t compare

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14447958]Russell was the best player because of his two way defense. MJ can’t compare[/QUOTE]


MJ was top 5 DPOY and scoring champ from 88-98', so apparently have no idea what you're talking about - no one reached a higher standard of play than top 5 DPOY and scoring champ.. every... single... year

[QUOTE=3ba11;14447959]MJ was top 5 DPOY and scoring champ from 88-98', so apparently have no idea what you're talking about - no one reached a higher standard of play than top 5 DPOY and scoring champ.. every... single... year[/QUOTE]

Dpoy didn’t exist. So MJ was better because of a media voted award?

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14447995]Dpoy didn’t exist. So MJ was better because of a media voted award?[/QUOTE]


you said that russell was the best because he was a 2-way player, except MJ is the greatest 2-way player of all-time - far superior to russell lol

scoring champ [U]and[/U] top 5 DPOY?.... for 10 years?... gtfo... no one is close to that STANDARD

[QUOTE=3ba11;14447998]you said that russell was the best because he was a 2-way player, except MJ is the greatest 2-way player of all-time - far superior to russell lol

scoring champ [U]and[/U] top 5 DPOY?.... for 10 years?... gtfo... no one is close to that STANDARD[/QUOTE]

Yet he couldn’t win more chips like Russell.

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14448008]Yet he couldn’t win more chips like Russell.[/QUOTE]


MJ never had a good cast - he had to win with a low-producing sidekick that was more like a defensive role player than a high-producing dominant star - MJ's rings were the rare breed of ring that was won without super-teams or 1b's that Russell and other stars enjoyed.

MJ had to achieve four #1 offenses that included goat margins above league average with literally the worst offensive help that any team ever had - i.e. the Bulls played 4 on 5 with Rodman, while pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs (including 2 Finals of 15 ppg)

Low producing teammates yet they won 72 games and even won 55 without MJ

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14446869]Lol really? Just 35,000?

OP has been doing this stuff for over a decade on multiple basketball forums. He could easily be over half a million posts that are pretty much solely about MJ vs Lebron.

You can tell he's an addict at this stuff because he throws together extremely low effort topics like this thread all the time. Like he needs to get his daily fix but runs out of material so we end up with this lame thread.

It's hard to tell what his goal even is...he could easily just be a mentally ill person who is obsessed with trolling people and gets his kicks off making troll threads about Lebron. He could also just be someone who is extremely lonely and gets his kicks by having people respond to him on the internet.[/QUOTE]
Have you heard? Not even doxxing op here with the names of his family members was enough to stop him in spilling his agendas about kong and pippen.

[QUOTE=GrayGoat;14448024]Low producing teammates yet they won 72 games and even won 55 without MJ[/QUOTE]


the triangle always did well when run well, and the Bulls had won 3 rings with it, so they were running it better than anyone ever had

they had developed this superior STRATEGY, so they could win with less TALENT (only 22/5 from pippen and 15/11 from their 2nd option, who was a simple rebounder)

imagine winning 55 with a simple rebounder at 2nd option - so that tells you the strategy was strong (3-peat strategy)

The Celtics didnt win because of Russell? FOH