I think you cannot compare first option rings to 2nd option rings.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14749852]His rim protection stats from 2015 and 2016 playoffs are better than peak Dray. The bolded is reality... he protected the rim at an elite level and had all-time great help defense.

I'm sorry you can't accept that.[/QUOTE]

You can't possibly be doubling down on that stupid take. Just admit you exaggerated.

Lebron's defensive usage is small meaning he contests very few shots given the number of minutes he's on the floor. That's normal for an offensive star that isn't a big man so not criticizing but he's nowhere near Draymond let alone Bill freaking Russell on defense. In the 2016 Playoffs Lebron contested 213 shots (32.4 DFG%) and Draymond contested 437 shots (39.4 DFG%) with way more of Draymond's contests being near the rim as well.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14749855]You can't possibly be doubling down on that stupid take. Just admit you exaggerated.

Lebron's defensive usage is small meaning he contests very few shots given the number of minutes he's on the floor. That's normal for an offensive star that isn't a big man so not criticizing but he's nowhere near Draymond let alone Bill freaking Russell on defense. In the 2016 Playoffs Lebron contested 213 shots (32.4 DFG%) and Draymond contested 437 shots (39.4 DFG%) with way more of Draymond's contests being near the rim as well.[/QUOTE]

Dray is an animal. Everywhere at once.

Never said he was overall better than peak dray, but did peak Dray things. Drays main responsibility is defense. Lebron contested less while leading the playoffs in blocks

You misunderstood thinking I was saying he had the same impact or responsibility on defense. I'm saying when needed he performed like those dudes in huge moments and overall much much better than Kobe.

In my opinion, if a player can get blame for a team losing, he should be able to get full credit for winning.

For instance many blame John Starks for the Knicks losing the Championship in 94. But he only gets partial credit if they win because he's not the best player?

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14749695]FMVP doesn't necessarily mean you were the best player or the #1 option.

KB '01
Rip Hamilton or Ben Wallace '04
TD '07
KG '08
Steph '15
Davis '20

Didn't win FMVPs but were the best players in those Playoff runs. I'm sure there's more from past eras but these instantly come into mind.[/QUOTE]
Tony Parker 2014

Can’t have it both ways (07)

[QUOTE=ninephive;14749937]Tony Parker 2014

Can’t have it both ways (07)[/QUOTE]

I thought about putting that in there but then I looked over the first 3 series and you could argue for 3-4 different Spurs players tbh, Parker was kind of inconsistent but had his moments that year.

[QUOTE=WhiteKyrie;14749825]You could easily make the argument he was 1b. He was the best player on the floor in the most competitive series, IE 2001 WCF

Shaq - 30/15/3
Kobe - 29/7/6

2012 LeBron - 30/10/6
2013 LeBron - 26/8/7
2016 LeBron - 26/10/8

Kobe’s 2001 is every bit as good as those runs and he was definitely a better defender than 2016 LeBron. And as good or better than 2012 and 2013 LeBron[/QUOTE]


Yeah Kobe had Shaq beat in many of the advanced stuff and was the best closer in the league by a wide margin while Shaq was essentially a 0 in crunch time in that run plus you have to look at their production through the first 3 rounds and not just the overall because there was a massive gap in the Finals due to match-ups (even then they had a road win with Shaq fouled out), but KB was clearly the better player through the first 3 series and had that amazing 4-game road stretch from the WCSF to the WCF. Lakers vs. Spurs was the real NBA Finals and KB was better by a WIDE margin and that matters.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14749852]His rim protection stats from 2015 and 2016 playoffs are better than peak Dray. The bolded is reality... he protected the rim at an elite level and had all-time great help defense.

I'm sorry you can't accept that.[/QUOTE]

This is a dumb comparison, Dray's best attributes are not protecting the rim (from an undersized 4 at that). Lebron was amazing defensively in 2016, you don't have to make crappy comparisons to make the point.

[QUOTE=hold this L;14750435]This is a dumb comparison, Dray's best attributes are not protecting the rim (from an undersized 4 at that). Lebron was amazing defensively in 2016, you don't have to make crappy comparisons to make the point.[/QUOTE]

lmaoo

he is low iq

The thread title is why Jordan's rings have the highest quality

There's never been anyone that won multiple rings with a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option, or a sidekick with lower peak capability (scouting report worthy), than Jordan's 6 chips

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and than there are role players rings on a stacked team vs an all time great :facepalm

[QUOTE=3ba11;14750557]The thread title is why Jordan's rings have the highest quality

There's never been anyone that won multiple rings with a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option, or a sidekick with lower peak capability (scouting report worthy), than Jordan's 6 chips[/QUOTE]

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