How credible is a Steph Curry GOAT case?

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14936253]Lebron wasn’t really boosting offenses to that level

Here is on off data from 538 from the last decade
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Here are the numbers sorted by Total adjusted plus minus
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You mentioned BPM. I’m personally not a fan. It’s too heavily influenced by box score and the creator of the stat has admitted himself that DPBM should not be used at all really, he never was able to work out the flaws in the stat defensively. A big reason is because it utilizes box score information so much and as we all know box score information does a very poor job at telling us what happened defensively.[/QUOTE]

This thing has Harden above LeBron & KD. :lol

It also only goes back to 2014, it leaves out the numbers from peak LeBron.

Would love to see LeBron's numbers in 2009 when he led an underwhelming roster to the #4 offense. Or 2013 when he was a menace all year offensively.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14936253]Lebron wasn’t really boosting offenses to that level

Here is on off data from 538 from the last decade
[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/ZYxP4trg/IMG-4058.jpg[/IMG]

Here are the numbers sorted by Total adjusted plus minus
[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/LXKHyW5B/IMG-4059.jpg[/IMG]




You mentioned BPM. I’m personally not a fan. It’s too heavily influenced by box score and the creator of the stat has admitted himself that DPBM should not be used at all really, he never was able to work out the flaws in the stat defensively. A big reason is because it utilizes box score information so much and as we all know box score information does a very poor job at telling us what happened defensively.[/QUOTE]


Incredible data.

And I'm not surprised at all that Curry and Jokic are at the top. Anybody with a brain can see that their impact is totally next level both in terms of individual production and, most importantly, team enhancement.

Lebron has the individual production but not the team enhancement. Which is why he ranks so much lower.

If you look at the playoff H2H records too this is validated once again. Both Curry and Jokic hold enormous W/L records vs Lebron.

It's a simpleton argument.

Lebrons TEAMS are 2-3 in playoff series against Steph's teams. That's not a big deal.

It's even more of a nothing burger when you factor in Lebron played one of those series without his #2 and #3 options and 2017 and 2018 was against possibly the best team ever assembled. No shame losing to that with one of those years having your #3 and #4 options being JR Smith and George Hill and your #2 option only doing 15 a game on 39 percent shooting. He dragged that 2018 team to the finals. Of course the best team assembled of the last almost 3 decades was going to beat that Cavs team. There was nothing Lebron could have done to win that 2018 title. Did you want him to average 45/15/10 on 65 TS? It's just a very weak argument to use this against Lebron in a Curry debate. Doesn't pass the basic logic test

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You can watch for yourself. It has every Durant highlight in there of the finals. Very very very few points were scored "because" of Curry. It was Durant scoring the way he always has, whether playing in OKC or Brooklyn.

[QUOTE=Carbine;14936280][url]https://youtu.be/XE-BFmWb9f8?si=8ckO8L39zxzqBuxZ[/url]

You can watch for yourself. It has every Durant highlight in there of the finals. Very very very few points were scored "because" of Curry. It was Durant scoring the way he always has, whether playing in OKC or Brooklyn.[/QUOTE]


What you don't see is more important than what you do see in that vid. What you don't see is Durant getting doubled which happened to Curry routinely, sometimes when he didn't even have the ball. If Durant beat his man, which isn't tough for him, he got an easy look because help was slow to come or non existent.

What does curry do on defense that can be considered noteworthy whenever his opponents have the ball? I don't seem to recall any. He isn't exactly what you can call very clutch in the playoffs either.

[QUOTE=Axe;14936305]What does curry do on defense that can be considered noteworthy whenever his opponents have the ball? I don't seem to recall any. He isn't exactly what you can call very clutch in the playoffs either.[/QUOTE]

What is it with you and RRR3 copying my avatar? In your case, a smiling version.

Is it the Hot Pockets?

Oof autistic alert. :eek:

[QUOTE=Axe;14936307]Oof autistic alert. :eek:[/QUOTE]

You're better off with an avatar of a whale, or an elephant. Or hippopotamus, like CavaliersFTW currently has.

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Where are your ankles?

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Where are your ankles?[/QUOTE]

very interesting. you're replying to axe within 4-6minutes. your obsession with him is escalating as if it wasn't already at an extreme level, now you're accosting him in the NBA forum.

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Axe you got to use the exact same avatar so people think you're him, that's what makes him the most mad.

This one:[IMG]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/image.php?u=83917&dateline=1558475545[/IMG]