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[QUOTE=Manny98;14939495]Like I said overhyped by the media
Flagg is different he actually has shown levels of talent we have not seen in a prospect for the past 25 years[/QUOTE]
Harold Miner
Isiah Rider
Jerry Stackhose
I think they stopped after that and overlooked the real next MJ, Kobe and the next real other superstar, Allen Iverson.
Don't look for the next Lebron, look for the next themselves.
Good breakdown video of his game for those who are not familiar
[video=youtube_share;SKMtlv3DjfE]https://youtu.be/SKMtlv3DjfE?si=mrsFMmePEjZhlaig[/video]
He's an all nba level defender at the age of 17 and has good upside offensively
I think Cooper Flagg is going to be the white Kevin Garnett.
It's not a 1 to 1 in play style, but the combination of insane athleticism and length, open floor ability and versatility is very similar.
Coop is going to be the same kind of player, the ultimate help defender, the ultimate second option of offense, exactly like Garnett.
AD is another good comparison, but Coop seems to be more of a big SF than a PF/C like AD.
Clifford Robinson type.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14945274]I think Cooper Flagg is going to be the white Kevin Garnett.
It's not a 1 to 1 in play style, but the combination of insane athleticism and length, open floor ability and versatility is very similar.
Coop is going to be the same kind of player, the ultimate help defender, the ultimate second option of offense, exactly like Garnett.
AD is another good comparison, but Coop seems to be more of a big SF than a PF/C like AD.
Clifford Robinson type.[/QUOTE]
If hes actually as long as KG then I could see this comparison making sense. My guess would be hes not but I could be wrong.
I wish the NBA posted definitive measurements people could actually take seriously. But alas...
New video from No Ceilings breaking down Cooper Flagg's game:
[video=youtube;2aY7jYXqF_I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aY7jYXqF_I[/video]
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14945274]I think Cooper Flagg is going to be the white Kevin Garnett.
It's not a 1 to 1 in play style, but the combination of insane athleticism and length, open floor ability and versatility is very similar.
Coop is going to be the same kind of player, the ultimate help defender, the ultimate second option of offense, exactly like Garnett.
AD is another good comparison, but Coop seems to be more of a big SF than a PF/C like AD.
Clifford Robinson type.[/QUOTE]
I agree with the general archetype sentiment.
Some interesting comparisons:
- Wing-sized young Anthony Davis
- Marion/KG mix
- Wing-sized KG
- AK47 with on-ball upside (shooting, ball handling, etc)
- Marion with on-ball upside (shooting, ball handling, etc)
- Tatum on offense; AK47 on defense
- Tatum/AK47 mix
- High IQ Josh Smith with on-ball upside (shooting, ball handling, etc)
- Longer, more athletic Shane Battier with on-ball upside (shooting, ball handling, etc)
[QUOTE=Neal Romer;14945281]If hes actually as long as KG then I could see this comparison making sense. My guess would be hes not but I could be wrong.
I wish the NBA posted definitive measurements people could actually take seriously. But alas...[/QUOTE]
They made it mandatory for draftees to take part in the NBA Combine. It's why we got measurements from everyone this year. Who knows what Cooper's numbers will look like? My safe estimates:
- 6'7" to 6'8" barefoot height
- 6'8.25" to 6'9.25" height in shoes
- 7'0" to 7'3" wingspan
- 8'11" to 9'2" standing reach
- 210 to 215 pounds
- 30" to 35" standing vertical leap
- 35" to 40" max vertical leap
- 11'10" to 12'6" max reach
Back in 2014, Jokic measured in at 6'11" in shoes, a 7'3" wingspan, and a 9'3" standing reach. Nikola's bodily proportions (relative limb length, hand size, and clavicle width) look similar to Cooper's. Easier to see when Jokic was at a lower body weight.
I wouldn't be surprised if he measures in at a 2" smaller version of that: 6'9" in shoes, 7'1" wingspan, 9'1" standing reach.
I don't need to watch a lot to see that Coop is extremely long and athletic.
He's also taller than you think, my guess is 6'9'' barefoot and 6'10'' in shoes.
Weight: 230lbs.
This guy is a lot more athletic than people think. He has a similar build to Dirk Nowitsky except more athletic.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14945274]I think Cooper Flagg is going to be the white Kevin Garnett.
It's not a 1 to 1 in play style, but the combination of insane athleticism and length, open floor ability and versatility is very similar.
Coop is going to be the same kind of player, the ultimate help defender, the ultimate second option of offense, exactly like Garnett.
AD is another good comparison, but Coop seems to be more of a big SF than a PF/C like AD.
Clifford Robinson type.[/QUOTE]
I like the "White Kevin Garnett" comparison
I can see him putting up around 24/10/6 in his prime winning multiple dpoy awards
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14945334]I don't need to watch a lot to see that Coop is extremely long and athletic.
He's also taller than you think, my guess is 6'9'' barefoot and 6'10'' in shoes.
Weight: 230lbs.
This guy is a lot more athletic than people think. He has a similar build to Dirk Nowitsky except more athletic.[/QUOTE]
I think 6'9" barefoot is probably pushing it per his photos with 6'8" barefoot Jayson Tatum and 6'7.25" LeBron James:
[img]https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2160629898/photo/las-vegas-nv-chip-engelland-jayson-tatum-of-the-usab-mens-team-cooper-flagg-of-the-usab-mens.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=8MArazMFhaNktmFAo19nYrdPO83JIVCMLbSKUmX9CyI=[/img]
[img]https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2160615534/photo/las-vegas-nv-cooper-flagg-of-the-usab-mens-selects-team-greets-lebron-james-of-the-usab-mens.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=6a8NiZMKeRNmHB6zRaAJ7DtpJXhm2xPZvCYP2OH45X0=[/img]
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14945349]I think 6'9" barefoot is probably pushing it per his photos with 6'8" barefoot Jayson Tatum and 6'7.25" LeBron James:
[img]https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2160629898/photo/las-vegas-nv-chip-engelland-jayson-tatum-of-the-usab-mens-team-cooper-flagg-of-the-usab-mens.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=8MArazMFhaNktmFAo19nYrdPO83JIVCMLbSKUmX9CyI=[/img]
[img]https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2160615534/photo/las-vegas-nv-cooper-flagg-of-the-usab-mens-selects-team-greets-lebron-james-of-the-usab-mens.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=6a8NiZMKeRNmHB6zRaAJ7DtpJXhm2xPZvCYP2OH45X0=[/img][/QUOTE]
[IMG]https://www.sportsknot.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/jpeg-optimizer_81863047.0.jpg[/IMG]
I know pics are never precise but Flagg's shoulders look about a half inch to an inch higher than Bron's. KG's are like 3 inches higher at least. Plus the arm itself is probably longer.
I agree KG is probably the best comparison for who Flagg played like in high school. But hes not gonna have that length advantage at the NBA level unless hes still growing. So I dont see him being a major paint protector as a pro.
Hard to see anyone else getting multiple DPoY awards in what is going to be the Wembanyama era. Flagg seems like he will be very good, possibly even great, but Wembanyama distorts the game with his length and agility. If his coaches can get him to stop shooting threes or he becomes good at shooting threes I don't see how Flagg is ever a better player than him but Flagg could be a perennial top 10 or top 5 guy, which should still be a great career.
Here's a slowed-down GIF of Cooper standing close to 6'8.75" barefoot Bam Adebayo:
[img]https://i.ibb.co/x6nLGzL/94impn.gif[/img]
And at the free-throw line:
[img]https://i.ibb.co/ZMLHqrP/94iptw.gif[/img]
[img]https://i.ibb.co/sCcgRtF/94iqx9.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14945356]Here's a slowed-down GIF of Cooper standing close to 6'8.75" barefoot Bam Adebayo:
[img]https://i.ibb.co/x6nLGzL/94impn.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Yep. The shoulder height difference is pretty clear.
Size-wise Flagg is more of a big wing than a 'big.' Obviously it's still possible to look like one and play like the other. But I just see Flagg as more of a Franz Wagner at the NBA level. Which isnt a knock, Wagner's a very good player. I just dont see what aspect Flagg is going to DOMINATE in, based on his size/game at present. But he hasnt even played in college yet so theres still plenty left to learn about how he'll project.
Found a really good shot:
[img]https://i.ibb.co/brW9d57/94it8m.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Neal Romer;14945363]Yep. The shoulder height difference is pretty clear.
[B]Size-wise Flagg is more of a big wing than a 'big.'[/B] Obviously it's still possible to look like one and play like the other. But I just see Flagg as more of a Franz Wagner at the NBA level. Which isnt a knock, Wagner's a very good player. I just dont see what aspect Flagg is going to DOMINATE in, based on his size/game at present. But he hasnt even played in college yet so theres still plenty left to learn about how he'll project.[/QUOTE]
This was my initial off the bat take as well. Thats why I was talking about him not bulking too much and try to be a pippen like player.
If he has the athleticism to pull it off it will be better for him to be a large wing rather than an undersized big man.
Can slide between both forward spots and be able to switch on big men when needed
Im thinking that is where he wants to be.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14945355]Hard to see anyone else getting multiple DPoY awards in what is going to be the Wembanyama era. Flagg seems like he will be very good, possibly even great, but Wembanyama distorts the game with his length and agility. If his coaches can get him to stop shooting threes or he becomes good at shooting threes I don't see how Flagg is ever a better player than him but Flagg could be a perennial top 10 or top 5 guy, which should still be a great career.[/QUOTE]
Can wemby defend 1-5 at an elite level and switch onto any position?
Wemby is a fantastic rim protector and will win multiple DPOY but Flagg has demonstrated defensive versatility and impact that we've never seen from a 17 year old