MJ dunks over Hakeem

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14944589]You don't actually think Bosh was better than Pippen, do you.[/QUOTE]

It’s a lot closer than some would think. Bosh was way more skilled. Pippen had better energy and defense I guess?

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14944604]Wade basically won by himself??..... extremely dumb

Scottie won more playoff games in 1 season as first option than Bosh did in his first 7 seasons combined.[/QUOTE]

How many playoff games is Scottie winning on those Raptor teams?


No seriously, no ducking, give us a number.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14944618]It’s a lot closer than some would think. Bosh was way more skilled. Pippen had better energy and defense I guess?



How many playoff games is Scottie winning on those Raptor teams?


No seriously, no ducking, give us a number.[/QUOTE]

So you're saying the 24ppg Bosh achieved (your favorite thing you praise him for) was done on a garbage team?

WOW.... never seen a player do that before him, huh??

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14944619]So you're saying the 24ppg Bosh achieved (your favorite thing you praise him for) was done on a garbage team?

WOW.... never seen a player do that before him, huh??[/QUOTE]

never seen scottie do it lol

but that’s what I thought chico, you couldn’t even give us a number. lol

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14944618]It’s a lot closer than some would think.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

Imagine being someone who calls Hakeem scared and slow-footed. :facepalm

Short of maybe Garnett, Hakeem is literally the fastest big in the modern era in terms of the ground he could cover on defense and he got posterized a lot precisely because he was never scared to go up and challenge dunkers.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14944623]Imagine being someone who calls Hakeem scared and slow-footed. :facepalm

Short of maybe Garnett, Hakeem is literally the fastest big in the modern era in terms of the ground he could cover on defense and he got posterized a lot precisely because he was never scared to go up and challenge dunkers.[/QUOTE]

Why are you surprised given it's OP? Here is OP's classic playbook.

When comparing MJ to his peers, his peers "suck", but then when comparing those same "peers" to Lebron, those peers are suddenly "hall of fame superstars".

OP is just a pathetic troll.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14944620]never seen scottie do it lol

but that’s what I thought chico, you couldn’t even give us a number. lol[/QUOTE]

Pippen given 7yrs to win more than 3 playoff games? I like my betting chances.

At least you admit Bosh's 24ppg doesn't mean shit on a garbage team.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14944627]Pippen given 7yrs to win more than 3 playoff games? I like my betting chances.

At least you admit Bosh's 24ppg doesn't mean shit on a garbage team.[/QUOTE]

Individual stats and accolades don’t matter unless you win I guess?

Well that settles it, MJ > Lebron.

Nighty night.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14944618]It’s a lot closer than some would think. Bosh was way more skilled. Pippen had better energy and defense I guess?



How many playoff games is Scottie winning on those Raptor teams?


No seriously, no ducking, give us a number.[/QUOTE]
Bosh is a marginally better scorer, he had the green light on shit teams and only cracked 23 ppg once, and he's clearly a better shooter as well. But the other major facets of the game like defense & playmaking, Pippen frankly blows him away.

Those Raptor teams were bad but if you swap '91-'95 Pippen with '06-'10 Bosh, there's no way he's only winning 33 & 27 games like Bosh was in some of those seasons. I think he'd have the Raptors in the playoffs, esp in the East, on a regular basis. How he fares in the playoffs is anybody's guess, but I'm betting pretty confidently on the over of 3 playoff wins.

I know he's caught up in the LeBron agenda, but you just overrate Bosh if you really think he's in Pippen's tier, Pip is clearly the better and more impactful player of the two.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14944629]Individual stats and accolades don’t matter unless you win I guess?

Well that settles it, MJ > Lebron.

Nighty night.[/QUOTE]

LOL... we're talking about winning more than 3 postseason games, in 7yrs, on a garbage team, which obviously refers to the first round.

Your kick is no good due to moving the goalpost.

[QUOTE]
It’s a lot closer than some would think. Bosh was way more skilled. Pippen had better energy and defense I guess?

[/QUOTE]

No he wasn’t. Bosh is a far worse ball handler, passer, and didn’t have range off the dribble. He was a better spot up 18 foot shooter(and 3 at the very end) but he wasn’t one to dribble into a long range shot. He was a faceup mismatch on many bigs but he wasn’t some overwhelming scorer for a guy who had people talk about his scoring.

A lot of troll posts give people a weird idea of how Pippen actually scored. You’d think he scored 20 a game on transition dunks. There aren’t enough fast breaks in the world to score as much as he did. And if there were a tremendous number of athletes don’t use them to score that much.

Darius Miles couldn’t just run to 20 a game. Nobody could back then either.

At the end of a game Bosh and Pippen are gonna have the same 18-22 for the most part. Pippen is just gonna run his offense and help others a lot more while they do it.

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Hey Yo be bullshittin

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[U]1998 Playoffs vs Pacers[/U]

Kemp........ 26.0 on 47% (carrying Big Z)
Pippen'...... 16.6 on 39% (carried by MJ)



[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14944608]You’re in a thread where someone is using game scores from a [B]4 game sample[/B] for one guy and VORP from the two stars to make the argument that one supporting cast is superior to another.

I think it’s safe to say that you can take everything said here with a grain of salt..[/QUOTE]


It isn't a 4 game sample - Pippen played in 6 Finals and 35 Finals games, yet he still never matched Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals...

Pippen is 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so the point is that IT'S A LOW BAR to find comparable talents and caliber to Pippen because Pippen's best performance wasn't much.. He was mostly a transition player/dunker, so this low peak capability "wasn't on scouting reports", according to Shaq, Kenny Smith, Isiah, Laimbeer, Chuck Daly, Reggie Miller, Barkley and others (let me know if you need sources for any of these).

So that's the point of comparing Pippen's performance against the same competition that others faced - tons of guys such as Horry, X-Man, Miller or Kemp can easily destroy Pippen's performance against the exact same comp.. Of course, we know that Pippen's ineptness for 3 straight seasons to start his career cost MJ 3 titles.. This matters because Horry was a double-digit starter as a rookie, while being the 2nd-best player on a champion in Year 2 and playing better than Pippen ever played in Year 3 (95' Finals) - all of this is far better than Pippen's first 3 years, so that's how bad PIppen was.. Nearly anyone could've replaced him and won with MJ.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14944670].

It isn't a 4 game sample [/QUOTE]

The 1995 finals was 4 games. So yes, Robert Horry's data sample is exactly that.