Trump kicks Zelensky out of the White House.

[QUOTE=Media Moderator;14982341]This is horrible for Zelensky. Europe will have to come to his rescue or else Ukraine risks losing all those people and having a war ravaged country for nothing. If Europe doesn't help him he's probably going to lose more land than he would have if he had negotiated with Putin and avoided war completely. In which case he will go down as one of the worst leaders ever.

Even if he didn't agree with Trump, he should have kept his mouth shut for the good of his people but apparently his ego moves him more than his compassion for Ukraine's women and children[/QUOTE]

That guy never cared for his citizens. He does photo ops to prop his country up while he is hiding in some bunker or in America begging for money.

[QUOTE=Media Moderator;14982341]This is horrible for Zelensky. Europe will have to come to his rescue or else Ukraine risks losing all those people and having a war ravaged country for nothing. If Europe doesn't help him he's probably going to lose more land than he would have if he had negotiated with Putin and avoided war completely. In which case he will go down as one of the worst leaders ever.

Even if he didn't agree with Trump, he should have kept his mouth shut for the good of his people but apparently his ego moves him more than his compassion for Ukraine's women and children[/QUOTE]


He has no right for demands.. if you come to a country who try to help you and already give you most of all countries put together, first thing you say is thank you for everything you have already done for me to be alive and here today. Not like this

The deal was good for everyone. American get something for investment he get money because mineral money shared and protection

But he no want to admit he lost land and make peace deal. This is fallacy that get him killed and lose war

Trump really humiliated Zelensky from start to finish. The Kremlin is laughing at this.

[QUOTE=Gudo;14982330]So nice to bully when you have the upper hand. Let's see Vance do that to Putin.[/QUOTE]

Let's say you're right. Vance is still just the VP. Even if you hate Trump, you have to admit Zelensky was incredibly stupid to draw the ire of Trump by promising him that our country will be invaded soon. Trump was kinda just watching them both go at it up until then.

[QUOTE=Gudo;14982330]So nice to bully when you have the upper hand. Let's see Vance do that to Putin.[/QUOTE]

Let's say you're right. Vance is still just the VP. Even if you hate Trump, you have to admit Zelensky was incredibly stupid to draw the ire of Trump by promising him that our country will be invaded soon. Trump was kinda just watching them both go at it up until then.

[QUOTE=brownmamba00;14982348]Trump really humiliated Zelensky from start to finish. The Kremlin is laughing at this.[/QUOTE]

sure. much in the same way that inviting over someone to dinner and ambushing them with low brow questions and attacking them verbally.

the rest of the world will see this and will be driven away from meeting trump in the white house. this is actually terrible for the US. it's tarnishing the reputation of the white house's history for making deals with foreign leaders and businesses.

[QUOTE=highwhey;14982356]sure. much in the same way that inviting over someone to dinner and ambushing them with low brow questions and attacking them verbally.

the rest of the world will see this and will be driven away from meeting trump in the white house. this is actually terrible for the US. it's tarnishing the reputation of the white house's history for making deals with foreign leaders and businesses.[/QUOTE]


This Beaner now care about reputation. What about your foot? You being not accepted to nursing school? Being uber driver? Your 300lb obesity? What kind of reputation that?

i'm not quite sure what a lot of you guys are arguing for at this point. ukraine has no chance of winning this war short of us putting troops on the ground. in that scenario, if we were to begin to pushing putin back and ultimately taking back ukraine, putin would use the threat of nuclear attacks against ukraine because moscow sees this conflict as being existential to their country. so this is a lose/lose situation for ukraine and it may as well end now while, as trump said, zelensky still has somewhat of a country left. we never should have gotten ukraine into this mess. this is OUR fault (as well as europe's).

so if you're arguing for more war, you're just arguing for more death and destruction with zero return on investment. it's over.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14982374]i'm not quite sure what a lot of you guys are arguing for at this point. ukraine has no chance of winning this war short of us putting troops on the ground. in that scenario, if we were to begin to pushing putin back and ultimately taking back ukraine, putin would use the threat of nuclear attacks against ukraine because moscow sees this conflict as being existential to their country. so this is a lose/lose situation for ukraine and it may as well end now while, as trump said, zelensky still has somewhat of a country left. we never should have gotten ukraine into this mess. this is OUR fault (as well as europe's).

so if you're arguing for more war, you're just arguing for more death and destruction with zero return on investment. it's over.[/QUOTE]

It's pretty simple. Most of US' wealth comes from its involvement in WW2 and build their economy through building a huge economic partner in Europe.

At the moment China is starting to overtake this block and it doesn't give a big enough shit about the US. At the same time the US is alienating Europe und leaving Ukraine to Putin opens a gate to Europe for him. He'll try how far he can go. Step by step.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14982381]It's pretty simple. Most of US' wealth comes from its involvement in WW2 and build their economy through building a huge economic partner in Europe.

At the moment China is starting to overtake this block and it doesn't give a big enough shit about the US. At the same time the US is alienating Europe und leaving Ukraine to Putin opens a gate to Europe for him. He'll try how far he can go. Step by step.[/QUOTE]

like i said in the other thread, there's no evidence to suggest that putin has ambitions beyond ukraine (or even taking the [I]entirety [/I]of ukraine). putin has neither the military nor the economy to undertake a task of that a scale. do you realize how many millions of troops he would need to not only conquer but occupy these eastern european countries? he would need well over a million alone just for ukraine. i'm sorry but this is a ridiculous argument. show me the evidence and make a case for it because i'm open to listening. i've made my case for nato expansion a number of times and provided a timeline of events to back it up.

what we should be doing is normalizing relations with russia and in the process driving a wedge between them and china. china is our real peer competitor - it's not russia.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14982381]It's pretty simple. Most of US' wealth comes from its involvement in WW2 and build their economy through building a huge economic partner in Europe.

At the moment China is starting to overtake this block and it doesn't give a big enough shit about the US. At the same time the US is alienating Europe und leaving Ukraine to Putin opens a gate to Europe for him. He'll try how far he can go. Step by step.[/QUOTE]

There will be plenty of Trump's coming soon to Europe. The youth there are increasingly becoming more right wing. That should be worrying because the youth should always be more liberal, most will inherently become even more right wing as they age

[QUOTE=diamenz;14982384]like i said in the other thread, there's no evidence to suggest that putin has ambitions beyond ukraine (or even taking the [I]entirety [/I]of ukraine). putin has neither the military nor the economy to undertake a task of that a scale. do you realize how many millions of troops he would need to not only conquer but occupy these eastern european countries? he would need well over a million alone just for ukraine. i'm sorry but this is a ridiculous argument. show me the evidence and make a case for it because i'm open to listening. i've made my case for nato expansion a number of times and provided a timeline of events to back it up.

what we should be doing is normalizing relations with russia and in the process driving a wedge between them and china. china is our real peer competitor - it's not russia.[/QUOTE]

I replied to that already. He openly made threats to a handfull of countries, but that, as you say, is not as worrisome as his "softpower" through vassals and online influence.

[QUOTE=Media Moderator;14982385]There will be plenty of Trump's coming soon to Europe. The youth there are increasingly becoming more right wing. That should be worrying because the youth should always be more liberal, most will inherently become even more right wing as they age[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Europe is in the 1920s phase all over again.

[QUOTE=Jasper;14982305][video=youtube;1S2jxEi7TBs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S2jxEi7TBs[/video]

Trump fixing the war in 24 hours ....

:roll::roll::roll:[/QUOTE]




7:25 mark is Comedy Gold.

"What if anything... What if a bomb drops on your head right now"


wow... that was good.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14982388]Yeah, Europe is in the 1920s phase all over again.[/QUOTE]
And history will remember people on media moderator's side just as badly as they remembered them last time. But they're too stupid to realize this.