Supreme Court rules that Trump can continue his deportation plans

I knew a dude who was brought to the Bay Area from Mexico as an infant. Never became nationalized or a US citizen. Never was taught or spoke Spanish either. Basically raised as an illegal but completely Americanized.

Dude got involved in gangs as a teenager and ended up in getting busted in Arizona for something. AZ straight up drove him across the border and dropped him off. Dude spoke no Spanish and was a northerner with no real connection to Mexico. lol. Shits tough.

This was 25 years ago.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14995391]That's a lot of words to try and deflect from the fact that your hero doesn't respect due process. No one has rights besides Dump and his goons eh? That's what you want? That'll end well :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

What does due process look like in this case, him getting to choose which country he's deported to? What if the country of his choosing doesn't want him?

The only due process RRR3 knows is what he has to do when someone doesn’t return their library book on time

[QUOTE=diamenz;14995342]no no no no no - that's not the point i'm trying to make here. i understand the fact that he's not a us citizen. when i responded to your post i was under the assumption that the facts of this case were already established.

...garcia did indeed come into this country illegally, however - his legal status at the time and leading up to his deportation by the trump administration was not classified as illegal. according to court filings he had a legally legitimate asylum claim and therefore had protective status to remain in the country. the trump administration, using the executive power of the alien whatever act (can't recall it's proper title), bypassed these court orders to not only deport garcia but in effect shipped him off to a third world prison where, and i'm hoping you can agree with me here, has very little chance at being given his day in court for crimes that he may indeed have or may not have committed.

so do you understand the point that i'm making here, the precedent that it sets and the implications that it has the potential of bringing. a trump admin official even acknowledged the fact that this was indeed a mistake and was subsequently fired. that outta tell you something or at the very least raise some questions in the back of your mind.

now the reason this case is important and the reason the trump administration is fighting it tooth & nail is because once you open the door to bringing people back from el salvador it ruins their strategy to be able to send people there without due process. due process, or rather the rule of law, by the way, which is the cornerstone of western civilization. without it, where do we stand? so again to reitterate, while he wasn't a us citizen, he had legal status under court order which was subsequently overriden by the president to not only deport him but strip him of his right to his day and court and be held to account for any supposed crimes. this outta concern you.

so let the courts decide what crimes this guy is guilty of. i don't give a shit about him otherwise. but you can't override his (and most importantly [B]our[/B]) rights and ship him out on a plane to a third world prison indefinitely.

and in regard to the tatts - on upon closer inspection of the symbols the correlation to the letters ms13 do make sense now so i was wrong in that regard. my bad.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but no matter how many times you say "rule of law", the fact is they don't belong here. They aren't citizens so the law applies differently. They aren't entitled to the same protections and same privileges. If he's MIS-13 that means he's part of a foreign terrorist organization, which makes him ineligible for legal status to begin with.

Obviously we don't want good and honest getting lost in the shuffle, but so far the only people I see being shipped out are MS-13 affiliated gang members who snuck in and don't belong here. So what the fukk why are we even fighting over this.

Even if we did detain them here, the "due process" people would just be shouting "concentration camps" instead. There's no winning.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14995426]What does due process look like in this case, him getting to choose which country he's deported to? What if the country of his choosing doesn't want him?[/QUOTE]
Dude already told you what due process was why are you asking me questions about stuff diamenz already detailed.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14995485]

, but so far the only people I see being shipped out are MS-13 affiliated gang members who snuck in and don't belong here

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you've probed around and researched this in an honest and unbiased way to ensure this fact and you're not just taking the white house and it's cohorts in the media at face value i assume?

furthermore, do you look at the trump administration with the same amount of skepticism and doubt as you did the biden administration or would any other democrat in office?

let's be honest - you couldn't criticize or call out trump if you tried, could you? i can stand here and say *uck trump and *uck biden both. i take it issue by issue - not color to color or left to right. i doubt everything from any administration. to what extent can you say the same thing?

[QUOTE=Baller234;14995485]

Even if we did detain them here, [B]the "due process" people would just be shouting "concentration camps" [/B]instead. There's no winning.[/quote]

so? why worry about what the peanut gallery has to say and more importantly, why get hung up on it?

[QUOTE=diamenz;14995497]you've probed around and researched this in an honest and unbiased way to ensure this fact and you're not just taking the white house and it's cohorts in the media at face value i assume?

furthermore, do you look at the trump administration with the same amount of skepticism and doubt as you did the biden administration or would any other democrat in office?

let's be honest - you couldn't criticize or call out trump if you tried, could you? i can stand here and say *uck trump and *uck biden both. i take it issue by issue - not color to color or left to right. i doubt everything from any administration. to what extent can you say the same thing?

so? why worry about what the peanut gallery has to say and more importantly, why get hung up on it?[/QUOTE]

I am skeptical of everyone at all times. That includes Trump. Just because I voted for him does not mean I unequivocally support everything he says and does. I'm well aware of what he is but more importantly I'm well aware of what he's not. Trump is NOT the anti-christ. When you approach the conversation from that vantage point it's much easier to have a rational discussion.

As for how do I know there aren't any good and honest people getting sent to El-Salvador? Well let's see, the democrats and the anti-Trump cult is foaming at the mouth for a mascot and yet with all their resources and investigative journalism so far all they have is Krazy Kilmar the violent wife beating MS-13 gang member. I think that's pretty telling.

I care about what the peanut gallery has to say because it sways public opinion. They already have people like you repeating "due process". As if that's what's really keeping you up at night. As if anyone honestly thinks Trump is just going to start violating everyone's human and civil rights because he wants to get the gang members out.

Accusing Diamenz of being brainwashed by Democrats is pretty obvious proof you're the one who is actually brainwashed to anyone who's not in the cult lol. Diamenz is a conservative, just because he doesn't like your hero doesn't mean he's a democrat. In fact you guys probably agree on a ton. But only 100% devotion will do in the cult.

Jesus Christ you're so stupid you have me defending a dumbass racist in diamenz.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14995506]Jesus Christ you're so stupid you have me defending a dumbass racist in diamenz.[/QUOTE]
I don't recall any post from diamenz that I would consider racist :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=TheMan;14995509]I don't recall any post from diamenz that I would consider racist :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
He admitted to not liking black people dawg just ask him.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14995506]Jesus Christ you're so stupid you have me defending a dumbass racist in diamenz.[/QUOTE]

Hey hey now I don't want any trouble. I don't wanna get banned.

I'm tired of this coddling of fascist's feelings. The El Salvador camp is a Concentration Camp.

1) does it have inhumane and inadequate facilities? yes

2) Forced labor and/[B]OR[/B] awaiting mass execution? yes. Look into their "Zero Idleness" program and tell me what that means.

It's a concentration camp whether you want to cry about it or not. Objectively, it's not a debate. Feelings over facts, guys.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14995502]I am skeptical of everyone at all times. That includes Trump. Just because I voted for him does not mean I unequivocally support everything he says and does. I'm well aware of what he is but more importantly I'm well aware of what he's not. Trump is NOT the anti-christ. When you approach the conversation from that vantage point it's much easier to have a rational discussion.

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this includes willingly and thoroughly calling out trump on this bullshit in regard to policy when it's warranted i assume?

[QUOTE=Baller234;14995502]As for how do I know there aren't any good and honest people getting sent to El-Salvador? Well let's see, the democrats and the anti-Trump cult is foaming at the mouth for a mascot and yet with all their resources and investigative journalism so far all they have is Krazy Kilmar the violent wife beating MS-13 gang member. I think that's pretty telling.[/QUOTE]

lol. that's no way to go about digesting a subject from multiple sources across the political spectrum, analyzing the angles and coming to your own conclusion as to what the truth really is or most likely to be and you're wise enough to know that.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14995502]I care about what the peanut gallery has to say because it sways public opinion. They already have people like you repeating "due process". As if that's what's really keeping you up at night. [/QUOTE]

ah so that's the way you see me and my thoughts on this subject. i'm just another mindless npc scoffing up red cnn meat because i'm calling out trump and now you. i see it team. true colors.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14995502]As if anyone honestly thinks Trump is just going to start violating everyone's human and civil rights because he wants to get the gang members out.[/QUOTE]

that's not the point. you've entirely missed the point.

i digress. the reason i bring all of this up is because ever since trump entered office i've witnessed people here (and everywhere) on the right go from questioning, calling out and diminishing the biden administration (with good reason - don't get me wrong) to turning into varying degrees of good little willingly-gullible npc's that obey and nod their heads to every move he makes and every word he says. either that or twist themselves into pretzels to defend him. unwilling to call shit out as if they'll be smiten. i'm honestly starting to think they're not even aware they're doing this. either way it's *ucking insufferable. yeah, yeah, yeah i know - miss me with " well the other side does the same thing"... i'm well aware if that. we saw it for the last four years. but y'all claim to be the adults in the room. "when you grow up you become conservative" you all say. well start *ucking acting like it. i'm done.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14995496]Dude already told you what due process was why are you asking me questions about stuff diamenz already detailed.[/QUOTE]

yeah that troll job was directed at exactly you and i figured you'd fall for it hook line & sinker. sure enough.