Two Israeli embassy staffers killed by a Pro-Palestian

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008440][B]I'm sure there are cases of insurance companies trying to weasel out of having to cover certain expenses. [/B]

That doesn't mean you have a right to shoot the CEO in the back of the head.[/QUOTE]

Again, no I don't think it's right to kill someone.

BUT...no it's not just SOME cases of insurance companies weaseling out of paying. With UHC in particular it's been an ongoing trend of creating difficult-to-meet and sometimes completely unfeasible standards in order to pay out. I went to a seminar a few months ago led by a panel of healthcare leaders in the Atlanta area and it was centered around denials. One of these leaders mentioned the discrepancies they would always have between acute and post-acute care. Very frequently the main hospital would run full and they would have to transfer viable acute patients over to a nearby post-acute rehab hospital to receive treatment, and although they were still receiving acute care based on all documentation, insurance claims would be denied because they were [I]technically[/I] housed in a post-acute facility. Can you guess who the main culprit of this was?

These stays are incredibly expensive too and not only does it potentially financially cripple the patients, but it hamstrings the hospital systems too who ethically won't deny care if patients can't pay out of pocket.

They were also the main culprit of the whole pre-existing conditions fiasco a few years back.

Shit like this needs to change and that's why I'm all for federally funded healthcare programs. Yes, premiums are more expensive but grounds for claims payment are FAR less stringent. If these existed for healthy 30-year-olds, premiums wouldn't be like they are now for the over 65 group either.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008440]I'm sure there are cases of insurance companies trying to weasel out of having to cover certain expenses.

That doesn't mean you have a right to shoot the CEO in the back of the head.[/QUOTE]

they literally exist to do so. it's how they cash out. you know this.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008426]You think human beings are entitled to low cost health insurance?

That's a very interesting stance to take in the same post where you discuss people eating McDonald's everyday.[/QUOTE]


why not? people should be free to whatever they want - it's their choice. free country. where's the libertarian in you? they wanna kill themselves at thirty? *uck it, one less unhealthy mother*ucker. that doesn't mean well meaning people should also get ripped of by for=profit insurance. it's a racket, do you not agree with that much?

give people the free to do what they want at the expense of a healthier and more productive country. i agree with everything rfk said the other day - we need to incentivize vfat, lazy people to make better decisions with their health but we pay for shit everyu day with our tax dollars on shit that we don't even know exists. there's so much more in washington that we should be cutting than passing health care reform. cutting the pentagon and ending foreign wars and aid is just a start off the top of my head.

have you seen the budget bill that house republicans passed? it's another massive transfer of wealth to the top. after what we saw with covid how can anyone agree with this? it's *ucking massive. our priorities are all rearranged and we're so caught up in the bullshit while dc corruption laughs all of the way to the bank. the gravy train keeps on moving.

our congress is a shitshow. i wish they'd all die in a plane crash.

@diamenz

If someone wants to kill themselves at 30 because they do drugs and don't watch their diet, sure that is their right, but now they are also potentially huge drains on the system. When the morbidly obese patient checks into the hospital, it's going to cost a lot of money to treat that person.

If I own a health insurance company, I should not be forced to take on every high risk customer. They are not legally obligated to my services, not if I think they're going to be a net negative.

Now if you're advocating for a taxpayer funded system, the same problem still arises. It's not like we have infinite money and infinite resources. You can't guarantee premium healthcare to every citizen if there are millions of people burdening the system with their stupid and unhealthy life choices.

So yea these people should have the freedom to make themselves sick if they want to, but not if it's on my dime and your dime.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008452]@diamenz

If someone wants to kill themselves at 30 because they do drugs and don't watch their diet, sure that is their right, but now they are also potentially huge drains on the system. When the morbidly obese patient checks into the hospital, it's going to cost a lot of money to treat that person.

[B]If I own a health insurance company, I should not be forced to take on every high risk customer. They are not legally obligated to my services, not if I think they're going to be a net negative. [/B]

Now if you're advocating for a taxpayer funded system, the same problem still arises. It's not like we have infinite money and infinite resources. You can't guarantee premium healthcare to every citizen if there are millions of people burdening the system with their stupid and unhealthy life choices.

So yea these people should have the freedom to make themselves sick if they want to, but not if it's on my dime and your dime.[/QUOTE]

And the entire point of the other side on this issue is that people like you shouldn't be the ones owning insurance companies. Not to say that you're evil or even alone here. Most people, including myself, are looking for ways to earn the highest profit possible.

Healthcare insurance is just not the realm where I believe that should be the case.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15008459]And the entire point of the other side on this issue is that people like you shouldn't be the ones owning insurance companies. Not to say that you're evil or even alone here. Most people, including myself, are looking for ways to earn the highest profit possible.

Healthcare insurance is just not the realm where I believe that should be the case.[/QUOTE]

Uh, a health insurance company needs to be remain profitable in order to keep going. If it's not profitable, it goes under.

The same goes for a government system. If it's not operating at a surplus... you either have to cut services, cut funding somewhere else or raise everyone's taxes.

Please if you have a viable alternative I am all ears.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008462][B]Uh, a health insurance company needs to be remain profitable in order to keep going. If it's not profitable, it goes under.[/B]

The same goes for a government system. If it's not operating at a surplus... you either have to cut services, cut funding somewhere else or raise everyone's taxes.

Please if you have a viable alternative I am all ears.[/QUOTE]
Yeah he's saying they shouldn't exist, and he's right.

[QUOTE=RRR3;15008463]Yeah he's saying they shouldn't exist, and he's right.[/QUOTE]

Insurance companies shouldn't exist?

Okay, so I take it you plan on paying for your own health care services then with your own money?

Or, let me guess, you want to pay for it with my money.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008466]Insurance companies shouldn't exist?

Okay, so I take it you plan on paying for your own health care services then with your own money?

Or, let me guess, you want to pay for it with my money.[/QUOTE]
Idk are you a billionaire or some other person who makes money exploiting their own workers? I don’t support taxing anyone besides the super rich. If you have a problem with billionaires paying taxes well it’s weird you don’t care about everyday people’s taxes going to fund a genocide.

[QUOTE=RRR3;15008468]Idk are you a billionaire or some other person who makes money exploiting their own workers? I don’t support taxing anyone besides the super rich. If you have a problem with billionaires paying taxes well it’s weird you don’t care about everyday people’s taxes going to fund a genocide.[/QUOTE]

If you taxed every billionaire at [B]100%[/B] it would still not be enough to fund universal healthcare for every american.

Are you retarded? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008475]If you taxed every billionaire at [B]100%[/B] it would still not be enough to fund universal healthcare for every american.

Are you retarded? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

What does you believe universal healthcare to mean?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008475]If you taxed every billionaire at [B]100%[/B] it would still not be enough to fund universal healthcare for every american.

Are you retarded? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
"Or other person who makes money exploiting their workers/the super rich", stop crying, greedyguts, you must be one of them. Pay up. Imagine crying about the rich getting taxed :roll: And you claim to be for the common man.

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[QUOTE=RRR3;15008477]"Or other person who makes money exploiting their workers", stop crying, greedyguts, you must be one of them. Pay up. Imagine crying about the rich getting taxed :roll: And you claim to be for the common man.[/QUOTE]

No you just sound like a fukking retard as usual. :oldlol:

You fantasize about a world where billionaires cover the tab for everyone else's life. Not only is that stupid and immoral to begin with, it's not even feasible mathematically. So it's nothing but a delusional pipe dream. And yet in your sad little world, you consider others to be lesser than you because they don't support your totally implausible solution.

This is why you're always upset 3tard, you have impossibly high expectations.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008481]No you just sound like a fukking retard as usual. :oldlol:

You fantasize about a world where billionaires cover the tab for everyone else's life. Not only is that stupid and immoral to begin with, it's not even feasible mathematically. So it's nothing but a delusional pipe dream. And yet in your sad little world, you consider others to be lesser than you because they don't support your totally implausible solution.

This is why you're always upset 3tard, you have impossibly high expectations.[/QUOTE]
"Immoral" is your billionaire buddies not getting to hoard everything :roll: But the everyday citizen having to pay for wars and genocides is good :hammerhead:

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour[/url]


^Educate yourself. The uber wealthy are parasites, you are believing exactly what they want (or are you a member of the elite yourself, would explain a lot). Adam Smith talked about this, and he was no socialist.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15008476]What does you believe universal healthcare to mean?[/QUOTE]

I'm not the one advocating for it.

You tell me what it means. You tell me what your goal is.

I asked you to provide an alternative to the current system and you still haven't.