Bleacher Report Top 100: 12be becomes 11be

So he still fails to crack the top 10, i see.

[QUOTE=3ba11;15021982] pretty dumb[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Soundwave;15022131]Magic is overrated in these lists because he has a great personality and helped "save the league" with Bird.

He isn't a better player than Kobe Bryant in his peak though, no way. Dude couldn't shoot, middling defender, average athleticism and moves. Fantastic passer, fine, but c'mon now. [B]He won a lot of chips on a stacked roster. [/B]

Kevin Garnett is also overrated, same with Iverson. KG is not better than Jokic, Dirk, Karl Malone, or even David Robinson.

People are choosing personality in these cases over actual game.[/QUOTE]

Correction, he [B]orchestrated[/B] alot of chips, on a stacked roster.....in an era of stacked rosters. Magic is the ultimate floor general, he couldn't shoot.....until you needed a big bucket. He played average defense.....so did Bird. The Lakers dont win a single one without Magic, He was regarded higher than Mike for most of Mjs career, let that sink in. Magic is actually the origin of why Mikes 6 rings was supposed to be a big deal. Time does a funny thing to peoples views of the game.

In the 90's, NO ONE THOUGHT pippen was anywhere near Ewing, Drexler, or Walton - they were dominant franchise players that carried teams, while Pippen was a secondary producer that never dominated or played above a Shawn Marion/Iguodala caliber... Pippen over Walton is probably the most ridiculous.

[QUOTE=3ba11;15022238]In the 90's, NO ONE THOUGHT pippen was anywhere near Ewing, Drexler, or Walton - they were dominant franchise players that carried teams, while Pippen was a secondary producer that never dominated or played above a Shawn Marion or Iguodala caliber... Pippen over Walton is probably the most ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Iguodala literally never averaged 20 ppg, which Pippen did multiple times, and trying to compare the playmaking abilities of Pippen & Marion is comical.

This is why you're a low IQ poster, you literally equate players on the sole basis of ppg.

[QUOTE=3ba11;15022238]In the 90's, NO ONE THOUGHT pippen was anywhere near Ewing, Drexler, or Walton - they were dominant franchise players that carried teams, while Pippen was a secondary producer that never dominated or played above a Shawn Marion/Iguodala caliber... Pippen over Walton is probably the most ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

What is a secondary producer?

[QUOTE=Phoenix;15022245]What is a secondary producer?[/QUOTE]


Someone that can't average elite stats in PPG, RPG, or APG

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15022239]Iguodala literally never averaged 20 ppg, which Pippen did multiple times, and trying to compare the playmaking abilities of Pippen & Marion is comical.

This is why you're a low IQ poster, you literally equate players on the sole basis of ppg.[/QUOTE]


Pippen can't rebound like Marion, while Iguodala was a clutch player and Finals MVP that could create his own shot, or average 15 outside the system.. Iggy could shoot too.

So Pippen has plenty of holes that they would fill, but the point is that Iggy, Marion and Pippen were similar player types - this was Pippen's caliber, but the winning spotlight inflates him to all-time status and media accolade... MJ won 6 with Shawn Marion and that's why he's goat.

[QUOTE=3ba11;15022238]In the 90's, NO ONE THOUGHT pippen was anywhere near Ewing, Drexler, or Walton - they were dominant franchise players that carried teams, while Pippen was a secondary producer that never dominated or played above a Shawn Marion/Iguodala caliber... Pippen over Walton is probably the most ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Until 94......

[QUOTE=3ba11;15022248]Someone that can't average elite stats in PPG, RPG, or APG[/QUOTE]

And what would be elite in those categories?

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15022264]Until 94......[/QUOTE]


No one was surprised when Pippen choked in the playoffs and was outplayed by Ewing, or saw teammates lead the BPM and win share in the playoffs... It was extremely common for people to comment on Pippen and say he's big trash - it was standard for people to talk this way about Pippen - no one thought he was anywhere near Ewing, Drexler, Malone, Barkley, etc... You would've been laughed at for making those claims... it's like saying Shawn Marion is on the level of Kobe, Lebron and Duncan... Completely absurd.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;15022265]And what would be elite in those categories?[/QUOTE]

Numbers just above what Pippen specifically averaged in each category :lol

[QUOTE=Phoenix;15022265]And what would be elite in those categories?[/QUOTE]

3ball?

[QUOTE=3ba11;15022273]No one was surprised when Pippen choked in the playoffs and was outplayed by Ewing, or saw teammates lead the BPM and win share in the playoffs... It was extremely common for people to comment on Pippen and say he's big trash - it was standard for people to talk this way about Pippen - no one thought he was anywhere near Ewing, Drexler, Malone, Barkley, etc... You would've been laughed at for making those claims... it's like saying Shawn Marion is on the level of Kobe, Lebron and Duncan... Completely absurd.[/QUOTE]

Like I said until he effed around and finished 3rd place in the mvp vote over most of those guys.....thats when he started being recognized as one of the best in the world and Mj came back to play with an mvp candidate.....imagine that.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15022286]Like I said until he effed around and finished 3rd place in the mvp vote over most of those guys.....thats when he started being recognized as one of the best in the world and Mj came back to play with an mvp candidate.....imagine that.[/QUOTE]
AND they added an All-NBA player in Rodman too, in addition to Pippen, the 6MOY and the GOAT coach.

Those are Durant level rings.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15022288]AND they added an All-NBA player in Rodman too, in addition to Pippen, the 6MOY and the GOAT coach.

Those are Durant level rings.[/QUOTE]

The 2nd 3peat bulls were definitely stacked, they had a former 20ppg guy as a defensive role player lol.