Democrats going to shutdown the government out of spite

[QUOTE=beasted;15036161]How is it universal healthcare when the total ACA enrollees are 24 million of our 340 million population? Have we solved the healthcare affordability problem or do you think that's not an important consideration to resolve first?

For 15 years Trump has claimed he has a plan.
[video]https://youtube.com/shorts/o_x8DVhmR9o?si=oHC4ZEJrtGb_w6GT[/video]

I pay almost $4k a year ($328 per month) in health insurance, which would murder someone making between $12k and $46k.

Do you believe we should get rid of Medicare and Medicaid too since government-sponsored healthcare costs money?[/QUOTE]

I did not say that ACA is universal health care. My comment on universal health care was in reference to your 3 month uncovered insurance period and ShawkFactory's comment about how do you qualify who needs or doesn't need benefits.

I believe that Medicare age should be raised for younger people (as we are all living longer) in order to try to save/preserve the program. I also believe that Medicaid should be for people who it was originally created for - children, pregnant women, disabled and elderly with income limits - not young, single, able-bodied men.

I think Social Security (and Medicare funds) should be invested in low-cost S&P 500 index funds (kinda like Australia's retirement system and Canada Pension Plan do) instead of Treasury securities - we would probably have a surplus instead of the upcoming deficit. Also, the cap on income for SS should be lifted.

[QUOTE=beasted;15036162]This makes zero sense since there is [B][U]an income limit to qualify for health insurance marketplace plans subsidies[/U][/B]. I don't understand anything of what you've tried explaining[/QUOTE]

You are mistaken - there is NO income limit to qualify for aca subsidies - google "covid aca subsidies":

Enhanced Affordable Care Act (ACA) subsidies, often referred to as "COVID-era subsidies," were initially established by the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 to mitigate the economic impact of the pandemic on health insurance affordability.

These temporary measures significantly expanded financial assistance for ACA Marketplace plans by [B]increasing subsidy amounts and [U]eliminating the income cap for eligibility[/U], allowing individuals earning [U]above 400% of the federal poverty level (FPL) to qualify for premium tax credits[/U].[/B]

The enhancements were later extended through the end of 2025 by the Inflation Reduction Act.

As a result of these expanded subsidies, ACA Marketplace enrollment nearly doubled, rising from about 12 million in 2021 to a record 24.2 million in 2025.
In 2024, over 21 million people enrolled in ACA plans, with 91% receiving substantial subsidies that reduced their average monthly premium from $477 to just $124.
For individuals earning up to 150% of the FPL, health insurance became available at $0 out-of-pocket cost.

These [B]enhanced subsidies are set to expire on December 31, 2025, unless Congress acts to extend them[/B]

Is AOC the one who's directing the shutdown? Don't ask Pelosi

[I]REPORTER: There was a thought from the Republicans that AOC is directing this, and she said that senators are welcome to go to her office directly. Is she driving that?

PELOSI: Why are you saying such a ridiculous thing?[/I]

[url]https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/why-are-you-saying-such-a-ridiculous-thing-nancy-pelosi-rebukes-reporter-asking-if-gop-should-negotiate-with-aoc/[/url].

[url]https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1973410351103300028?s=19[/url]

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[QUOTE=rmt;15036168]I did not say that ACA is universal health care. My comment on universal health care was in reference to your 3 month uncovered insurance period and ShawkFactory's comment about how do you qualify who needs or doesn't need benefits.

I believe that Medicare age should be raised for younger people (as we are all living longer) in order to try to save/preserve the program. I also believe that Medicaid should be for people who it was originally created for - children, pregnant women, disabled and elderly with income limits - not young, single, able-bodied men.

I think Social Security (and Medicare funds) should be invested in low-cost S&P 500 index funds (kinda like Australia's retirement system and Canada Pension Plan do) instead of Treasury securities - we would probably have a surplus instead of the upcoming deficit. Also, the cap on income for SS should be lifted.[/QUOTE]

And raise the age for SS.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15036207]Is AOC the one who's directing the shutdown? Don't ask Pelosi

[I]REPORTER: There was a thought from the Republicans that AOC is directing this, and she said that senators are welcome to go to her office directly. Is she driving that?

PELOSI: Why are you saying such a ridiculous thing?[/I]

[URL]https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/why-are-you-saying-such-a-ridiculous-thing-nancy-pelosi-rebukes-reporter-asking-if-gop-should-negotiate-with-aoc/[/URL].

[URL]https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1973410351103300028?s=19[/URL]

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

I thought Obama did it. :rolleyes: :oldlol:

[IMG]https://i.redd.it/f2truz1dnpsf1.jpeg[/IMG]

This while GOP is blaming the "radical left" on government websites. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=BurningHammer;15036222][IMG]https://i.redd.it/f2truz1dnpsf1.jpeg[/IMG]

This while GOP is blaming the "radical left" on government websites. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

My guess is the blame on the radical left is coming from the HC policies they are coming to the table with.

But even still...silly to blame democrats for the shutdown. That's like a dude hitting his wife and saying she made him.

[IMG]https://i.redd.it/bpzzs0vagpsf1.png[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15036224]My guess is the blame on the radical left is coming from the HC policies they are coming to the table with.

But even still...silly to blame democrats for the shutdown. That's like a dude hitting his wife and saying she made him.[/QUOTE]

Republicans are solely to blame? Why do you say that?

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15036227]Republicans are solely to blame? Why do you say that?[/QUOTE]

Not solely, I suppose.

But given that they own all 3 branches at the moment it seems like there is definitely something that could have been done here. And it certainly isn't being shut down by the Democrats as your OP suggests.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15036227]Republicans are solely to blame? Why do you say that?[/QUOTE]
Same reason you blamed the Democrats in the first post.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15036228]Not solely, I suppose.

But given that they[B] own all 3 branches[/B] at the moment it seems like there is definitely something that could have been done here. And it certainly isn't being shut down by the Democrats as your OP suggests.[/QUOTE]

60 votes are needed in the Senate - there aren't 60 Republicans. Dems are the ones who want changes - republicans want a clean, continuing resolution to have more time to discuss/debate/negotiate (without the government being shut down).

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15036228]Not solely, I suppose.

But given that they own all 3 branches at the moment it seems like there is definitely something that could have been done here. And it certainly isn't being shut down by the Democrats as your OP suggests.[/QUOTE]

When you ask for extremely unreasonable things... then it's hard to agree

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15036229]Same reason you blamed the Democrats in the first post.[/QUOTE]

See my post above

Two Democratic senators and one independent who caucuses with them crossed party lines to support the G.O.P. plan to keep government funding flowing.

In votes just hours before the shutdown and again on Wednesday after it had begun, Senators Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada and John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, both Democrats, and Angus King, the Maine independent who caucuses with them, were the only members of the minority to vote for a simple, roughly seven-week funding extension sought by Republicans.

In doing so, they broke with Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the minority leader, who has pressed his party to hold the line against the G.O.P. spending plan until Republicans and President Trump negotiate with Democrats on a compromise that includes health care concessions.

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/01/us/politics/democrats-shutdown-vote.html[/url]