Did Shohei Ohtani just have the greatest individual game in sports history?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038103][U]1920[/U]
Ruth - 54 home runs
#2 guy - 19 home runs

Ruth did that with beer.

Bonds needed steroids to surpass him in home runs and did it in an era where home runs came by easier.

Ruth was so far ahead of his time it's ridiculous. The only facet of the game where you could give Ruth a negative is his fielding. He wasn't bad, but clearly not on the level of Mays or Bonds in their primes. Mays is probably the best player ever if we are only taking hitting/fielding into account.

The only problem is Ruth is by far the best hitter ever and at one point was one of the best pitchers in the league. Still holds the record for most innings pitched in a world series game with 14 innings, a game where he only gave up 1 run.[/QUOTE]

Babe Ruth didn’t play against people of color because they were not allowed in MLB during his “dominance”. If you’re going to use roids in Barry case why wouldn’t someone be able to run off a lot of great players that weren’t allowed in MLB when Ruth played? Do you not acknowledge them? Or were whites so far superior than folks of color that the fact there was a color barrier it didn’t matter. And people of color only became good at baseball later in life far past when Babe Ruth was still alive?


Babe is definately in a goat convo. Willie Mays too. I’m going with what I actually saw, experienced. Hard for me to say Babe was better because the research report shows his stats. As great as they may be I just didn’t see it. Most people’s goats are usually athletes people saw. It’s rarely someone is the goat or best at____ where a fan simply never saw them play.

Ohtani is amazing. And I haven’t even followed his career to fully grasp how amazing he is that baseball fans have. What I saw I don’t think I’ve ever been in awe of a baseball performance since Tatis grand salamis. Not that it’s relevant to his baseball career but how is his English? I was just thinking from a marketing standpoint if his English was solid how much he could be in everyone’s faces. But also he may not have the personality for it regardless. Someone mentioned he isn’t the flashy, braggadocious type. You don’t want to market someone that’s reserved. They need some type of flair.

Another moment which I liked was the padres fan taunting him as his seat was near the on deck circle (how much are those seats??). Then Ohtani smacks a HR and gives the guy a high 5. lol

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038043]Barry bonds was better[/QUOTE]

Dumb

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038113]You never played baseball and don’t understand the game[/QUOTE]

You say I have no intellectual consistency, yet this was your post to refute one of my points. Lmao.

Elementary level intellect.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038116]Babe Ruth didn’t play against people of color because they were not allowed in MLB during his “dominance”. If you’re going to use roids in Barry case why wouldn’t someone be able to run off a lot of great players that weren’t allowed in MLB when Ruth played? Do you not acknowledge them? Or were whites so far superior than folks of color that the fact there was a color barrier it didn’t matter. And people of color only became good at baseball later in life far past when Babe Ruth was still alive?


Babe is definately in a goat convo. Willie Mays too. I’m going with what I actually saw, experienced. Hard for me to say Babe was better because the research report shows his stats. As great as they may be I just didn’t see it. Most people’s goats are usually athletes people saw. It’s rarely someone is the goat or best at____ where a fan simply never saw them play.[/QUOTE]

That’s fair. You could use the race thing against Ruth. Only difference is Ruth had nothing to do with that and didn’t cheat the game, unlike Bonds. There is a reason why he isn’t in the hall of fame.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038114]Yeah you discredit MJ and wilt for supposedly playing with firemen and plumbers or whatever[/QUOTE]

I have Bill Russell in my top 4 ever. I shit more on Wilt for all his chokes.

And the only time I really shit on MJ is when the LeBron haters like yourself go full troll mode.

[video=youtube;NMfBdEV03j8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMfBdEV03j8[/video]

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038123]You say I have no intellectual consistency, yet this was your post to refute one of my points. Lmao.

Elementary level intellect.[/QUOTE]

I’m not gonna waste my time with someone who doesn’t grasp basic baseball shit and has zero consistency with his arguments. Go watch YouTube’s and parrot their bullshit like you always do.

You are a repeater. You are unable to formulate logical thoughts or your own.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038133]I’m not gonna waste my time with someone who doesn’t grasp basic baseball shit and has zero consistency with his arguments. Go watch YouTube’s and parrot their bullshit like you always do.

You are a repeater. You are unable to formulate logical thoughts or your own.[/QUOTE]

Your best argument is "You don't understand baseball"

lmaoooo

Bonds' legacy will forever be stained because of steroids. Everywhere he goes, people quietly say "steroids". I know this because I bumped into him once in SF and the moment he left, people called him a cheater. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038140]Your best argument is "You don't understand baseball"

lmaoooo

Bonds' legacy will forever be stained because of steroids. Everywhere he goes, people quietly say "steroids". I know this because I bumped into him once in SF and the moment he left, people called him a cheater. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

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What? lol

You don’t know baseball. Or anything about San Francisco.

Some guy in the 70s threw a no-hitter and had 2 HRs at the plate lol. Ohtanis game is up there though.

I think Ohtani has the potential to surpass Bonds' peak but it will never come to fruition because the Dodgers will never overuse him in the regular season. If he hits and runs the bases like 2024, and pitches like 2022 over a full season it would be the greatest season ever. But that will never happen, even though I think he could actually do it. Not only that but i guarentee he has the ability to be one of the best outfielders in the league.

What Bonds did in the early 2000s though is ludicrous and will probably never be surpassed. Best set of eyeballs in history.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038068]Very rare. As far as hitting and pitching at that level, it hasn't been seen since Babe Ruth.

Ohtani also stole 59 bases last season, first player ever with 50 home runs and[B] 50 stolen bases in a season[/B].[/QUOTE]

Rule change.

The crazy thing about Bonds is that he was robbed of several MVPs in the 90s because analytics weren't a thing yet. Realistically he should've had like 6 MVPs before ever taking steroids - and was already the intentional walk record holder by 1999, before his absurd early 2000s run. By 1998 he had over 400 HRs and 400 SBs, and to this day is the only player to do it, let alone being the only guy in the 500/500 club. And those numbers are more impressive in hindsight because a lot of guys were already juicing during that time... there's a reason why when Bonds started juicing he led the league in OPS by like 300 points during that time.

Bonds is 100% the GOAT.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;15038179]Some guy in the 70s threw a no-hitter and had 2 HRs at the plate lol. Ohtanis game is up there though..[/QUOTE]

Ohtani did it in a postseason series clincher. The stakes were different than the game you reference. They enhanced the impressive meter more than a regular season game. Great nonetheless but the reason Ohtani edges it out is quite obvious.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038200]Ohtani did it in a postseason series clincher. The stakes were different than the game you reference. They enhanced the impressive meter more than a regular season game. Great nonetheless but the reason Ohtani edges it out is quite obvious.[/QUOTE]

I'd like the argument more if they weren't up 3-0 and the Brewers didn't have a combined 2 runs for the series up to that point, but sure. The postseason context opens up a huge can of worms. Do you then assign more greatness to Bob Gipson pitching a complete game in game 7 of the world series, allowing only 3 hits and hitting a HR?

The question was about greatest individual performance in a vacuum, and the dude in 1971 had logically a more impressive game.