[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15044516]15-66 brah....[/QUOTE]
Never knew you were a simp that goes with whatever the media tells him.
Interesting.
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[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15044516]15-66 brah....[/QUOTE]
Never knew you were a simp that goes with whatever the media tells him.
Interesting.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15044518]Never knew you were a simp that goes with whatever the media tells him.
Interesting.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you know what he's referring to makes it better.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15044520]The fact that you know what he's referring to makes it better.[/QUOTE]
“You not being low iq is proof we are right for accepting mass media narratives with no questioning”
:roll:
Never change little guy.
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Of course, you admitted that you never saw Stockton play, so I guarantee you never saw Maravich play. It wouldn't suprise me if you haven't seen Jokic play either, given your complete ignorance. :confusedshrug:
I world take James for what he used to do defensively. Don't forget that when he was younger he was one of the best defenders in the league. I don't believe that the advanced stats properly account for that.
You know what, I actually will address this real quick as I have an hour to kill waiting for a home inspector to finish up with a house I just bought:
[QUOTE][B]How can you be the player of the decade when the other dude owned your ass in the Finals 3 times?[/B][/QUOTE]
Silliness. Completely overmatched teams. If OKC beat the Nuggets again I don't think you or anyone would be prepared to move SGA over Jokic.
[QUOTE][B]Lebron played in the weakest Conference ever and padded his numbers on mostly losing teams.[/B][/QUOTE]
His numbers didn't change much at all whether they won or lost. And if he DID have to score more on an overmatched team..how is that a knock? And again...he won just as much as Steph did :lol
[QUOTE][B]Steph's cultural impact alone is way bigger than Lebron's with his volume 3PT shooting that really started a new era of basketball.[/B][/QUOTE]
His cultural impact was absolutely not bigger. His impact on the game was, but was that a good thing? I constantly hear everyone here bitch about how everyone just shoots threes now.
[QUOTE][B]and the most dominant title run ever[/B][/QUOTE]
When was this?
[QUOTE][B]He was the first unanimous MVP.[/B][/QUOTE]
Because one weirdo decided to give Melo an MVP vote in 2013. Who cares...
[QUOTE][B]We don't make the stats argument for Wilt when he got his ass beat by Bill Russell every time. We make fun of him for "choking" even though he had worse teammates. Those same people will turn around and make every excuse in the world for Lebron.[/B][/QUOTE]
This in particular is dumb. For starters, plenty of people did and still would take Wilt over Russell. PLENTY. Acting like it's some forgone conclusion that people think Russell was superior is revisionist history at its absolute finest. And even IF you want to argue Russell owned the 60s because of rings? He had 9 of them...Wilt had 1. Lebron and Steph were 3-3 in the 2010s.
Just not good arguments across the board. The only thing you can say is the gravity he had as a player. Everything else is rubbish.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15043982][B]Regular Season[/B]
Lebron: 604 games, 29.3 PER, 59.8 TS%, .[B]273 WS/48[/B], 10.4 BPM, [B]73.1 VORP, 4 MVPs, 2 rings, 2 FMVPs.[/B]
Jokic: 592 games, 29.3 PER, [B]64.1 TS%[/B], .270 WS/48, [B]11.1 BPM[/B], 65.9 VORP, 3 MVPs, 1 ring, 1 FMVPs.
[B]Playoffs[/B]
Lebron: 145 games, 28.1 PER, 58 TS%, [B].252 WS/48[/B], 10.3 BPM
Jokic: 94 games, [B]28.5 PER, 61.2 TS%[/B], .231 WS/48, [B]10.8 BPM[/B]
Fascinating how similar their numbers are. I've made it known that Jokic was already a top 10 player to ever play the game by the end of 2024 (based on impact/skill-set, not resume). Jokic has never even had an all-star teammate before, so him have one less ring/FMVP isn't less impressive to me given how talented the Heat were 11-14.
It's wild how people still claim Jokic isn't close to top 10 all time. His impact stats match MJ/Lebron. To me, he's a taller, bigger, better Larry Bird. If he's better than Larry, then he's clearly top 10.[/QUOTE]
Joker didnt have to switch teams
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15043982][B]Regular Season[/B]
Lebron: 604 games, 29.3 PER, 59.8 TS%, .[B]273 WS/48[/B], 10.4 BPM, [B]73.1 VORP, 4 MVPs, 2 rings, 2 FMVPs.[/B]
Jokic: 592 games, 29.3 PER, [B]64.1 TS%[/B], .270 WS/48, [B]11.1 BPM[/B], 65.9 VORP, 3 MVPs, 1 ring, 1 FMVPs.
[B]Playoffs[/B]
Lebron: 145 games, 28.1 PER, 58 TS%, [B].252 WS/48[/B], 10.3 BPM
Jokic: 94 games, [B]28.5 PER, 61.2 TS%[/B], .231 WS/48, [B]10.8 BPM[/B]
Fascinating how similar their numbers are. I've made it known that Jokic was already a top 10 player to ever play the game by the end of 2024 (based on impact/skill-set, not resume). Jokic has never even had an all-star teammate before, so him have one less ring/FMVP isn't less impressive to me given how talented the Heat were 11-14.
It's wild how people still claim Jokic isn't close to top 10 all time. His impact stats match MJ/Lebron. [B]To me, he's a taller, bigger, better Larry Bird. If he's better than Larry, then he's clearly top 10.[/B][/QUOTE]
To me, he is better than Larry Bird. He is so consistent and has so many crazy games relative to his era in comparison.
But Jokic never had the talent like LeBron or Bird did. It'll be scary to imagine him with that amount of talent.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15044557]You know what, I actually will address this real quick as I have an hour to kill waiting for a home inspector to finish up with a house I just bought:
[/QUOTE]
You're supposed to get the house inspected BEFORE you buy it....
[QUOTE=Full Court;15044720]You're supposed to get the house inspected BEFORE you buy it....[/QUOTE]
Relax geek. Offer accepted and in due diligence period.
Saying Curry owns the 2010's is just self admitting to be a true moron :lol.
You can make an argument that KD did more in the 2010's than Curry.
Curry didn't even win a single FMVP in the 2010's :lol. Even Kawhi got two.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15045111]Saying Curry owns the 2010's is just self admitting to be a true moron :lol.
You can make an argument that KD did more in the 2010's than Curry.
Curry didn't even win a single FMVP in the 2010's :lol. Even Kawhi got two.[/QUOTE]
Durant switched teams.
[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;15045131]Durant switched teams.[/QUOTE]
Which directly gave Curry 2 more rings :lol.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15045148]Which directly gave Curry 2 more rings :lol.[/QUOTE]
Curry has won without KD though.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15045111]true moron[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15045148]Which directly gave Curry 2 more rings :lol.[/QUOTE]
Kd also did beat him first to a finals mvp.