Who should be top 10 on updated power rankings?

[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]1. Dallas
[B]2. San Antonio[/B]
3. Miami
4. Phoenix
5. Detroit
6. Lakers
7. Clippers
8. Cavs
9. Nets
10. Bulls[/QUOTE]

First off your implying that the spurs did not improve and yet you put them in 2nd? :rollingeyes:

[LIST=1][*]San Antonio - Duncan will be back at better form, and TP/Manu duo should do A LOT better tha last year.[*]Miami - I have no reason not to put the champs in the top 2. Sure Shaq will continue to decline, but Wade will continue to improve. And old Shaq is still better than 95% of the CT's out there.[*]Dallas - Basically the same team returning, with a few new additions (Croshere, Johnson) that can only help. And Howard will also improve.[*]Detroit - I very well may be wrong here, but I don't think the loss of Ben will hurt them THAT much. It'll hurt them, but with Dice getting more minutes for more offensive production, and a decent center in Nazr to give them rebounding and defense, I think these guys are still top-5.[*]LAC - I LOVE this team. And I think they have a great chance at an upset in the playoffs over one of the top dogs. Brand will be in MVP form, Cassel will give them the veteran leadership he did last season, the Caveman will be an all-star within the next two years, and to top it off you have Cat Mobley and Maggette, two big offensive threats, AND Tim Thomas (god I hate him) and Livingston coming off the bench. Whoo that was a nice rant. Watch out for these guys.[*]Phoenix - I think the Clipps will pass them, because I don't think Amare will be at the top of his game, and in the end, he could actually slow these guys down, because they won't have five shooters on the floor anymore. That being said, the last two years they've surprised the hell outta me, so if Stevie does it again, I won't be surprised. But Losing TT hurt as well (god I hate him).[*]New Jersey - These guy's will take third in the East, because they are still better than Cleveland and Chicago. The bigman shooter who's name I forget will improve for sure, and then they have the best trio in basketball. I don't expect them to take out any big guns in the playoffs, but they'll definately compete in the regular season.[*]Chicago - Ben will help, and PJ Brown will definately help with the preoblems from down low, and they are incredibly deep at every position (cept SG, sort of). Kirk, Ben, Luol, Andres, Chris, and the bigmen are in for a fine year. They have one of the brightest futures in the league.[*]Houston - They would probably be in the top 5, above Detroit, if they were guarenteed to be healthy, or at least their superstars were guarenteed to be for at least 75 games. Unfortunately they're not at all. That's why they're down here. Battier may be the best role player and glue guy in the game, but he's not enough to overcome injuries to TMac and Yao.[*]Cleveland / LAL - Can't decide between these two teams. Call me a homer, but these teams seem to be identical in skill and talent. They got superstars (Kobe/Bron), secondary guys (Lamar/Hughes, Z), shooters (RadMan, Cook/Jones, Marshall), bigmen (Mihm, Kwame/Varajeon(sp?)). Wow, ent on for a while there. Anyways you get the idea. Solid teams, GREAT superstars.[/LIST]

Just Missing out - Sacramento, Denver (actually forgot about them, they may be even better than the Lakers/Cavs), Washington, NOK, Indiana.

I changed my mind. Those teams could all be in the 10th spot in my mind, along with LA and Cleveland. So it's a 7 way tie for tenth. :applause:

[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]There is no question that Tim Thomas was a much better player last year than Radman. Hell, he was one of the best players in the playoffs period.

But that can be two things:

1. The Suns system and Steve Nash. Clippers are a halfcourt team and dont "Run and Gun" and shoot 3s as if it was a race. Thomas won't have the same opportunities that he did in Phoenix.

2. He was in a contract year, does Bonzi Wells sound familiar?[/QUOTE]

1. No one said TT was gonna be the monster he was in the playoffs. Still a solid 3 point shooter that can take it inside. No matter how you cut it, TT>Vlad.

2. I like how Laker fans like to point out the contract year ho's from other teams but fail to mention their own(Vlad Rad).

[QUOTE=mavsfan4zindagi]Spurs? Added two atheletic C's that could actually play in a series against teams like Dallas/Phoenix. Don't see the relevence of bringing up the Spurs though, considering they're light years better then LA.

Clips? Added TT, giving them two solid guys(Maggette/Livingston) coming off the bench. Those guys would start on most teams, including the Lakers.

Kings? A full season with the same Artest that you just said was better then Vince Carter. A healthy SAR and a solid Kevin Martin means they're >Lakers.[/QUOTE]
:applause: Ok gotcha. Wait I got another one. Blazers>Lakers.
Btw Shareef is one of the loosingest players in NBA history. Every team he's ever went to their record got worse, kinda like Starbury.

[QUOTE=mavsfan4zindagi]1. No one said TT was gonna be the monster he was in the playoffs. Still a solid 3 point shooter that can take it inside. No matter how you cut it, TT>Vlad.

2. I like how Laker fans like to point out the contract year ho's from other teams but fail to mention their own(Vlad Rad).[/QUOTE]
Vlad didn't play great in his contract year. Tim Thomas has done this in the past too. Watch him disappear this season. Did you miss him being a benchwarmer for the Bulls, Knicks?

[QUOTE=mavsfan4zindagi]1. No one said TT was gonna be the monster he was in the playoffs. Still a solid 3 point shooter that can take it inside. No matter how you cut it, TT>Vlad.

2. I like how Laker fans like to point out the contract year ho's from other teams but fail to mention their own(Vlad Rad).[/QUOTE]

Why do you hang around the Lakers forum? You aren't a fan. GTFO

[QUOTE=Kobe24]Why do you hang around the Lakers forum? You aren't a fan. GTFO[/QUOTE]
He's a troll.

[QUOTE=Kobe24]Why do you hang around the Lakers forum? You aren't a fan. GTFO[/QUOTE]

Coming from the same clown that trolls the Clippers/Suns forums.

Typical for a Laker fan to cry and whine when someone gets realistic with their team.

[QUOTE=mavsfan4zindagi]Coming from the same clown that trolls the Clippers/Suns forums.

Typical for a Laker fan to cry and whine when someone gets realistic with their team.[/QUOTE]

I never seen you say one positive thing on the Lakers but yet you hang around the forum like you're a regular. Typical Mavs fans. Cry like their "superstar" and owner.

:cry:

Maybe next year.

[QUOTE=mavsfan4zindagi]Coming from the same clown that trolls the Clippers/Suns forums.

Typical for a Laker fan to cry and whine when someone gets realistic with their team.[/QUOTE]
For the record: Lakers=14 championships. Suns, Clips, Kings, Mavs=0. :roll:

The Kings won a championship.... before the name change.

[QUOTE=Kobe24]I never seen you say one positive thing on the Lakers but yet you hang around the forum like you're a regular. Typical Mavs fans. Cry like their "superstar" and owner.

:cry:

Maybe next year.[/QUOTE]


I've said positive things. Just not stuck in a delusional LaLa land like most Laker fans like yourself. I see that team for what it is, below average.

Pretty sad that I've been more active there then "true" Laker fans like yourself.

Last part of your post makes no sense. Nice try at humor chump:violin:

1.Spurs
2.Miami
3.Phoenix
4.dallas
5.Bulls
6.Detriot
7.Denver
8.Cavs
9.L.A.
10.Nets

[QUOTE=mavsfan4zindagi]I've said positive things. Just not stuck in a delusional LaLa land like most Laker fans like yourself. I see that team for what it is, below average.

Pretty sad that I've been more active there then "true" Laker fans like yourself.

Last part of your post makes no sense. Nice try at humor chump:violin:[/QUOTE]
That just shows you have no life. Why spend more time than Laker Fans on their forum, just to hate? Must be the insecurity.
How are the Lakers below average when they were a top 10 team recordwise last year. They also beat the Mavs 2-1. And Bryant outscored your whole team.
Mavs fans are so bitter after they lost the Finals. :cry:

[QUOTE]That just shows you have no life. Why spend more time than Laker Fans on their forum, just to hate? Must be the insecurity. [/QUOTE]

I post on a lot of forums, not just the Laker one. I have an opinion on a lot of the topics on it, so I post in em. Doesn't mean I don't have a life or I'm insecure, just that I can use my brain for being something other then a mindless groupie like you.


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How are the Lakers below average when they were a top 10 team recordwise last year. They also beat the Mavs 2-1. And Bryant outscored your whole team.
Mavs fans are so bitter after they lost the Finals. :cry:[/QUOTE]

Typical Laker fan. Focus on the small things and ignore the big picture. Forget what everyone else does, because the world revolves around LA. Theres a reason you have Dallas on the top of your rankings child.

1. Miami
2. Dallas
3. San Antonio
4. Phoenix
5. Detroit
6. New Jersey(Maybe 5)
7. Clippers
8. Denver
9. Cleveland
10. Houston

[QUOTE=mavsfan4zindagi]I post on a lot of forums, not just the Laker one. I have an opinion on a lot of the topics on it, so I post in em. Doesn't mean I don't have a life or I'm insecure, just that I can use my brain for being something other then a mindless groupie like you.




Typical Laker fan. Focus on the small things and ignore the big picture. Forget what everyone else does, because the world revolves around LA. Theres a reason you have Dallas on the top of your rankings child.[/QUOTE]

How's being a top 10 team focusing on little things you *********? Until the season is over and the Lakers are not a top 10 team, your arguments hold no ground Idiot.

[QUOTE=Targus

1. Suns... I firmly believe Amare is come back strong and better than ever simply because his desire and hunger... when you sit out as long as he has... not just is physically ready... emotionally nothing other than the best is good enough

2. Heat... Wade will have another amazing season leading the champs

3. Dallas... as close as they were last year... they're expected to go far

4. Spurs ... These guys are always there... what can u say... expect Parker to step his game up a lil bit this year

5. Bulls... wow... good job in the off season... but honestly... the bulls are good... but lets not get too carried away with them just yet... it's going to take a lil while for them to put things together... for sure it's happening this season... but probably not til right before all star break where they are the dominating team they can be with Big Ben

6. Detriot... lost Ben... but it's not over yet... Prince is probably gonna have a strong ass season... they still have a lot of weapons... i'm sure RIP is working out like crazy for next year

7. Lakers... Kobe... damn... what can you say... minor knee surgery but should be nothing for him... i'm more worried about Lamar... losing a son is nothing small... if he's not there emotionally it's gonna be a long season for him... dont forget about the new shooter... clipps got jacked baby

8. Clipps... Great season last year for them... but I dont know how much farther they're gonna go... I kinda expect to see them end up somehow with that LA playoff series but I dont see them winning it

9. Rockets... T-Mac and Yao... Yao is getting a lot better, Finally puttin things together. With the addition of Shane... this team will hopefully step up on Defense and make the playoffs... probably kickin the Kings out

10. Orlando... yeah D. Howard is showing up this year... just like last year... but probably even better. Damn it's like ever since he got dunked on by kobe he's changed for the better.. but hey its a good thing for him. He's going to lead his team... plus look at the division... other than the heat they really have nothing to worry about

[QUOTE=Zombles]1. [B]San Antonio[/B] - They can't win 2 in a row, but they're very good at coming back and winning one. Manu and Duncan being healthy will impact the team more then people think.
2. [B]Miami[/B] - Defending champs. Getting older & older though, and faced arguably the weakest of the West's big 3.
3. [B]Phoenix[/B] - WCF two years in a row, injuries both years shut down dreams of rings. Amare coming back is huge. If they stay healthy they are my favorites to win it all.
4. [B]Dallas[/B] - They've made a lot of lateral trades, I think the only reason they got to the Finals last year was because of Phoenix and San Antonio's injury problems. Still pulled off gutty wins against both teams, the Mavs go as far as Dirk will take them.
5. [B]Detroit[/B] - Losing Ben Wallace was big, but Nazr will help and McDyess should get a more prominent role improving the overall offense. I don't think they'll contend with the lost defensive presence, but they are the team I imagine facing Miami in the ECF.
6. [B]Houston[/B] - T-mac & Yao are the best inside-outside combo in the NBA at this point, if healthy. Battier was a good pick-up, Head and Alston shined at times last season, they are still horribly thin up front.
7. [B]Denver[/B] - It's all about health, losing Leonard one year and Nene the next they still were 45+ wins. JR Smith helps their outside shooting woes and Melo has never looked better.
8. [B]Cleveland[/B] - They were one rebound away from the ECF. Larry Hughes's health is a big concern, they were a much better team with him last year. The emergance of Verajo and to a lesser extent Pavlovic gives them added depth.
9. [B]New Jersey[/B] - The trio + Kristic is enough to be a top Eastern team. Marcus Williams is a great pick-up, should give Kidd enough in the tank to go all-out when it matters.
10. [B]Chicago[/B] - They will be the best defensive team in the leauge, but still have no go-to-scorer. Should have trouble winning close games. Could pull some major upset in the slowed-down playoffs though.

God damnit I forgot the Clippers. Put them somewhere in the 7-10 range.

[B]Clippers[/B] - Elton Brand easily had his best year, Cassel/Mobley proved great signings, Livingston had his best year, Maggette seemed to accept his new role. I'm not sure if they will get much better, but last year they were good enough to beat Denver and push the Suns to 7, albeit both teams were injured.[/QUOTE]

dallas got that far cuz their good

[QUOTE]Phoenix - WCF two years in a row,[/QUOTE]

If you're going to say that Dallas got to the finals because of injuries. Then at least admit Phoenix got to the WCF due to seedings.

[QUOTE=Silent Mav]If you're going to say that Dallas got to the finals because of injuries. Then at least admit Phoenix got to the WCF due to seedings.[/QUOTE]

That's true, last year Phoenix wouldn't have beaten Dallas or San Antonio with the Raja Bell/Kurt Thomas injures. They lucked out on the dumbass divisional seeding system.

Seedings are better this year. But you still have 3 teams fighting for 2 spots. Going to be another great 2nd round matchup somewhere.

[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]That just shows you have no life. Why spend more time than Laker Fans on their forum, just to hate? Must be the insecurity.
How are the Lakers below average when they were a top 10 team recordwise last year. They also beat the Mavs 2-1. And Bryant outscored your whole team.
Mavs fans are so bitter after they lost the Finals. :cry:[/QUOTE]

Outscored a whole team but couldn't muster more than 3 points in the second half of a Game 7 against the worst defensive team in the league.

Because he tried to get his teammates involved. It wouldn't have mattered how many points Bryant would have scored because they were down by 20 and couldn't stop them on D, at that point, trading baskets doesn't help you. You need to lock them down on D and get back in the game with team play, common sense, no? :rolleyes: I bet you if Bryant had 40+ in that game you would have said he's a selfish ballhog and that the Lakers lost because he didn't stick to the Lakers Gameplan. Haters are so predictable. :violin:

[QUOTE=Pharmacists84]Are you serious man?? Joe Johnson, John Smith, and Speedy Claxton are better than Bibby, Artest, and Shareef. Bibby and Shareef are to old and Artest can't shut his mouth enough to play.[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :stupid:

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gimme a sec, I'm laughing tears. :applause:

1. Phoenix
2. Dallas
3. Miami
4. LA Clippers
5. Spurs
6. Kings
7. Houston
8. Denver
9. Cleveland
10. Detroit

[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]For the record: Lakers=14 championships. Suns, Clips, Kings, Mavs=0. :roll:[/QUOTE]

So how many do u have??

1 Miami
2 Dallas
3 Phoenix
4 San Antonio
5 Detroit
6 Houston
7 New Jersey
8 Chicago
9 Cavs
10 Denver

Miami The Champs Thats simply why they are number 1 returning everyone i still dont think they will repeat. Dallas is my pick for the WC champs. They will battle the suns in the final. San antonio is still top 5 elite teams i put them at 4 because i think with a healthy amare and the signing of jumaine jones phx is better. Detroit lost big ben but gained Nazi, IMO they are top 5 still returning everyone. Houston will make the playoffs i gaurentee it, only if tmac and yao stay healthy, adding battier was a good move even though giving up rudy, battier was an immediate fit to their playoff run. Chicago adding big ben and thats enough said. New Jersey draftin Marcus williams, Boone and Hassan Adams, Giving good depth on the bench but simply Kidd, Rj and Carter can't be rejected out top 10. Cavs Simply because LeBron James and now adding shannon brown for another atheletic small foward. They return Big Z and Gooden. Denver was tough to put at number 10 but i put them in front of the clippers and lakers because they are going to be a tough team to be in the playoffs adding j.r. smith isn't the reason. Nene is back and i think he will make a big impact.

[QUOTE=ClipperX]So how many do u have??[/QUOTE]
14, I already said it.

1. Miami - Basicaly the entire lineup from a championship team returning, gotta start them at #1
2. Detroit - The departure of Ben Wallace will hurt the defense, but not as much as people think, Nazi Mohammed and Dale Davis will fill part of the void, and the fact that Antonio Mcdyess will be seeing alot more minutes bodes well for the Pistons' offense, not to mention his ability and hustle on the defensive end. Tayshaun Prince will only get better, maybe a breakout season for him.
3. Phoneix - Great team last year with no real post presance, Depending on how Amare responds to his injury, this #3 ranking could soon change to #1
4. Dallas - Got robbed in the finals, finally showed the tuffness it takes to make it to the finals, dont be surprized if they get back this year
5. San Antonio - Added some youth to their veteran core players, Nazi's departer to Detroit will hurt more than people think
6. Denver - Carmelo was by far the best player in the world championships, look for that too continue this season with a strong supporting cast around him. Consider them a serious contender in the west.
7. Chicago - The addition of Ben Wallace provides a much needed defensive presance downlow and veteran leadership to a very talented young core (who wil only get better). Maybe the best defensive team in the league this season if San Antonio and Detroit are significantly hurt from their respected losses on defense
8. L.A. Clippers - Good team last year, Lamar Odom had an mvp type season and a healty Cory Maggette will only make them stronger
9. Sacramento - One of the hottest teams the 2nd half of the season last year, due to the addition of ron artest. He brings tuffness to an all around solid team, but not strong enough to be considered serious contenders in the west.
10. N.J. Nets - Kidd Jefferson and Carter make them fun to watch, but no post presance means no conferance finals for the nets

Detroit at 2? I don't think Spurs, Dallas or Phoenix Likes That, Neither do I

pistons went to being called one of the greatest teams of all time to fogotten in a couple of weeks, the pistons went cold against the cavs plain and simple, and the frustration with the shooting woes got to them which led them to turn on Flip Saunders which led to the embarassment against Miami. Dont expect that again this season. Ben Wallace wont hurt as much as people say, i think it may make them better off, especially with flip's system

[QUOTE=Pharmacists84]Are you serious man?? Joe Johnson, [B]John Smith[/B], and Speedy Claxton are better than Bibby, Artest, and Shareef. Bibby and Shareef are to old and Artest can't shut his mouth enough to play.[/QUOTE]

Not only are you 100% wrong you can't even name the players you're talking about!:roll: :hammerhead: :stupid:

Anyway I'm trying to stay out of this topic because people with decent teams are just going to complain if their team isn't where they think they should be. Im seriously embarrassed after looking at some of the homerism here(I'm talking about fans of every team besides maybe mavs here).

[QUOTE=Boss_Baller_34]
1. Indiana
2. Phoenix
3. Dallas
4. Cleveland
5. Detroit
6. San Antonio
7. Miami
8. Clippers
9. New Jersey
10. Nuggets


Pacers are going to be a sleeper team this year. With the addition of Al Harrington, not to mention 6 key players who can play new west coast offense, I really feel that this is going to be the team to contend with. People may think I am crazy now, but watch. Phoenix would be number one, but I still don't think that they will have enough defense to go with there offense. I don't see Dallas getting over the hump, Miami is just going to be out of gas by resigning all of their borderline retirees. Again mark my words, the Pacers will be the team to beat![/QUOTE]
i read through most of the pages and MOST people here are underestimating/sleeping on the Pacers. I agree totoally with Boss Baller, you guys arent giving the Pacers enough credit, they had 2 bad season, mainly of Artest (who is how gone) and with the addition of Harrington and Daniels im sure they'll be back in the top 5 in the power rankings...dont sleep on them guys

[QUOTE=PacerRaptor]i read through most of the pages and MOST people here are underestimating/sleeping on the Pacers. I agree totoally with Boss Baller, you guys arent giving the Pacers enough credit, they had 2 bad season, mainly of Artest (who is how gone) and with the addition of Harrington and Daniels im sure they'll be back in the top 5 in the power rankings...dont sleep on them guys[/QUOTE]
Top 5 in power ranking. They could easily get 4th in Central. Come on part of these has to be teams we know are goin to play well together.

JO will not be sucsessful at center. Al is a horrible defender. Quis is still unproven. SJAX and Tinsley aren't a top 10 back court. I think Indy could make a serious push but they are not a top 10 maybe 10 - 12.

[QUOTE=Targus

[QUOTE=sdjk58]1. Miami - they are the champs and the team to beat...
2. San Antonio - every year people always forget about them spurs.
3. Phoenix - with Amare back, this team is going to be deadly.
4. NEW JERSEY - yes thats right NJ Nets. All the Nets needed was a shooter and back up point guard for the unbelievable Jason Kidd. They got Eddie House and Marcus Williams. If uncle cliffy can stay off the grass, nets can beat ANYBODY! And i think Jason Kidd is aware that his clock is ticking.
5.Dallas - I just dont think they have a chance against San Antonio or Phoenix. They might not even get past the Rockets!
6. Houston - Going to be great to see McGrady back, but can he finally get out of the first round!
7. Denver - This team has sooo much potential. I mean soooo much potential, but the players dont seem to get along with the coach, and vice versa!
8. Clippers - Elton Brand is a great power foward!, But I always seem to think Sam Cassel has nothing left in his tank, but then again hes always proved me wrong.
9. Cleveland - Sorry Lebron, but your team doesnt know how step up, besides you of course. I still think your amazing.
10. Detroit - Losing Ben will hurt them a good amount. No one is going to be scared of playing them anymore. No one will be scared of driving inside. There will no more bell noises, because no more blocked shots. They lost their defensive anchor![/QUOTE]
MAVS CAN'T GET PAST THE SUNS OR SPURS??? YOU MUST BE ON CRACK! EVERYONE WROTE THEM OFF LAST SEASON AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED. WIN A GAME 7 ON THE DEFENDING CHAMPS HOME COURT? BEAT THE SUNS AT THEIR GAME AFTER TRAILING 18 POINTS AND WIN THE SERIES ON THEIR HOME FLOOR AS WELL?? DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE ROCKETS!! LOOK FOR THE MAVS TO FINISH FIRST IN THE WEST AND AGAIN BEAT THE SUNS FOR THE TRIP TO THE FINALS. :pimp:

[QUOTE=HaNdLe ThE RoCk]1 Miami
2 Dallas
3 Phoenix
4 San Antonio
5 Detroit
6 Houston
7 New Jersey
8 Chicago
9 Cavs
10 Denver

Miami The Champs Thats simply why they are number 1 returning everyone i still dont think they will repeat. Dallas is my pick for the WC champs. They will battle the suns in the final. San antonio is still top 5 elite teams i put them at 4 because i think with a healthy amare and the signing of jumaine jones phx is better. Detroit lost big ben but gained Nazi, IMO they are top 5 still returning everyone. Houston will make the playoffs i gaurentee it, only if tmac and yao stay healthy, adding battier was a good move even though giving up rudy, battier was an immediate fit to their playoff run. Chicago adding big ben and thats enough said. New Jersey draftin Marcus williams, Boone and Hassan Adams, Giving good depth on the bench but simply Kidd, Rj and Carter can't be rejected out top 10. Cavs Simply because LeBron James and now adding shannon brown for another atheletic small foward. They return Big Z and Gooden. Denver was tough to put at number 10 but i put them in front of the clippers and lakers because they are going to be a tough team to be in the playoffs adding j.r. smith isn't the reason. Nene is back and i think he will make a big impact.[/QUOTE]
:applause: :cheers:

[QUOTE=AKADS]Top 5 in power ranking. They could easily get 4th in Central. Come on part of these has to be teams we know are goin to play well together.

JO will not be sucsessful at center. Al is a horrible defender. Quis is still unproven. SJAX and Tinsley aren't a top 10 back court. I think Indy could make a serious push but they are not a top 10 maybe 10 - 12.[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree with you. I still believe that the Pacers are the number one team. JO played a lot of Center for the Pacers last year. The way that they played him at the Center position was not the traditional way that you play the Center position. He didn't have to do as much grinding, and it was a little more free flowing. It's going to be even more that way with this new uptempo game that the Pacers will be playing. Al is not a first team all NBA defender, but at the same time he's not horrible either. He really is a decent defender that can hold his own. His size and strength, and relative quickness for his size is what makes him a good defender. Not to mention his offensive skills. He scored 31 points on Ron Artest which was the most any player scored on him last year. I agree that SJAX and Tinsley aren't a top 10 Back Court, but they don't have to be with our team. We have enough talent, that all they need are modest numbers. Marquis Daniels will definitely blend in well with us. The only reason why he didn't have much success last year was because of Avery Johnson. Avery Johnson had a different offensive scheme than that of Don Nelson. The Pacers will be playing "NellieBall" this year, and it will fit Marquis Daniels pefectly. Not to mention he still is a pretty good defender. With the Pacers size and athleticism, I think that they have put together the best team. I think that the locker room atmosphere will be much better as well. The Pacers will win the championship!