Just looking at him I buy 350/600. Its not an absurd weight for a guy his size and build. Plenty of high school kids can do that. Id be shocked if he maxed out anything under 280 or so.
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Just looking at him I buy 350/600. Its not an absurd weight for a guy his size and build. Plenty of high school kids can do that. Id be shocked if he maxed out anything under 280 or so.
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Uh no ... just ... no. Your self proclaimed knowledge of the game is just, WOW, LOL ...[/QUOTE]
Like I said I'm drawing a blank on a better comparison right now. He doesn't quite have the shooting touch for me to go with "Young Marbury" or "Young Baron". Doesn't have the handle or lack of common sense for me to say "Young Francis". Doesn't have the vision or speedy decision making for me to say Kidd either.
Frankly, TJ Ford is the best I can do right now. I'm sure someone else will come to mind soon enough.
TJ Ford without the courtvision isnt that bad. TJ in Francis body. He kinda bounces off people and pinballs around like Marbury did though.
What I kinda hopes happens with Rose is that some one arraigns for him to spend a week or two in the summer with Jeff Van Gundy. Van Gundy is probably the best pick-n-roll coach in the business right now (only guy even in the conversation with him is Jerry Sloan). If Rose was to work with Van Gundy and get to a level where he can accurately make all the proper reads he'd be a top 5 PG as early as next season.
Tonight he played 40+ mins.
[B]4-13 shooting.[/B]
[B]11 pts.[/B]
[B]3 ast.[/B]
:violin:
[QUOTE=J000]Tonight he played 40+ mins.
[B]4-13 shooting.[/B]
[B]11 pts.[/B]
[B]3 ast.[/B]
:violin:[/QUOTE]
Did you watch the game?
[QUOTE=ChiBulls7]Did you watch the game?[/QUOTE]
I don't need to watch the game, i just looked at the minutes played and his shooting percentage. His ast for a PG is quite low, 2 assist in 40 min.
My initial reaction iz :violin:
[QUOTE=J000]I don't need to watch the game, i just looked at the minutes played and his shooting percentage. His ast for a PG is quite low, 2 assist in 40 min.
My initial reaction iz :violin:[/QUOTE]
Your right you don't need to watch the game in order to accurately judge a player.
[QUOTE=J000]Tonight he played 40+ mins.
[B]4-13 shooting.[/B]
[B]11 pts.[/B]
[B]3 ast.[/B]
:violin:[/QUOTE]
And managed to bowen Deron's ankle.
:banghead:
[QUOTE=ChiBulls7]Your right you don't need to watch the game in order to accurately judge a player.[/QUOTE]
Actually you don't.
I havn't watched Bynum last season but judging by his numbers and his minutes played + efficiency. I know he's a good player when given the oppurtunity.
But c'mon..
40+ min and 2 ast for a PG is just disappointing.
[QUOTE=J000]Actually you don't.
I havn't watched Bynum last season but judging by his numbers and his minutes played + efficiency. I know he's a good player when given the oppurtunity.
But c'mon..
40+ min and 2 ast for a PG is just disappointing.[/QUOTE]
your a moron.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Just looking at him I buy 350/600. Its not an absurd weight for a guy his size and build. Plenty of high school kids can do that. Id be shocked if he maxed out anything under 280 or so.[/QUOTE]
....................Man....................are you freaking kidding?
Do you know how hard it is to squat 600 pounds? If the Bulls even let Derrick attempt such a thing they should lose custody of Rose. Let him become a part of the free agents list until he finds a family that can care for him and raise him right.
Ben Wallace probally doesn't squat 600 pounds. Derrick Rose? Let me be clear, we are not talking about leg presses here, we are talking about squats.
I wont believe such a thing until I see Rose do it with my own eyes.
[QUOTE=J000]Actually you don't.
I havn't watched Bynum last season but judging by his numbers and his minutes played + efficiency. I know he's a good player when given the oppurtunity.
But c'mon..
40+ min and 2 ast for a PG is just disappointing.[/QUOTE]
Try watching a ****ing game, you'll notice a ton of things that stats don't tell. I can't believe this needs to be told to a basketball fan posting on a basketball forum.
Your posts.... very disappointing. :violin:
[QUOTE=J000]Actually you don't.
I havn't watched Bynum last season but judging by his numbers and his minutes played + efficiency. I know he's a good player when given the oppurtunity.
But c'mon..
40+ min and 2 ast for a PG is just disappointing.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Manute for Ever!][IMG]http://dontdatethatdude.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/idiot2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Lol :oldlol: , that is amusing and true about this J000 character. It seems him and 1000yearsofPAIN might be the same person.
[QUOTE=out|hoops|side] It seems him and 1000yearsofPAIN might be the same person.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking that, too.
its true though stats don't tell everything u watch ben wallace play? he doesn't get the best stats but he changes the game alot. same with andrei kerilenko.
now i haven't seen drose play but stats don't tell everything.
[quote=brandonislegend]your a moron.[/quote]
never fails
[QUOTE=brandonislegend]your a moron[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]never fails[/QUOTE]
...ever
Can't blame Derrick alone for his stats. Everyone was clanking shots tonight. You can not get an assist unless the person you pass it to makes their shot. Was any of the trash talkers watching the game?!
This team is in flux, Rose is a YOUNG rookie. Put this guy on a team like the Celtics and he'd have a 14pts/8assists kind of rookie season. Give him time. This team needs to learn how to play with a passer like Rose. Vinny needs to figure out how to utilize his qualities, unfortunately the Bulls coach is a rookie too.
These guys need to stop fouling anytime someone slashes to the basket, that's a terrible habit that will lead to a really ****ty year.
[QUOTE]....................Man....................are you freaking kidding?
Do you know how hard it is to squat 600 pounds? If the Bulls even let Derrick attempt such a thing they should lose custody of Rose. Let him become a part of the free agents list until he finds a family that can care for him and raise him right.
Ben Wallace probally doesn't squat 600 pounds. Derrick Rose? Let me be clear, we are not talking about leg presses here, we are talking about squats.
I wont believe such a thing until I see Rose do it with my own eyes.[/QUOTE]
Well I cant say iots easy since I cant do it but I have ****ty technique squatting so I cant do much of anything on it. I cant make myself even try to lift much with that much on my neck. feels dangerous. On the machines maybe but free? I cant even begin to approach high numbers, I have known people not much bigger than Rose in the 500 range though. I have a hard time judging squat numbers though because as I said its not something I do...at all. But its not a high enough number that I dismiss it the moment I hear it. It is more of a football player number though. Ladanian Tomlinson is said to squat over 600. The bench though? I buy him benching 350 no problem.
[QUOTE=brandonislegend]your a moron.[/QUOTE]
Your the f*cking moron. Your trying to save this kid.. what dont you understand?
[B]40 minutes.[/B]
I dont care what he did in game thats fourty minutes of nothing. He the number oen pick and should perform alot better for[B] forty minutes but shoot 3/14[/B]?
Yeah..Yeah.. i've seen him play he's fast.. but hes not using it for 40 minutes all he did was chuck basically judging by the stats.
[QUOTE]u watch ben wallace play?[/QUOTE]
:lol Stats dont tell :no:
You mean to tell me his stats are sh*t but have you seen him play?
Yes I've seen him play he is sh*t
Ben Wallace sucks today and you know it, he's not the same person he was back in Detroit where he was much better defensively.
Back in his Piston days you could tell he was performing
You could tell this guy is performing with 12 + rebounds per game and 2-3 blocks per game.
[QUOTE=brandonislegend]your a moron.[/QUOTE]
Btw, your the moron for not putting any input :violin:
[QUOTE=J000]Your the f*cking moron. Your trying to save this kid.. what dont you understand?
[B]40 minutes.[/B]
I dont care what he did in game thats fourty minutes of nothing. He the number oen pick and should perform alot better for[B] forty minutes but shoot 3/14[/B]?
Yeah..Yeah.. i've seen him play he's fast.. but hes not using it for 40 minutes all he did was chuck basically judging by the stats.
:lol Stats dont tell :no:
You mean to tell me his stats are sh*t but have you seen him play?
Yes I've seen him play he is sh*t
Ben Wallace sucks today and you know it, he's not the same person he was back in Detroit where he was much better defensively.
Back in his Piston days you could tell he was performing
You could tell this guy is performing with 12 + rebounds per game and 2-3 blocks per game.
Btw, your the moron for not putting any input :violin:[/QUOTE]
u should have watched the game. he had about 4 shots go in and out. put your name on the list of those who will be eating crow in the near future. before last night he was shooting around 50% for the pre-season. this guy will dominate his opponents.
[QUOTE=allball]u should have watched the game. he had about 4 shots go in and out. put your name on the list of those who will be eating crow in the near future. before last night he was shooting around 50% for the pre-season. this guy will dominate his opponents.[/QUOTE]
When did I say hes going to be a fail? I knew he shot 50% the other night
All I said was
[QUOTE]Tonight he played 40+ mins.
4-13 shooting.
11 pts.
3 ast.[/QUOTE]
Meaning he had a bad night.. and pathetic shooting %
people are saying I didn't watch the game, I don't need too just looking at this pathetic stat line.
[QUOTE=J000]When did I say hes going to be a fail? I knew he shot 50% the other night
All I said was
Meaning he had a bad night.. and pathetic shooting %
people are saying I didn't watch the game, I don't need too just looking at this pathetic stat line.[/QUOTE]
So basically you just look at boxscores and base your opinion on that? you must watch the game to give full detail, Its alright to say he had a bad game but basically over the last 3 posts you made, you have said that you dont need to watch a game to see if someone is good witch is pathetic
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]So basically you just look at boxscores and base your opinion on that? you must watch the game to give full detail, Its alright to say he had a bad game but basically over the last 3 posts you made, you have said that you dont need to watch a game to see if someone is good witch is pathetic[/QUOTE]
I said I never watched [B]THIS GAME[/B]. For the love of buddah..
I basically just said he had a bad game looking at his pathetic stats.
I watched his other games I know how he plays, I just never watched this one. I happen to look at the box score and played 40+ minutes. He just had a bad game dats all I'm saying.
All i gotta say is Miami got lucky
[QUOTE=J000]I said I never watched [B]THIS GAME[/B]. For the love of buddah..
I basically just said he had a bad game looking at his pathetic stats.
I watched his other games I know how he plays, I just never watched this one. I happen to look at the box score and played 40+ minutes. He just had a bad game dats all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]
Alright my mistake, I just hate when people judge players by there numbers alone rather then watching them play and looking at there numbers instead
[QUOTE=J000]When did I say hes going to be a fail? I knew he shot 50% the other night
All I said was
Meaning he had a bad night.. and pathetic shooting %
people are saying I didn't watch the game, I don't need too just looking at this pathetic stat line.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry. I think I quoted the wrong guy. iwas talking about the guy babbling about a #1 pick going 3/14. my bad.
In Soviet Russia, D.Rose bust you!
[QUOTE=HisJoeness]shouldn't you be sucking off yaroslav korolev[/QUOTE]
In Soviet Russia, Yaroslav Korolev suck you!
[COLOR="White"]rep plz[/COLOR]
[QUOTE]Meaning he had a bad night.. and pathetic shooting %
people are saying I didn't watch the game, I don't need too just looking at this pathetic stat line.[/QUOTE]
Nah...he really didnt play too poorly on offense. He sucked defending screens but even that he made up for being athletic as hell a couple times. Highlight block or two. He did have some shots miss that normally wont. Missed layup. They counted a buzzer beater at the half and then took it off. He made some crazy moves getting int othe lane...nice hesitation...crossover or two. Some of them he then kicked out to open guys who missed. IT was a better game than most of his others and hed been shooting 50 percent till now. It wasnt a bad game at all.
I saw the game last night and I was impressed. I mean sure he had problems finishing, but he could practically drive where he wanted when he wanted. The finishing part will come after time he is still very young.
He got to the hoop whenever he wanted, his movements and mannerisms are indiciations whether he will be a good player or not. And he will be a good player. He's steadily got more and more confidence over the preseason games. Like I said, the Bulls need to have the ball in his hands and let him create. Red Kerr emphasized this last night as well. Being the Bulls have so many soft jump shooters they stay out around the permiter trying to find an open jumper, and would pass the ball to Rose when he wasn't in a position to attack. As you could see numerous times last night, when you let Rose create off the dribble he's very effective. Super athletic, and can play above the rim. He'll start finishing plays. I remember the first few games of him on Memphis last year, and he had trouble finishing as well. I think because he was nervous. But by the end of the year, by the time he adapted and gained confidence, he was finishing with authority.
*bookmarks thread to laugh at idiots later*
[QUOTE=Russian Rocket]In Soviet Russia, D.Rose bust you![/QUOTE]
In the United States, Soviet Russia wants to suck you (and wants the surveyer probes eh?)
[QUOTE=Rosewood]*bookmarks thread to laugh at idiots later*[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: this is jus the beginning of the laughter
[QUOTE=Rosewood]*bookmarks thread to laugh at idiots later*[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rosewood]:oldlol: this is jus the beginning of the laughter[/QUOTE]
:lol :lol
Gotta love that.
[QUOTE=Rosewood]:oldlol: this is jus the beginning of the laughter[/QUOTE]
just wait till the end of the season :oldlol:
to all the haters.....
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