[QUOTE=garnett_21]He has phenomenal court vision and is a [B]superstar [/B]in the making.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=garnett_21]He has phenomenal court vision and is a [B]superstar [/B]in the making.[/QUOTE]
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Why is it that any time a player is having a great season someone calls them overrated. Get over yourself.
If you went back to 2003 and told people Parker was going to drop 40+ in the playoffs using mostly jumpers off pick and rolls or that he'd be Finals MVP everyone would've:
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[QUOTE=stephanieg]If you went back to 2003 and told people Parker was going to drop 40+ in the playoffs using mostly jumpers off pick and rolls or that he'd be Finals MVP everyone would've:[/QUOTE]
If you went to this board back in 2003 and asked if Tony Parker would be a multiple time AS player, 95% of the people here thought Tony Parker was way overrated(I did as such as well). That he was a scrub that got to shine because of the team he was on. Hell I would say that was the overall perception of him on this board until 05.
Look Rondo is a very good player. Forget about whether or not he [B]can[/B] get better, and understand he has [B]gotten[/B] better and is improving rapidly. I don't know what some posters are all up in arms over. Outside of shooting, is there one skill he doesn't have that you would want a young or any point guard to have. Rebounding, Defense, Ball-handling, court vision, he takes care of the ball, and thinks pass first. Is he CP3? No. Is he D-will? No. So what.
I would say his impact on the Celtics is alot greater then what people on this board think. But then again it wouldn't be the first time a large majority of the ISH Basketball geniuses were wrong.
[QUOTE=stephanieg]If you went back to 2003 and told people Parker was going to drop 40+ in the playoffs using mostly jumpers off pick and rolls or that he'd be Finals MVP everyone would've:[/QUOTE]
Tony Parker isnt a superstar either.:confusedshrug:
So many people pointed out Rondo is underrated that he became overrated. Now he is underrated again as everyone realizes how overrated he is.
He's an All-Star, and a top 5 pg. If you want to say that's not a "superstar," whatever, but it's completely subjective.
Rondo being a top 5 PG would make him overrated. Unless you werent serious.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Rondo being a top 5 PG would make him overrated. Unless you werent serious.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about Tony Parker.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Rondo being a top 5 PG would make him overrated. Unless you werent serious.[/QUOTE]
He was talking about Parker. Being top 5, which makes him a superstar in his opinion.
If that would actually make sense we'd have 25 or more superstars in the NBA.
It wasn't the only reason. Parker's hugely famous, has won Championships, has a Finals MVP award, and as mentioned, is an All-Star.
The term superstar gets thrown around too easy nowadays.
Plus he's married to Eva Longoria. If that ain't a superstar, then I don't know what is.
Marc Jaric is a superstar too then.
[quote=loot]Marc Jaric is a superstar too then.[/quote]
Hell yeah!
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[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]He's an All-Star, and a top 5 pg. If you want to say that's not a "superstar," whatever, but it's completely subjective.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I wouldn't call him a superstar. He's an all-star caliber player at best. IMO, the term "superstar" means, a player who has the ability to carry a franchise ala Duncan, LeBron, Wade etc. Tony Parker isn't the leader of the Spurs. He's the 2nd fiddle to Duncan and on the level of Manu. You can say he has the potential to be a superstar.
bump for another career high in points for Rondo
Rondo might not be a superstar but he's definitely not overrated. What a player.
Lots of haters avoiding this thread tonight
What is it about D'Antoni that makes pick and rolls so comically effective against his teams? I too could have gotten six layups in a row -- and while wearing a skirt, the way the Knicks were "defending."
Since the game vs NY where the Celtics were without KG Rondo has avg
14.0 PPG
8 1 APG
5.9 RPG
2.58 SPG
58% FG%
31.7 MPG
The Celtics offense has benefited a lot from the progression of Rondo in the beginning of the year they were in the bottom 5 in offensive efficiency. It has been nice to witness Rondo play with the confidence he has now. He had shown flashes the past 2 season prior to this one but consistency was always the issue. With this 17 game stretch the degree that I'm concerned about his consistency has been lowered but not quite eliminated.
lol, rondo is having like the best stretch of play of his entire career. he fits the celts well and he is much better knowing where everyone is gonna be on offense this year than last. in a different team i dont think he averages as many assists, he is ridiculously talented physically so i still say hed get alot of steals and even thoe he cant shoot hed still score, probably more so with a weaker team. but he really does make silly plays at times still.
i don't think he's overrated. i think he's generally rated where he should be. i always viewed him as a pretty good player for the role he's performing. actually, he probably turned out better than i thought he'd be. but the consensus is that he's just alright, not a superstar. you can trust him with the ball and let him handle duties and fit in with the veterans, but no one expects him to be a freak and dominate or whatever. he's solid.
[QUOTE=loot]None of those players you mentioned compares to Rondo. None of them played such a big role and heavy minutes for good teams. :confusedshrug: It should be easy, the way you bring it. I'm still waiting for names.[/QUOTE]
Oh I'm sorry, I misread what you said. I thought you were talking about players who were hyped in their first couple of seasons for their contributions and promise and then given up on.
You want guys like Robert Horry, who contribute to championship teams and then disappear after 3-4 years and become solid nobodies.
And just how big of a list do you expect there to be when there have been only 6 or 7 teams that have actually won the championship in the last 15-20 years?
Mathius
[QUOTE=Mathius]Oh I'm sorry, I misread what you said. I thought you were talking about players who were hyped in their first couple of seasons for their contributions and promise and then given up on.
You want guys like Robert Horry, who contribute to championship teams and then disappear after 3-4 years and become solid nobodies.
And just how big of a list do you expect there to be when there have been only 6 or 7 teams that have actually won the championship in the last 15-20 years?
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That's 1 guy in Horry who was 24 and had 3 years experience under his belt, and actually changed his game a lot since then. And really, did you call Robert Horry a nobody?
Still, the one exception should prove that it's wrong to expect players who are 22 years of age, playing a big role on good teams to actually improve along the road, even given the fact they get loads of experience? Ok cool.
Rondon is going to eat the Lakers alive on christmas day. he has been beasting.
Phil's gonna try to put Kobe on him again :oldlol:
[QUOTE=loot]That's 1 guy in Horry who was 24 and had 3 years experience under his belt, and actually changed his game a lot since then. And really, did you call Robert Horry a nobody?[/QUOTE]
Yes, Robert Horry is a nobody. He is a scrub who has proven to be a clutch shooter when called upon. He was drafted a the "next Scottie Pippen" and showed all signs of living up to that in Houston and then promptly disappeared. His only claim to fame is riding along for championship rings.
[QUOTE]Still, the one exception should prove that it's wrong to expect players who are 22 years of age, playing a big role on good teams to actually improve along the road, even given the fact they get loads of experience? Ok cool.[/QUOTE]
No sh*t for brains. My whole point was not to EXPECT anything. You chose to ask for an example that is highly unlikely in the first place, which proves my point anyways. You shouldn't expect these things from the word "go" because the odds of having a rookie contribute on a championship team are next to nil in the first place.
You can probably count on one hand the # of rookies who have had ANYTHING to do with winning a championship since Magic. Irregardless, where did you come up with the challenge that the person had to be a rookie in the first place? Rondo was no rookie last year.
Mathius
Rondo should be in the ASG because he would wow the crowd with his behind the back fake (AKA every time he drives) and his falling to the ground awkwardly and looking like he's going to shatter his skull move.
Just imagine if the Celtics had Mario Chalmers.
[QUOTE=Mississippi]Not saying he's a bad player or anything, but he's definitely not what he's hyped up to be. I've been hearing people saying that he's an allstar this year and I think that is ridiculous. Hell I think [b]Sebastian Telfair[/b], Delonte West and Allen Ray would look like allstars next to Garnett, Pierce and Allen. [b]At least those three guards can actually shoot the ball[/b]. Rondo passes up on so many open looks which he should be taken. Maybe I haven't seen enough to really say, but from what I've seen he's nowhere near an allstar caliber guard just yet.[/QUOTE]
saywhat?!
how did that get past people?
telfair couldn't shoot the ball with a gun in his right hand if he held the ball in his left.
[QUOTE=Biddy77]saywhat?!
how did that get past people?
telfair couldn't shoot the ball with a gun in his right hand if he held the ball in his left.[/QUOTE]
And rondo can? He's shooting like 23% on jump shots. Telfair is shooting 41% on jumpers; it's nothing great but it's better than rondo by far.
[QUOTE=barbaroi]And rondo can? he's shooting like 23% on jump shots.[/QUOTE]
read the highlighted parts. i'm not saying Rondo can shoot. i'm refuting that the OP said "AT LEAST THOSE THREE GUARDS CAN SHOOT" when one of the 3 guards he named was Telfair.
there are multiple reasons Telfair isn't sticking anywhere. people are picking him up based on perceived potential, then figuring out very quickly that he is terrible.
Rondo is steady and gets the job done. am i saying he's great? nope. i think that term is thrown around WAY too loosely.
[QUOTE=Biddy77]saywhat?!
how did that get past people?
telfair couldn't shoot the ball with a gun in his right hand if he held the ball in his left.[/QUOTE]
Telfair actually has range and can make the open shot unlike Rondo.
Rondo is a complete liability in terms of shooting, and he will cost Boston the title if they make it to the Finals again, since they'll be playing 4-on-5 vs. LA again on offense. Mark my words.
[QUOTE=DuMa]Rondon is going to eat the Lakers alive on christmas day. he has been beasting.
Phil's gonna try to put Kobe on him again :oldlol:[/QUOTE]...lol
I would trade Rondo for Glen Davis straight up.
[QUOTE=DuMa][B]Rondon is going to eat the Lakers alive on christmas day. he has been beasting.[/B]
Phil's gonna try to put Kobe on him again :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Fail.
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[QUOTE=Mississippi]Telfair actually has range and can make the open shot unlike Rondo.[/QUOTE]
ok, i'll throw out his career numbers and just look at this season so we can account for time to develop--that does help somewhat.
he's .321 from the floor, .333 from the line. that's the second best 3% of his career, and... the worst total shooting % of his career. being able to cover the distance from the line to the basket doesn't = 'having range'. imo, you can't make the claim of 'having range' until you shoot it well enough to inspire your coaches to say "you need to take that shot".
sure, Rondo shoots below 30% from 3 (.263), but... his overall fg% is .523. at least he seems to know what his limitations are.
[QUOTE=Mississippi]Telfair actually has range and can make the open shot unlike Rondo.[/QUOTE]
He just plays zero defense. Gets wiped out on every single pick and roll, and couldn't keep Mike Biby in front of him. But he sure can hit 2 out of every five jumpers he'll take:applause:
[QUOTE=Biddy77]
sure, Rondo shoots below 30% from 3 (.263), but... his overall fg% is .523. at least he seems to know what his limitations are.[/QUOTE]
His limitations -- and they are enormous -- will cost Boston the title this year. You can go to any rec center or Y in the country and pick out half a dozen guys who can shoot better than Rondo. That's sad.