Mark Cuban yells at K-Mart's Mom...

I define a thug as a criminal who acts and behaves like one. plus, they look like a thug/criminal. in american society, most criminals tend to be black, poorly educated, tatted up, and can't use the english language properly. Yeah, that sounds like Kenyon Martin. besides, think about what group of people glorifies the movie scarface and his way of life...there is certainly one group that does it more than the others. That right there lets you know which group has more thugs and the more thuggish ruggish mentality. and we all know which group dominates the NBA opposed to MLB or the NHL. Thus, the NBA having a ton of thugs or people who think they are thugs/act like they are thugs through communication (both verbal and non-verbal) as well as their actions (such as getting a ton of tattoos and being ill tempered/emotional/non-intellectual) like Kenyon Martin.

[QUOTE=John Smith]I define a thug as a criminal who acts and behaves like one. plus, they look like a thug/criminal. in american society, most criminals tend to be black, poorly educated, tatted up, and can't use the english language properly. Yeah, that sounds like Kenyon Martin. besides, think about what group of people glorifies the movie scarface and his way of life...there is certainly one group that does it more than the others. That right there lets you know which group has more thugs and the more thuggish ruggish mentality. and we all know which group dominates the NBA opposed to MLB or the NHL. Thus, the NBA having a ton of thugs or people who think they are thugs/act like they are thugs through communication (both verbal and non-verbal) as well as their actions (such as getting a ton of tattoos and being ill tempered/emotional/non-intellectual) like Kenyon Martin.[/QUOTE]


Holy crap! Put another coat or ignorance on your post why don't you...

[QUOTE=John Smith]I define a thug as a criminal who acts and behaves like one. plus, they look like a thug/criminal. in american society, most criminals tend to be black, poorly educated, tatted up, and can't use the english language properly. Yeah, that sounds like Kenyon Martin. besides, think about what group of people glorifies the movie scarface and his way of life...there is certainly one group that does it more than the others. That right there lets you know which group has more thugs and more thuggish ruggish mentality.[/QUOTE]

But has he actually committed any crimes? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.

Well, I just did a quick wiki search... I don't see any criminal activity, but I noticed:

A) Kenyon graduated with a Bachelor's Degree in Criminal Justice.
B) [...] Martin's speech impediment and eye twitching tic [...]

I dunno, but a guy with a degree in criminal justice wouldn't seem like someone to go out performing criminal activities (and I just noticed you edited your post to say "non-intellectual"; graduating from college requires a little bit of intellect I would think). The speech impediment is something that may contribute to his speaking like a thug? I've never heard him speak tbh.

[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]Holy crap! Put another coat or ignorance on your post why don't you...[/QUOTE]

What does the truth hurt or something? Do you know prison population statistics? Do you deny the criminal problems that plague certain group's neighborhoods? it's the facts. it is 2009. a half black man is the president. if we can't talk about it now, then we never will be able to.

[QUOTE=BeebCats]But has he actually committed any crimes? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.

Well, I just did a quick wiki search... I don't see any criminal activity, but I noticed:

A) Kenyon graduated with a Bachelor's Degree in Criminal Justice.
B) [...] Martin's speech impediment and eye twitching tic [...]

I dunno, but a guy with a degree in criminal justice wouldn't seem like someone to go out performing criminal activities. The speech impediment is something that may contribute to his speaking like a thug? I've never heard him speak tbh.[/QUOTE]

He acts like one and that is enough for me and Mark Cuban. He probably acted that way for self preservation growing up. That's understandable but he needs to become a man and shed that gutter mentality. Obviously, he never will but that's what he should do.

I don't want to defend someone who shouts are people's mothers, but there is a huge difference between talking [B]about[/B] someone's mother and talking [B]to[/B] someone's mother. Cuban did the latter. Barkley accused him of doing the former. Let's criticize what actually happened here.

[QUOTE=John Smith]He acts like one and that is enough for me and Mark Cuban. He probably acted that way for self preservation growing up. That's understandable but he needs to become a man and shed that gutter mentality. Obviously, he never will but that's what he should do.[/QUOTE]

To me, the player would have to actually do something off the court to earn a thug reputation. I know for a fact some people have VERY different personalities on and off the court, and personally I like to base my opinion of a player on their "off the court" actions. I guess that's the difference?

[QUOTE=BeebCats]To me, the player would have to actually do something off the court to earn a thug reputation. I know for a fact some people have VERY different personalities on and off the court, and personally I like to base my opinion of a player on their "off the court" actions. I guess that's the difference?[/QUOTE]

Probably. thanks for approaching the situation with an open and able mind. that is refreshing to see.

[QUOTE=John Smith]What does the truth hurt or something? Do you know prison population statistics? Do you deny the criminal problems that plague certain group's neighborhoods? it's the facts. it is 2009. a half black man is the president. if we can't talk about it now, then we never will be able to.[/QUOTE]

I have no problems talking about it. In fact... the only way we will get rid of your ignorance is to educate you.

So lets talk prison population. So your claim is that since blacks and hispanics have proportionally higher numbers in prison it goes to say that being black or hispanic contributes to one looking like a thug? Right? Well what proportion of people who live at or below the poverty line are in prison whether they be black, white, hispanic, asian etc.? Once you answer that you will see that people aren't in prison because of their race but because they are poor. Rich people generally don't commit crimes because they don't think they have to. They are already rich. Equating skin color or race to being more likely to be a criminal is the heights of racism.

[QUOTE=BeebCats]To me, the player would have to actually do something off the court to earn a thug reputation. I know for a fact some people have VERY different personalities on and off the court, and personally I like to base my opinion of a player on their "off the court" actions. I guess that's the difference?[/QUOTE]


Good call. I wouldn't judge a person by how the play basketball, but I guess everyone has a different opinion on the matter.

[QUOTE=John Smith]He acts like one and that is enough for me and Mark Cuban. He probably acted that way for self preservation growing up. That's understandable but he needs to become a man and shed that gutter mentality. Obviously, he never will but that's what he should do.[/QUOTE]

Is Rob Dyrdek (skater) or one of those rock band drummer or guitarists thugs because they have tattoos? Or do you have to have a combination of tattoos and also be black to be a thug?

[QUOTE=John Smith]Probably. thanks for approaching the situation with an open and able mind. that is refreshing to see.[/QUOTE]

So his approach is in stark contrast to your approach which is to use a close and disabled mind to label people based on your prejudices?

[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Good call. I wouldn't judge a person by how the play basketball, but I guess everyone has a different opinion on the matter.[/QUOTE]

It actually wouldn't be so bad if he were just judging them on how they play basketball. He is actually judging them on their race, speech, and skin art. Its actually pretty offensive.

[QUOTE=BeebCats]To me, the player would have to actually do something off the court to earn a thug reputation. I know for a fact some people have VERY different personalities on and off the court, and personally I like to base my opinion of a player on their "off the court" actions. I guess that's the difference?[/QUOTE]

Chris Andersen(White) of the Nuggets is certainly a 'thug' isn't he? I mean with his intimidating,in-your-face style of basketball, Tattoos all over his body & being expelled from the League for several years for drug abuse:rolleyes:

This Smith guy is a pea brain & his ilk are responsible for the League going away from the hard fouls ( flagrant 1 & 2 rules)to prevent fights & brawls that are commonplace in Baseball. Where there are no thugs:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=GOBB]Oakley is never called a thug tho on this site. How is Oakley not a punk nor a thug. But Kmart is. I'm lost. People embrace the days of the Bad Boys. Featuring dirty players. Yet when todays players mimick it they are punks and thugs? Why couldnt they be considered the same things you called Oakley and guys of his caliber back then. Lets keep in mind Oakley couldnt do what he did in todays game. He took would have to have some form of resistence given consequences, punishments.

Just curious.
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If you're comparing Oakley to Kmart is obvious that you will never understand why Kmart is called a thug and Oakley isn't. Not even MJ would call Oakley fugazzi, Kmart was called by... Tim Thomas :roll:

[QUOTE=32jazz]Chris Andersen(White) of the Nuggets is certainly a 'thug' isn't he? I mean with his intimidating,in-your-face style of basketball, Tattoos all over his body & being expelled from the League for several years for drug abuse:rolleyes:

This Smith guy is a pea brain & his ilk are responsible for the League going away from the hard fouls ( flagrant 1 & 2 rules)to prevent fights & brawls that are commonplace in Baseball. Where there are no thugs:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Dude. Hockey has the least amount of thugs.

[QUOTE=niko]no, you are wrong. it is not the ref's responsibility to track number of fouls, the number of fouls should not impact a call. and it is an established nba tradition to let the refs know you are fouling intentionally, so they call it quicker and don't think you are trying to rough someone up when you grab them. so basically, i am speaking from fact and you are speaking from what you think.

i don't care what anyone says, two hands up in the air like the cops are pointing a gun at you is not a sign for I FOULED, it's a sign for NOT ME.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but yes it is the refs responsibility to track fouls they have to know when a team is in the penalty or not, so you're wrong on that. Since it's fact please show me some documentation that it is nba tradition to let the refs know you are fouling. I'm not saying it isn't but I haven't heard that and since it's fact it should be easy for you to support.

Like I said earlier, at that point he probably was thinking they didn't call it yet so let them know I'm not fouling him now when he's in a shooting motion where if melo misses the shot and then he ends up getting three free throws, unfortunately for him melo made an amazing shot. He had no choice but to back off, plus was out of position from trying to foul anyways.

[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]Is Rob Dyrdek (skater) or one of those rock band drummer or guitarists thugs because they have tattoos? Or do you have to have a combination of tattoos and also be black to be a thug?[/QUOTE]

What % of blacks are thugs/criminals/in prison compared to say asians or whites? Answer that but you're too afraid to.

[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]I have no problems talking about it. In fact... the only way we will get rid of your ignorance is to educate you.

So lets talk prison population. So your claim is that since blacks and hispanics have proportionally higher numbers in prison it goes to say that being black or hispanic contributes to one looking like a thug? Right? Well what proportion of people who live at or below the poverty line are in prison whether they be black, white, hispanic, asian etc.? Once you answer that you will see that people aren't in prison because of their race but because they are poor. Rich people generally don't commit crimes because they don't think they have to. They are already rich. Equating skin color or race to being more likely to be a criminal is the heights of racism.[/QUOTE]

We're talking blacks, not hispanics. Being black increases your odds of being a thug based off of prison population as well as the ill wills that plague the black communities. Are you not aware of this fact? It seems you are the one in need of an education.

Get outta here with that far left off the wall poor BS. what about affirmative action? what about the fact that for every 4 black females that graduate college, 1 black male does? what about the fact that 1 out of every 3 black males has a felony? blacks get free tuition and special treatment yet their problems remain the same. why is that?

[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]It actually wouldn't be so bad if he were just judging them on how they play basketball. He is actually judging them on their race, speech, and skin art. Its actually pretty offensive.[/QUOTE]

offensive or not, there are reasons for it. why do you think there is racial profiling? obviously, there is cause for it...

[QUOTE=John Smith]We're talking blacks, not hispanics. Being black increases your odds of being a thug based off of prison population as well as the ill wills that plague the black communities. Are you not aware of this fact? It seems you are the one in need of an education.

Get outta here with that far left off the wall poor BS. what about affirmative action? what about the fact that for every 4 black females that graduate college, 1 black male does? what about the fact that 1 out of every 3 black males has a felony? blacks get free tuition and special treatment yet their problems remain the same. why is that?[/QUOTE]

Well I am sure the players of the NBA('thugs':rolleyes: ) would like to thank you for your obvious concern & loyal support of the NBA each time they cash their checks.
Every little bit helps.
You can certainly solve their problems with your ignorant rats on a message board.

Never understood someone who could loyally watch/support a League/Team where they generally dislike the Players & find they have 'tons' of 'thugs'.

A Blues/Jazz musician once said the same thing about people with your mentality when he said they like 'our'(Blacks) music, but they just don't like us.

[QUOTE=32jazz]Well I am sure the players of the NBA('thugs':rolleyes: ) would like to thank you for your obvious concern & loyal support of the NBA each time they cash their checks.
Every little bit helps.
You can certainly solve their problems with your ignorant rats on a message board.

Never understood someone who could loyally watch/support a League/Team where they generally dislike the Players & find they have 'tons' of 'thugs'.

A Blues/Jazz musician once said the same thing about people with your mentality when he said they like 'our'(Blacks) music, but they just don't like us.[/QUOTE]

and why bring up music? My dougie...yeah that's going to go a long way to shattering the stereotypes...

rats? OKAY. I love blacks. I'm around them all day. The catch? They're educated and share a similar value structure that I do. It's the kind of people that make all the difference. Do you like white trash? I sure don't...

[QUOTE=John Smith]What % of blacks are thugs/criminals/in prison compared to say asians or whites? Answer that but you're too afraid to.[/QUOTE]

I already did answer it but your ignorance seems to not only be prejudice-based. You have some reading comprehension problems as well.

Let me break it down as simple as I can.

Blacks have more people in prison/thugs/criminals than whites or Asians proportionally.

Blacks also have more people at or below the poverty line than whites or Asians proportionately.

Most people are thugs/criminals/in prison because they are poor. Almost all whites in prison because they are poor. Almost all asians in prison are poor. Almost all blacks in prison are poor. It therefore stands to reason that prison population is predicated mostly on being poor vs race.

It just so happens that more blacks and hispanics are proportionally poor than whites and as a result there are more blacks and hispanics in prison (proportionally). But even those numbers are skewed by the strong racial bias of the justice system that imprisons more blacks for drugs despite the fact that studies show that whites use drugs 5x more than blacks or hispanics.

Now how does this pertain to your obvious bias in particular? Well its obvious that poverty is a bigger factor into prison population and criminality than race. Much bigger. So it would be asinine to say Martin is most likely a thug or criminal because he is black or has tattoos or any other physical feature or speech pattern. HE HAS MONEY. Which is to say he isn't poor. Which means he likely isn't a criminal or thug. You are simply stereotyping... and even your stereotyping is stupid since proportions shouldnt factor into whether someone is a thug or not based on skin color. Based on the percentages alone, there are pretty much just as many whites as blacks in prison and so a white guy is just as likely to be a criminal as a black guy just because there are more whites than blacks here.

[QUOTE=John Smith]offensive or not, there are reasons for it. why do you think there is racial profiling? obviously, there is cause for it...[/QUOTE]

There exists racial profiling because of ignorant people like you. We used to have slavery too... was it ok then? Just because something exists doesn't mean its right.

[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]There exists racial profiling because of ignorant people like you. We used to have slavery too... was it ok then? Just because something exists doesn't mean its right.[/QUOTE]

hahaha, no it exists because there are increased odds of certain groups engaging in criminal behavior based upon the enviornment in which they exist as well as other proven statistics. Is it right? Of course not. I'm not trying to be right here. I'm just explaining reality. Deal with it. Neither you nor I can change it even though it is 110% wrong!

Also, Mor'Fiyah, why do you think there are so many poor people from that group? Could it be that 70% of the males in that group abandon their baby's mamma and their babies as the stats say? What about unemployment rates of said group? Broken and 1 parent families lead to poverty. There are causes and reasons for everything. You just have to be man enough to face the facts. Certain men of certain groups need to quit acting like little boys. And certain women of certain groups needs to stop laying down with such losers.

[QUOTE=John Smith]and why bring up music? My dougie...yeah that's going to go a long way to shattering the stereotypes...

rats? OKAY. I love blacks. I'm around them all day. The catch? They're educated and share a similar value structure that I do. It's the kind of people that make all the difference. Do you like white trash? I sure don't...[/QUOTE]

Ah now we are getting somewhere. So you really like black people. Just the ones you know to be educated. So this is not really a race problem is it? You just believe that Martin is uneducated. Well someone just posted it... the man has a degree. So there goes your education theory. Your theory wilts even more when you actually look at the fact that there are white players in the league with no degree. Does that then make them criminals or thugs? Or is it the combination... no education + melanin = thug?

[QUOTE=John Smith]hahaha, no it exists because there are increased odds of certain groups engagin in criminal behavior based upon the enviornment in which they exist as well as other proven statistics. Is it right? Of course not. I'm not trying to be right here. I'm just explaining reality. Deal with it. Neither you nor I can change it even though it is 110% wrong!

Also, Mor'Fiyah, why do you think there are so many poor people from that group? Could it be that 70% of the males in that group abandon their baby's mamma and their babies as the stats say? What about unemployment rates of said group? Broken and 1 parent families lead to poverty. There are causes and reasons for everything. You just have to be man enough to face the facts.[/QUOTE]

We could go back and forth on why these people are poor and it wouldnt matter really (the answer is MUCH deeper than the one you gave). Who cares why they are poor... all that matters is that wealthy blacks do not commit crimes in much the same way that wealthy whites do not commit crimes. Martin, a professional NBA player, is not poor. Therefore how can you judge him as being a likely thug or criminal?! Unless you are racist... which is likely the reality of this situation. Racist pricks like you exist in the world hence things like racial profiling exist.

[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]Ah now we are getting somewhere. So you really like black people. Just the ones you know to be educated. So this is not really a race problem is it? You just believe that Martin is uneducated. Well someone just posted it... the man has a degree. So there goes your education theory. Your theory wilts even more when you actually look at the fact that there are white players in the league with no degree. Does that then make them criminals or thugs? Or is it the combination... no education + melanin = thug?[/QUOTE]

I live and work in chicago. if i hated all of a certain group, i'd be dead of a heart attack. I work for the government. I am out-numbered 5 to 1 by a certain group. But you know what? Most of them are more educated than me and more rich than me. Poverty could be the main problem but with Affirmative Action, why isn't it changing?

You are similar to kenyon martin that you act out of emotion opposed to intellect.

Why not address the broken families that plague that community? Obviously, that is where all of the problems arise from. There are no role models except for that gangster making fast loot, driving a nice car, and getting all the ladies. So, they try to be like him since their "father" thought all it took was 30 minutes to be a "man."

[QUOTE=John Smith]and why bring up music? My dougie...yeah that's going to go a long way to shattering the stereotypes...

rats? OKAY. I love blacks. I'm around them all day. The catch? They're educated and share a similar value structure that I do. It's the kind of people that make all the difference. Do you like white trash? I sure don't...[/QUOTE]

The old "I have many Black friends" argument.:rolleyes:
Well I hope those 'educated' Blacks that you hang around with don't look down on you because of your obvious ignorance.

I have yet to hear you rant about Chris Andersen who has an intimidating in your face style,Tattos all over & was expelled from the Leagues due to drugs. It would seem you are supporting a Team of 'thugs' by your definition of the word.
Kenyon Martin(as far as I know) has a cleaner record in the League than Chris Adersen.

[QUOTE=John Smith]I live and work in chicago. if i hated all of a certain group, i'd be dead of a heart attack. I work for the government. I am out-numbered 5 to 1 by a certain group. But you know what? Most of them are more educated than me and more rich than me. Poverty could be the main problem but with Affirmative Action, why isn't it changing?

You are similar to kenyon martin that you act out of emotion opposed to intellect.[/QUOTE]

Because affirmative action is a joke. Whites are still uber times more likely to get accepted to a school or get a job despite having the exact same qualifications as a black or hispanic person. Clearly affirmative action isn't being enforced properly.

And you don't hate people of a certain group. You just tolerate them. But you do believe that their skin color directly correlates to them being a thug or not. I wonder what your educated black "friends" would say to you if they knew that. But I am sure that you don't go around spewing this nonsense to actual black people.

Chris Andersen is a thug because that is the image he has taken on, yet the people love him because of his swag. Do the people love Kenyon Martin? Did Mark Cuban talk ish to Andersen's mother?

[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]Because affirmative action is a joke. Whites are still uber times more likely to get accepted to a school or get a job despite having the exact same qualifications as a black or hispanic person. Clearly affirmative action isn't being enforced properly.

And you don't hate people of a certain group. You just tolerate them. But you do believe that their skin color directly correlates to them being a thug or not. I wonder what your educated black "friends" would say to you if they knew that. But I am sure that you don't go around spewing this nonsense to actual black people.[/QUOTE]

I do and they bring up the N word. They say that's why they moved away from their neighborhoods. In fact, that is another problem. People of a certain group abandon their communities once they become wealthy and educated. They should stay and re-invest in their neighborhoods to give others, like them, a better opportunity. So maybe there would be more businesses instead of just strip clubs, liquor stores, and fast food chains. Although theft would be a concern...by both customers and employees.

[QUOTE=John Smith]
Why not address the broken families that plague that community? Obviously, that is where all of the problems arise from. There are no role models except for that gangster making fast loot, driving a nice car, and getting all the ladies. So, they try to be like him since their "father" thought all it took was 30 minutes to be a "man."[/QUOTE]

Ok. Even if you are right... and you are not. But even if you were... what does that have to do with Kenyon Martin? He doesn't have a criminal record. He went to school. Has a degree. Is wealthy. Has a job. Has a wife and kids. Is a family man. All you did was look at him and label him a thug based on his race and tats and speech. You my friend are a plain out-and-out racist. Its that simple.

Im sorry, but we live in a society, where the "craigslist killer" is a clean cut med-student blonde haired, blue eyed white guy (google it, and see for yourself)


Yet, we judge people by the fact that they appear to be "thugs" - due to tattoos and funky hairstyles



Its idiotic at this point.

As FAR AS IM CONCERNED, the person that acted like the real thug here is MARK CUBAN. A classless one, at that.

[QUOTE=oh the horror]Im sorry, but we live in a society, where the "craigslist killer" is a clean cut med-student blonde haired, blue eyed white guy (google it, and see for yourself)


Yet, we judge people by the fact that they appear to be "thugs" - due to tattoos and funky hairstyles



Its idiotic at this point.[/QUOTE]

That's because most serial killing child rapists are white people. The facts are the facts.

[QUOTE=John Smith]Chris Andersen is a thug because that is the image he has taken on, yet the people love him because of his swag. Do the people love Kenyon Martin? Did Mark Cuban talk ish to Andersen's mother?[/QUOTE]

Is Derek Rose a thug? If not in what way is he different from Martin? And if he is why do you have a picture of him as your avatar?

And please don't use the word "swag" ... thats "thug" talk.

[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]Is Derek Rose a thug? If not in what way is he different from Martin? And if he is why do you have a picture of him as your avatar?[/QUOTE]

He is humble and uses the english language properly. His body language/disposition is 100% the opposite of Kenyon Martin's. This has nothing to do with race even though you seem fixated on it. That would make you the real racist. You hate white people, say it! :lol

[QUOTE=John Smith]That's because most serial killing child rapists are white people. The facts are the facts.[/QUOTE]

How comes we don't profile based on that then? Why don't we also use metal detectors and drug dogs in the white schools instead of the urban black schools since the white students are the ones shooting up the schools? Where is the racial profiling then?

[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]How comes we don't profile based on that then? Why don't we also use metal detectors and drug dogs in the white schools instead of the urban black schools since the white students are the ones shooting up the schools? Where is the racial profiling then?[/QUOTE]

Probably because even though a lot of white people rape little kids and kill more than 1 person, there aren't as many instances of it occuring as there are with shootings when it comes to other groups.

That's the thing, white people will be quiet with no swag and the next thing you know the quiet one goes off. There are no outward signs except that they are quiet. If we could figure out a way to catch these sick white devils before they shoot up a school, we'd all be better for it but so far no luck.

Plus, I'm sure most mothers of school children in the inner city would prefer that their schools get the metal detectors first. As they should. Chicago has had 32 public school kids shot dead thus far this school year. That's a whole classroom. These bright eyed, innocent youths show up to better themselves in August and the next thing you know they are dead before June...

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Real Thugs

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Fake Thugs



It has nothing to do with the way you look at all or what race you are see!!!