LeBron James..."check my stats".

[QUOTE=Skip Bayless]This is just another tastless moment by an overrated basketball player (when we judge him by Jordan standards) who hasn't even won anything yet. Instead of worrying about people checking his "$tats", he should worry about checking his jumper and his will to win a game. Also, check his stats in that game 6 where his team needed a victory and he went scorless in the 2nd quarter and was held to 6pts in the 4th (4pts scored when the game was in the balance). Also basically in 4 out of the 6 games, he was a no show in the 4th overal, so I think Prince James should check those things.[/QUOTE]
You must not watch many Cavs games.

[U][I][B]Your re-education starts here:[/B][/I][/U]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UguTCRRfekM&feature=PlayList&p=071923CAD2E4936B&index=0&playnext=1[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKBCNTbAXM&feature=PlayList&p=D149D39D4E816EC3&index=0&playnext=1[/url]

You are wrong in so many ways. I'm not even gonna take time to entertain this false information other than post visual proof why you are wrong.

[QUOTE=Solid Snake]Yet earlier in the year when things were going well for us and how everyone was saying how we finally had the perfect cast around Lebron you didn't say anything. It's only after we epic failed in the playoffs that his teammates are suddenly inadequate.[/QUOTE]
Daniel Gibson in the Magic Series:
0-0 0.0%
0-0 0.0%
0-1 0.0%
2-5 40.0%
3-5 60.0%
1-3 33.3%

Mo Williams in the Magic series:
6-19 31.6%
7-21 33.3%
5-16 31.3%
5-15 33%
7-14 50%
6-12 50%

Wally Szczerbiak in the Magic series:
0-2 0.0%
0-0 0.0%
0-0 0.0%
1-4 25.0%
1-3 33.3%
1-5 20.0%

Zydrunas Ilgauskas in the Magic series:
5-11 45.5%
5-13 38.5%
3-10 30.0%
5-9 55.6%
6-8 75.0%
1-5 20.0%

[B]Between Mo Williams, Daniel Gibson, Wally Szczerbiak and Big Z they shot 38.6% in the Orlando Magic series, I thought that was a big reason why they lost?[/B]


Delonte West played alright, for his own standards, and so did Anderson Varejao. Even though Anderson at his best is still not as good as about half the power forwards in the league.

[B]It took the Orlando series to really expose their lack of an inside scoring presence other than LeBron. The Cavs are missing that low post player who they can dump the post into him and let him do his thing (similar to a Gasol).[/B]

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]Even though Anderson at his best is still not as good as about half the power forwards in the league.[/QUOTE]

WTF ? You really don't give a sh!t about defense ...

[QUOTE=Mikaiel]WTF ? You really don't give a sh!t about defense ...[/QUOTE]
He's a good flopper and adequate defender, but the Cavs wont win a title with this guy as a starter.

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]He's a good flopper and adequate defender, but the Cavs wont win a title with this guy as a starter.[/QUOTE]
honestly give me a lebron cavs line up that you will be happy with.

[QUOTE=bladefd]Who says LeBron/Kobe wouldn't win as many rings as Jordan with that Pippen/Rodman team (talking about second 3-peat since first 3-peat was a slightly different team)?? That Bulls team got 72 wins in 96 - it is not like Jordan carried the Bulls on his back in all 72 wins during that regular season and then the playoffs during the entire 2nd 3-peat.

-Rodman won like his 4th or 5th straight rebounding title that season so it wasn't like Rodman's game was finished when he was traded to Bulls. You can make the argument that his prime was from the 91-92 season going into 97-98 season. He is easily the greatest rebounder of the 90's, and you can make the case that he is the greatest rebounder of all time (considering that people like Wilt, Russell, etc were the tallest guys on the court in their era with the average height much lower than 6 feet so they would be able to out-rebound everyone around them. Rodman out-rebounded guys MUCH bigger than him). He was a better rebounder than what LeBron/Kobe had throughout their careers (yes, Rodman is better rebounder and man-on-man defender than Shaq). If you had a player averaging 16+ RPG (he would often get 20+ rebounds in a single game), you already have 1 very consistent variable. Rodman did not have too many off nights with his rebounding. We have not even talked about how good of a defender he was.

-Do I really have to say anything about Pippen? He is a top 5 SF of all time (I personally think he is the 3rd best SF of all time after Bird/LeBron). One of the most versatile players of all time, one of the top defenders of all time, etc etc etc. He is a much more consistent and better defensive version of today's Lamar Odom.

-They had Steve Kerr, who was probably the 2nd best 3pt-shooter of the 90's. I would say he was a better version of Mo Williams today from 3pt line. He is a better 3pt shooter than what LeBron/Kobe have today.

If you don't think that LeBron/Kobe would also have gotten a 3-peat during that 96-98 years (or MINIMUM of 2 rings) then you are completely delusional.[/QUOTE]

Steve Kerr is overrated.

[COLOR="Indigo"]I keep seeing someone post up some stats about the Cavs and their shooting percentages.

What baffles me, is the fact that since Lebron came into the league, hes always been touted as a player who "makes his teammates" better.


So, what happened in the ECF?

How come he didn't make them better?


"Here it comes again, those powerful winds of my mind".[/COLOR]

:hammertime:

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]He's a good flopper and adequate defender, but the Cavs wont win a title with this guy as a starter.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Varejao is garbage. He wouldn't even start on most teams in the league, if any. His defense is severely overrated, unless you consider trying to draw offensive fouls all game great defense.

LeBron needs an established all-star at this point. Not an established leader of a team, but a great complimentary all-star who can do more than either just shoot or play defense.

[QUOTE=KAJ=GOAT][COLOR="Indigo"]I keep seeing someone post up some stats about the Cavs and their shooting percentages.

What baffles me, is the fact that since Lebron came into the league, hes always been touted as a player who "makes his teammates" better.


So, what happened in the ECF?

How come he didn't make them better?


"Here it comes again, those powerful winds of my mind".[/COLOR]

:hammertime:[/QUOTE]

You're right. The 66 wins was a result of LeBron NOT making his teammates better.

[QUOTE=KAJ=GOAT][COLOR="Indigo"]I keep seeing someone post up some stats about the Cavs and their shooting percentages.

What baffles me, is the fact that since Lebron came into the league, hes always been touted as a player who "makes his teammates" better.


So, what happened in the ECF?

How come he didn't make them better?


"Here it comes again, those powerful winds of my mind".[/COLOR]

:hammertime:[/QUOTE]

hey were u watching those games? how is lebron suppose to guide their wide open threes in also wide open 2s for z which is ur job to make them in. Its the fact that they choked in the playoffs while Lebron remained strong

[QUOTE=john_d]honestly give me a lebron cavs line up that you will be happy with.[/QUOTE]
Mo Williams
Delonte West
LeBron James
* (Insert any of these players here)
Big Z (he's on his last leg)

* David Lee, LaMarcus Aldridge, Antawn Jamison, Carlos Boozer, Chris Bosh, or Amare Stoudemire.
Even Zach Randolph, Charlie Villanueva, or Elton Brand would be an upgrade


I don't know about the whole Shaq thing, he can't possibly play a full season at this stage of his career.

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]Mo Williams
Delonte West
LeBron James
* (Insert any of these players here)
Big Z (he's on his last leg)

* David Lee, LaMarcus Aldridge, Antawn Jamison, Carlos Boozer, Chris Bosh, or Amare Stoudemire.
Even Zach Randolph, Charlie Villanueva, or Elton Brand would be an upgrade


I don't know about the whole Shaq thing, he can't possibly play a full season at this stage of his career.[/QUOTE]

Varejao > David Lee, Antawn Jamison, Zach Randolph and Charlie Villanueva :hammerhead:

That's a Great T-Shirt. :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

And TMZ Suck Major @$$. Harvey Levin is a Homosexual.

[QUOTE=Mikaiel]Varejao > David Lee, Antawn Jamison, Zach Randolph and Charlie Villanueva :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]


:roll: False.

David Lee>Matt Bonner>Prime Jack Haley>Me>Anderson Varejao :roll:

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]Mo Williams
Delonte West
LeBron James
* (Insert any of these players here)
Big Z (he's on his last leg)

* David Lee, LaMarcus Aldridge, Antawn Jamison, Carlos Boozer, Chris Bosh, or Amare Stoudemire.
Even Zach Randolph, Charlie Villanueva, or Elton Brand would be an upgrade


I don't know about the whole Shaq thing, he can't possibly play a full season at this stage of his career.[/QUOTE]
id say replace z
delonte any average shooting guard lebron amare any defense center big body semi athletic can score but not great at scoring. amare could shoot mid range so its not like they need z

[QUOTE=Mikaiel]Varejao > David Lee, Antawn Jamison, Zach Randolph and Charlie Villanueva :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
You can't be serious man.

[QUOTE=inclinerator]id say replace z
delonte any average shooting guard lebron amare any defense center big body semi athletic can score but not great at scoring. amare could shoot mid range so its not like they need z[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Amare would be nice. If I could pick a roster around LeBron with anyone in the NBA I would go:

Jason Kidd
Brandon Roy
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Yao Ming

This isn't fantasy basketball though. So it would be nice to see the Cavs get a solid low scoring presence in the post. Other than LeBron, Joe Smith was their best post player from this past season, that's not saying much.

[QUOTE=Mikaiel]Varejao > David Lee, Antawn Jamison, Zach Randolph and Charlie Villanueva :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
I've got to agree. Andy doesn't give you the flashy stats but he works his ass off and he's a pretty complete defensive player. I hope Jamison or Villanueva don't get traded to the Cavs, they're good players but they lack defensive instincts and work rate (which imo is more important than being able to shoot three pointers). Not exactly the type of players a contending team needs.

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]You can't be serious man.[/QUOTE]

Of course I am. Lee, Jamison, Randolph and Villanueva are all horrible defenders.

Lee's D is so horrible Mike D'Antoni complained about it. Mike D'antoni !!!

[QUOTE=Mikaiel]Of course I am. Lee, Jamison, Randolph and Villanueva are all horrible defenders.

Lee's D is so horrible Mike D'Antoni complained about it. Mike D'antoni !!![/QUOTE]
I think it would be fair to say that the Cavs could afford to give up a little on the defensive end. Varejao gets eaten alive in the post, he's good at stepping in front of cutting offensive players attacking the rim and drawing charges, as far as 1 on 1 defense is concerned, he's nothing to brag about in that category. The Cavs need more help on the offensive end, in the post, more than they do on the defensive end. Jamison has shown that he is a capable defender, and probably the best fit out of the group of players I posted. I'm sure that's why the Cavs are looking into trading for him.

Sadly stats is all Lebron can be proud of right now...his time will come though. Until Cleveland had a good scorer they will not be winning anything anytime soon...maybe Lebron's best days are with a new franchise. Guess we will see what the Cavs do this summer.

varejao is a pretty good cutting big thats all hes good at on the offensive end

Jamison is attractive to the Cavs since he's exactly the type of combo forward they were missing to match up with Orlando's Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu.

- Jamison is a balanced scorer with his ability to score in the paint and also has a good outside shot. Jamison looks like a nice complementary player with LeBron's style

- While I don't think he is a huge upgrade over Mo or Z, Jamison could be the second option on this team.

- With Jamison in the starting lineup, the Cavs have a capable scorer at every position

a trade for Jamison would make more basketball sense than most other guys rumored to be traded to Cleveland. The benefit to the Cavs is it gives them another offensive punch in the lineup.

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]Varejao gets eaten alive in the post[/QUOTE]

Sure, trading for Lee, Randolph, Jamison or Villanueva would be a great idea then :hammerhead:

Varejao sucks on offense, but he's not the liability those guys are on the defensive end.

We need a Tyson Chandler way more than a Jamison.

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]Jamison is attractive to the Cavs since he's exactly the type of combo forward they were missing to match up with Orlando's Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, maybe. But what happens if we have to play the Lakers ? Jamison against Gasol ? :hammerhead: Or against the Cetlics ? Jamison against KG ? :hammerhead: Or against the Rockets ? Jamison against Scola ? :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]Yeah, Amare would be nice. If I could pick a roster around LeBron with anyone in the NBA I would go:

Jason Kidd
Brandon Roy
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Yao Ming

This isn't fantasy basketball though. So it would be nice to see the Cavs get a solid low scoring presence in the post. Other than LeBron, Joe Smith was their best post player from this past season, that's not saying much.[/QUOTE]

That would be the best all around roster in NBA history, would they lose a single game? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Mikaiel]Yeah, maybe. But what happens if we have to play the Lakers ? Jamison against Gasol ? :hammerhead: Or against the Cetlics ? Jamison against KG ? :hammerhead: Or against the Rockets ? Jamison against Scola ? :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
The thing you are forgetting, is the fact that these players have to defend Jamison as well. I didn't say he'd be the best power forward in the game, merely an upgrade over what the Cavs have now. Varejao isn't as good on defense as you are trying to say.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]That would be the best all around roster in NBA history, would they lose a single game? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Probably not :D

damn lebron and kg are like the same both are beast efficient and intense

I just posted a thread on the Antawn Jamison vs Anderson Varejao topic:
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136542[/url]

[QUOTE=Lebron23]That's a Great T-Shirt. :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

And TMZ Suck Major @$$. Harvey Levin is a Homosexual.[/QUOTE]


What a tool..! Calling someone gay cause they spoke the truth on his precious little hero..Dumbass.............


No wonder people hate lebron fans..Their fans are dumb and ignorant....

[QUOTE=OneMoreSucka]The dollar sign to me makes "stats" mean "money". Financial stats, if you will.

Just looks like some more arrogance he picked up from Jay-Z. Still don't see a problem with it, because he obviously doesn't give a **** what any of us think.[/QUOTE]

One of the truest facts in a truly jealous, insecure post. Get over yourself and stop looking for ways to bring him down. If you could be the best player in the NBA, would you? Would you stop every media member from promoting you because you are putting up numbers and plays not seen very often in the history of the league? What do you want him to tell the media: "Stop covering me and my team?" They didn't even win the title this year. Why all of this hatred? I could see if he loafed, but he plays his a** off every second he is on the floor. It's not his fault the media is in love with him.

Arrogance or swagger, well the separation line is very thin, and if arrogance is what we need to see superstar, well I would like some more arrogance.

Anyway I like the shirt, kinda cool, and he walks the talk :cheers:

The cavs did not loose to the Magics, the Magic did defeat the Cavs give them their credit because they were better. Don't blame Mo or the roster they did a fantastic job and they have been consistent all year. Great job from the Cavs they are still on te making :cheers: Add another creator for Lebron to be a finisher, add some muscle to bother D-12 and they have a chance to see the finals next year.

Lebron James also wants you to check out his performance in the three road games in Orlando. Upon "checking" them out, you will discover the following things:

Game 3: lowest FG% for a player scoring more than 40 points in playoff history. 39.2%.

Game 4: 7 turnovers in the last 10-12 minutes of regulation. Most of them on crucial possessions.

Game 6: Made 3 for his last 14 shots as he watched his team get stomped (one of them a garbage time dunk). Had 1 point in the fourth at that point (despite playing the whole quarter!) and 0 points in the second quarter (when the Magic made their run).

:oldlol: at groupies who call this an "all-time" series. Idiot stat geeks.

Crazy numbers from a player often mean that a team is too weak.
Lebron was amazing but he just kept the boat afloat

The turnovers of Lebron kinda make me agree that the Cavs needs a true point guard and some veterans.

[QUOTE=Fatal9]Lebron James also wants you to check out his performance in the three road games in Orlando. Upon "checking" them out, you will discover the following things:

Game 3: lowest FG% for a player scoring more than 40 points in playoff history. 39.2%.

Game 4: 7 turnovers in the last 10-12 minutes of regulation. Most of them on crucial possessions.

Game 6: Made 3 for his last 14 shots as he watched his team get stomped (one of them a garbage time dunk). Had 1 point in the fourth at that point (despite playing the whole quarter!) and 0 points in the second quarter (when the Magic made their run).

:oldlol: at groupies who call this an "all-time" series. Idiot stat geeks.[/QUOTE]

Talk about a bowl of Facts with a spoon, good job man. But, expect the witness's to not take this easy, their still gazing at the powder in the sky waiting for it to land.

[QUOTE=Fatal9]I hate LeBron and love Kobe.[/QUOTE]

[B][U]Fatal9, the Kobe apostle leaves this out:[/U][/B]
Game 1 NBA Finals:
Kobe 4th quarter? 1-5fg (doesn't really matter/blowout)

Game 2 NBA Finals:
Kobe 4th quarter? 3 turnovers, 2-5fg

Game 3 NBA Finals:
Kobe misses 13 of his last 17 shots

Game 4 NBA Finals:
Kobe misses 20 shots and only makes 11 in game 4, but his team still wins? Talk about a supporting cast, I mean seriously.
Uh, that's brutal.

Kobe:
Kobe game 1 vs Magic [B]16-34[/B]
Kobe game 2 vs Magic [B]10-22[/B]
Kobe game 3 vs Magic [B]11-25[/B]
Kobe game 4 vs Magic [B]11-31[/B]
Kobe game 5 vs Magic [B]10-23[/B]


He also leaves this out:
Kobe vs LeBron? No comparison...Just look at how the two performed against the exact same team and exact same defenders:
LeBron vs Orlando 2009 playoffs...38.5ppg 48.7%fg 8.3reb 8ast 1.16blk 1.16stl
Kobe vs Orlando 2009 playoffs..... 32.4ppg 42.9%fg 5.6reb 7.4ast 1.4blk 1.4stl

Again, those are the facts, you can try to spin it all you want.

Bryant having bad finals numbers make Lebron stats better?:confusedshrug:
You gotta love ISH homers.

[QUOTE=Fatal9]Lebron James also wants you to check out his performance in the three road games in Orlando. Upon "checking" them out, you will discover the following things:

Game 3: lowest FG% for a player scoring more than 40 points in playoff history. 39.2%.

Game 4: 7 turnovers in the last 10-12 minutes of regulation. Most of them on crucial possessions.

Game 6: Made 3 for his last 14 shots as he watched his team get stomped (one of them a garbage time dunk). Had 1 point in the fourth at that point (despite playing the whole quarter!) and 0 points in the second quarter (when the Magic made their run).

:oldlol: at groupies who call this an "all-time" series. Idiot stat geeks.[/QUOTE]
:pimp:

[QUOTE=chains5000]Bryant having bad finals numbers make Lebron stats better?:confusedshrug:
You gotta love ISH homers.[/QUOTE]

That's Bruce for ya. Mr. "Take all the attention away from the King". The #1 apostle for both players btw.