Four-team trade sending Hedo Turkoglu to Raptors and Shawn Marion to Mavericks done

deal made my head explode

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Some guys are so lucky. Marion had no options but somehow still manages to get paid and get to a contender.

[QUOTE=bagelred]Some guys are so lucky. Marion had no options but somehow still manages to get paid and get to a contender.[/QUOTE]

Thank Cuban and BC for that...

Lakers
Spurs
Denver
Portland


Are all better then dallas. ok portland is a little iffy, but if they get hinrich or andre miller then they are certianly better

[QUOTE=T-Low]Thank Cuban and BC for that...[/QUOTE]

Straight up. Cuban had interest in him, and BC held off the Turk signing just to accommodate Marion; saying he'll do what's in the best interest of the player. In this deal, everyone came out as winners.

Dallas gets their man and also replace Bass.

Toronto gets turk to replace Marion, and can now use their exceptions.

Memphis saves a bit of money as they'll waive Stackhouse.

Orlando get a trade exception so they don't end up with [I]nothing[/I] from Turk leaving...

TPE will be great insurance for Orlando. If anyone gets injured or we need to add another X factor before the trade deadline, we basically will have free choice of expiring contracts among non-contending teams. Great instead of letting Turk walk for nothing.

[QUOTE=dirkdiggler41]Its a great deal for the Mavs becaus they dont trade away a lot, and gain a lot based on what they give away. I doubt we will become as good as some posters here say, but we a better chanse this season, but not really enough to be a true condender.


[B]ps. Dirk at C and Marion at PF[/B][/QUOTE]

No. We already saw what happened when Dirk played at C and Jamison at PF.

As said before, Marion got lucky.

I don't really like Josh Howard and Marion together in the same team, although Marion plays great off Kidd as they showed before. At least I (hopefully) won't have to see JJ Barea starting and playing 20+ minutes anymore.

Although on paper they improved, I am not sure if Dallas surpased any of their rivals in the West. Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets and Blazers are still better teams to me.

howard and marion are both bumdasses, i don't know if this will ever work.

IMO that puts Dallas on Denver level. 2nd tier in the west

The Orlando Magic have acquired a trade exception and cash considerations from the Toronto Raptors, and cash considerations from the Dallas Mavericks as part of a four-team trade, General Manager Otis Smith announced today. [B][URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/../blog/?p=4537"]As part of a sign-and-trade deal, forward Hedo Turkoglu was traded to Toronto[/URL][/B]. [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/../blog/?p=4537"]InsideHoops.com[/URL]

[B][URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/../blog/?p=4537"]Also included as parts of the deal - Toronto sends Shawn Marion, Kris Humphries, Nathan Jawai and cash considerations to Dallas, while[/URL][/B] also sending a future second round draft pick to Memphis; Memphis sends Greg Buckner to Dallas; Dallas sends Jerry Stackhouse and cash considerations to Memphis, while also sending Devean George and Antoine Wright to Toronto. [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/../blog/?p=4537"]InsideHoops.com[/URL]

already a thread on it

Dallas got Jawai in the deal as well? Wow, they got loads of depth at the 4 behind Dirk now.

[QUOTE=Hawker]No. We already saw what happened when Dirk played at C and Jamison at PF.[/QUOTE]

Jamison mostly played SF that year. The Mavs were rolling with Danny Fortson, Antoine Walker, Eduardo Najera and an injured Shawn Bradley for defensive purposes that season.

[QUOTE=Hawker]No. We already saw what happened when Dirk played at C and Jamison at PF.[/QUOTE]

If you read the whole thread you would understand. Anyway, Dirk will play C when they use their most effectiv lineup in kidd, terry, howard, marion and nowitzki to run and gun. Dirk will start at PF

[QUOTE=Scottish Pippen]
Although on paper they improved, I am not sure if Dallas surpased any of their rivals in the West. Lakers, [B]Spurs[/B], Nuggets and Blazers are still better teams to me.[/QUOTE]

How are they not better than a team that they beat 4-1 in the playoffs w/o home court? At the very least they equaled the Spurs moves.

[QUOTE=kentatm]How are they not better than a team that they beat 4-1 in the playoffs w/o home court? At the very least they equaled the Spurs moves.[/QUOTE]
Because the spurs were missing Ginobili and Duncan was slowed by injury. Now they are (in theory) healthy plus the got Jefferson. If you put a gun to my head and asked me who is better, I'd say SA.

[QUOTE=niko]Because the spurs were missing Ginobili and Duncan was slowed by injury. Now they are (in theory) healthy plus the got Jefferson. If you put a gun to my head and asked me who is better, I'd say SA.[/QUOTE]

The Spurs got that third seed with Gino hurt all year anyway. I am tired of hearing about Duncan being slowed by injury as an excuse when the Mavs beat him. If you watche dhim played he was hurting no worse than guys on every other team by that point of the year.

Besides, you really think Manu will suddenly have a fully healthy year? Never gonna happen with the way he plays.

Jefferson is easily canceled out by Marion's defense BTW.

[QUOTE=niko]Because the spurs were missing Ginobili and Duncan was slowed by injury. Now they are (in theory) healthy plus the got Jefferson. If you put a gun to my head and asked me who is better, I'd say SA.[/QUOTE]

Ok...maybe the Ginobili thing can be used as an excuse but whenever the mavs beat the spurs Duncan happens to always be "slowed by injury."

What a joke.

[QUOTE=Hawker]Ok...maybe the Ginobili thing can be used as an excuse but whenever the mavs beat the spurs Duncan happens to always be "slowed by injury."

What a joke.[/QUOTE]

i'm no spurs fan. But Duncan couldn't move well at all. Do you think he suddenly forgot how to play defense? The reason when the Spurs lose that there are injury excuses is because they always have someone hurt. its no knock on the mavs, they beat SA down like a dog. But Duncan WAS hurt.

I'm hardly the only person who thinks SA is better. It's because you can see how SA's pieces fit and Dallas, you are still not sure.

Jeff the post whore :oldlol:

[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139076"]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139076[/URL]

[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]IMO that puts Dallas on Denver level. 2nd tier in the west[/QUOTE]

ehh.... Marion and Howard are the same player... where are they going to play them? Dirk at C??

I think there's still another move left from Cuban and hopefully it's for a true SG.

Maybe Redd or Rip? Which one would work better? I think Rip.

[QUOTE=niko]i'm no spurs fan. But Duncan couldn't move well at all. Do you think he suddenly forgot how to play defense? The reason when the Spurs lose that there are injury excuses is because they always have someone hurt. its no knock on the mavs, they beat SA down like a dog. But Duncan WAS hurt.

I'm hardly the only person who thinks SA is better. It's because you can see how SA's pieces fit and Dallas, you are still not sure.[/QUOTE]

What are you kidding? Duncan has never defended well against Dallas. Thats why the Spurs are consistantly scared of hitting the Mavs in the playoffs. The Mavs were built to specifically to beat the Spurs and it shows when they match up. They have never solved Dirk and now they traded away the one guy that ever had any success against him.

[QUOTE=niko]i'm no spurs fan. But Duncan couldn't move well at all. Do you think he suddenly forgot how to play defense? The reason when the Spurs lose that there are injury excuses is because they always have someone hurt. its no knock on the mavs, they beat SA down like a dog. But Duncan WAS hurt.

I'm hardly the only person who thinks SA is better. It's because you can see how SA's pieces fit and Dallas, you are still not sure.[/QUOTE]

Duncan has been "hurt" the past few years. It's not gonna change

[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]Duncan has been "hurt" the past few years. It's not gonna change[/QUOTE]

He was in a lot of pain during that series. Yes, he's always got something or another but his movment was hampered during that series. Dallas fans want to rewrite history and say Duncan was 100% and Dallas just kicked their ass, go ahead. I still say SA looks a bit better than Dallas. Dallas we don't even know if they get Gortat, who will start in their lineup, can their two SF's coexist, etc, SA - its basically plug Jefferson in, less defense, more offense, hope everyone is healthy.

I think Dallas is above Denver and Portland or at least on their level now.

Depending on if San Antonio stays healthy (unlikely), Mavs could surpass them.

[QUOTE=D-Rose]I think Dallas is above Denver and Portland or at least on their level now.

Depending on if San Antonio stays healthy (unlikely), Mavs could surpass them.[/QUOTE]

But its close right? It's not a slam dunk. That's just my point.

"OK, let's just recap what's going on, so we're all up to speed......."


Dallas "So we're all in agreement!!! We get Shawn Marion, sounds good."

Orlando "Trade exception for us.....great."

Toronto "Get Turkoglu and young players....we're happy."

Memphis "Stackhouse, save some cash, draft pick....let's do it."

New York "Curry on the move....save some cap space....fair enough."



"OK, everyone let's call it a night....we'll make it official in the morning by calling the league office and then- WAIT A SECOND....Donnie Walsh, who let you in here!!!!!"

Jawai also goes to Dallas, will his heart condition allow him to play?

[QUOTE=niko]He was in a lot of pain during that series. Yes, he's always got something or another but his movment was hampered during that series. Dallas fans want to rewrite history and say Duncan was 100% and Dallas just kicked their ass, go ahead. I still say SA looks a bit better than Dallas. Dallas we don't even know if they get Gortat, who will start in their lineup, can their two SF's coexist, etc, SA - its basically plug Jefferson in, less defense, more offense, hope everyone is healthy.[/QUOTE]

I'm not rewriting history. Fact is, Duncan hasn't been 100% for quite some time. It's neither valid as an excuse nor a reason to rate the Spurs higher for hypothetical "if healthy" reasons. Most likely Duncan's health won't change, so anything else is speculation.

[QUOTE=niko]He was in a lot of pain during that series. Yes, he's always got something or another but his movment was hampered during that series. Dallas fans want to rewrite history and say Duncan was 100% and Dallas just kicked their ass, go ahead. I still say SA looks a bit better than Dallas. Dallas we don't even know if they get Gortat, who will start in their lineup, can their two SF's coexist, etc, SA - its basically plug Jefferson in, less defense, more offense, hope everyone is healthy.[/QUOTE]

Know who else was in a lot of pain in that series? Josh Howard. Dude was playing on two gimped ankles.

Dirk plays hurt all the time and NEVER uses it as an excuse for losing.

I am sorry but the Mavs were just as banged up and its weak sauce to say "Oh well the Spurs were hurt".

They were "hurt" for most of the year and STILL won the SW, still got the 3rd seed, had homecourt, was predicted by most to beat Dallas and still got rocked.

Wtf is this? Raptors get scrubs for Marion? :banghead:

[QUOTE=IamSofaKing]Wtf is this? Raptors get scrubs for Marion? :banghead:[/QUOTE]
No you get Turkoglu and get to keep your MLE and LLE. This was a great move by your GM.

[QUOTE=IamSofaKing]Wtf is this? Raptors get scrubs for Marion? :banghead:[/QUOTE]
its better than nothing right? :confusedshrug:
and i think it was done to get more money for marion

Do you guys think Marion can close out [B]Melo[/B]?

man i wish the bulls got hedo...we need another scorer after ben gordon left...unless there is someway we sign a big name in 2010 da bulls won't contend for the title for awhile.

[QUOTE=Mr Clutch Melo]Do you guys think Marion can close out [B]Melo[/B]?[/QUOTE]

What does close out means? Shut down? Of course not.

Calderon
DeRozan
Hedo
Bosh
Bargnani

:pimp: nice job mr. GM

Plus MLE and LLE! :banana: GET TO WORK ON THAT BENCH BC