The bobcats are a train wreck, and this trade just brings their ultimate failure even closer.
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The bobcats are a train wreck, and this trade just brings their ultimate failure even closer.
[QUOTE=magnax1]What exactly is the point of this trade for the Bobcats? They get more salary [I]and[/I] the worse player.[/QUOTE]
money has to be the only reason why bobcats made this trade
[quote=ronnymac]Then why would they take on emekas contract which uns to 014:confusedshrug:[/quote]
That's why I'm asking. All sorts of reports of doom and gloom and then this.
[QUOTE=chains5000]Makes no sense for the Bobcats.[/QUOTE]
This..unfortunately.
I'd like to see a real explanation from MJ and the rest of the front office when they cooked this one up. Really disappointing as a fan/follower/whatever I am, to see that the Bobcats have actually regressed during this off-season. If they make the playoffs then...it would be one of the biggest shocks in sporting history imo. :(
Hornets win this trade
[QUOTE=ukballer]This..unfortunately.
I'd like to see a real explanation from MJ and the rest of the front office when they cooked this one up. Really disappointing as a fan/follower/whatever I am, to see that the Bobcats have actually regressed during this off-season. If they make the playoffs then...it would be one of the biggest shocks in sporting history imo. :([/QUOTE]
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Bobcats are up for sale, the BET guy is trying to move his majority stake (right?). The cap is tightening, they've got those awesome VladRad and Mohammed contracts on the books. Business is business. Sucks to be a fan of a team that doesn't have empty pockets, but welcome to the reality of the league. After the labor stoppage of 2011 say goodbye to guaranteed contracts, at least to the degree they are now.
And whether or not Charlotte lost the trade (they did), you should be happy to get out from Okafor's deal.
[QUOTE=magnax1]What exactly is the point of this trade for the Bobcats? They get more salary [I]and[/I] the worse player.[/QUOTE]
They don't get more salary. Maybe a couple million during TC's last two years, but they save the long term contract of Emeka that eventually pays him over 14 mil in his last year. It saves the team money in the long run.
[QUOTE=Showtime]They don't get more salary. Maybe a couple million during TC's last two years, but they save the long term contract of Emeka that eventually pays him over 14 mil in his last year. It saves the team money in the long run.[/QUOTE]
Well if you look at it over the entire contract, they end up paying more money because Emeka runs for 3 more years over Chandler who is in his final year.
[QUOTE]Swapping Chandler (due to earn $11.7 next season) for Okafor ($10.6 million) will save the Hornets just over $1 million next season and cost them an extra $40-plus million over the final three years of Okafor's deal if the 26-year-old exercises his $14.5 million option for the 2013-14 season. Chandler has just one year left on his contract after this season at $12.6 million.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=El Kabong]Well if you look at it over the entire contract, they end up paying more money because Emeka runs for 3 more years over Chandler who is in his final year.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about the cats. The post I responded to said there was no reason to trade from the cats' perspective. I posted that the reason was to save money over the long run.
Put the money issue aside, this a steal for the hornets. they get a borderline allstar for an overrated injury prone role player. emekas numbers will be 19-10 with paul
Honestly, I think this makes a lot more sense for the Bobcats than the Hornets. Neither is winning a title next year and neither player nets more than a handful of wins/losses next year. So you save money in a time of turmoil for the league.
[QUOTE=Showtime]I was talking about the cats. The post I responded to said there was no reason to trade from the cats' perspective. I posted that the reason was to save money over the long run.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, I misread. Please excuse me and my multi-tasking idiocy.
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Honestly, I think this makes a lot more sense for the Bobcats than the Hornets. Neither is winning a title next year and neither player nets more than a handful of wins/losses next year. So you save money in a time of turmoil for the league.[/QUOTE]
Save money for what :confusedshrug: re-signing felton:confusedshrug: . it's not like free agents are waiting in droves to go to the bobcats. that hada ok foundation and were a borderline playoffs team.
good for the hornets.
[quote=ronnymac]Save money for what :confusedshrug: re-signing felton:confusedshrug: . it's not like free agents are waiting in droves to go to the bobcats. that hada ok foundation and were a borderline playoffs team.[/quote]
For saving money, period. Why lock up long term cash to hold a team together that's going nowhere near contention? Fans don't want an OK team that's borderline 8 seed, they want contention. This is why we're seeing so many of the mediocre teams hold down the fort until their existing contracts expire (or they can move them for lesser deals like this). Players don't give a damn about where they play, they give a damn about who can pay them. Charlotte made themselves somewhat of a player in 2 years, much moreso than they'd have been before.
I don't see the logic in keeping Okafor for an additional 2 years compared to Chandler and having nothing but basically the MLE to lure players that can help you reach the next level. As you said, it's Charlotte, players aren't going to take a paycut to play there, they're going to play there because they can get paid.
They're turning into the biggest joke of the NBA. :wtf:
At least the Grizzlies try to get talent in return.
I wouldn't even have minded if we (Miami) sent Beasley in return, but Chandler? :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]For saving money, period. Why lock up long term cash to hold a team together that's going nowhere near contention? Fans don't want an OK team that's borderline 8 seed, they want contention. This is why we're seeing so many of the mediocre teams hold down the fort until their existing contracts expire (or they can move them for lesser deals like this). Players don't give a damn about where they play, they give a damn about who can pay them. Charlotte made themselves somewhat of a player in 2 years, much moreso than they'd have been before.
I don't see the logic in keeping Okafor for an additional 2 years compared to Chandler and having nothing but basically the MLE to lure players that can help you reach the next level. As you said, it's Charlotte, players aren't going to take a paycut to play there, they're going to play there because they can get paid.[/QUOTE]
I like what you're saying. You're making excellent points. But I think you're missing something.
Charlotte Bobcat fans just want to see their team in the playoffs. They've been a lottery team since Day 1. Anyone who's rooted for that since the beginning doesn't care if they'll be good in two years. They were a borderline playoff team last season and they don't want to lose that thrill.
Yeah.
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]For saving money, period. Why lock up long term cash to hold a team together that's going nowhere near contention? Fans don't want an OK team that's borderline 8 seed, they want contention. This is why we're seeing so many of the mediocre teams hold down the fort until their existing contracts expire (or they can move them for lesser deals like this). Players don't give a damn about where they play, they give a damn about who can pay them. Charlotte made themselves somewhat of a player in 2 years, much moreso than they'd have been before.
I don't see the logic in keeping Okafor for an additional 2 years compared to Chandler and having nothing but basically the MLE to lure players that can help you reach the next level. As you said, it's Charlotte, players aren't going to take a paycut to play there, they're going to play there because they can get paid.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough.
And here I thought NO was trying to save money. :confusedshrug:
I'm guessing there's more players or picks involved then just a straight up swap. Much too retarded for Charlotte.
[QUOTE=Glo41]And here I thought NO was trying to save money. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
They're also trying to keep the team alive. Saving money by keeping your total salaries low won't help you if your whole business model is getting slaughtered because you don't have any fans.
Hornets aren't like most other small-market teams in the league now who are simply trying to weather out the recession and come out without too much long-term financial damage. As a Jazz fan, I know that a couple of years of below .500 teams will not seriously affect the team's future in SLC. The Hornets don't have that luxury.
I know it's seems oddly paradoxical that a team in financial trouble is taking on a bigger contract here, but the Hornets simply must convince the fans in their area to come out.
[QUOTE=Hammertime]They're also trying to keep the team alive. Saving money by keeping your total salaries low won't help you if your whole business model is getting slaughtered because you don't have any fans.
Hornets aren't like most other small-market teams in the league now who are simply trying to weather out the recession and come out without too much long-term financial damage. As a Jazz fan, I know that a couple of years of below .500 teams will not seriously affect the team's future in SLC. The Hornets don't have that luxury.
I know it's seems oddly paradoxical that a team in financial trouble is taking on a bigger contract here, but the Hornets simply must convince the fans in their area to come out.[/QUOTE]
:applause: Truth.
Charlotte is going to regret doing this. Okafor will have a breakout season in NOLA.
You can't tell me this trade wasn't made because Okafor wanted out. Okafor is a really good player, and the Hornets are getting a steal. Such a steal for New Orleans.
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]You can't tell me this trade wasn't made because Okafor wanted out. Okafor is a really good player, and the Hornets are getting a steal. Such a steal for New Orleans.[/QUOTE]
If Emeka wanted out, then he shouldn't have just signed his big contract not too long ago. What he wanted was a max deal, but he wasn't going to get it, and instead of leaving, he signed with the cats. I doubt he forced their hand at all. The team is being shopped, and this deal helps cut down the salary by ridding the team of his long term deal.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Wallace shopped as well.
really, really disappointing trade
:banghead:
[QUOTE=Showtime]If Emeka wanted out, then he shouldn't have just signed his big contract not too long ago. What he wanted was a max deal, but he wasn't going to get it, and instead of leaving, he signed with the cats. I doubt he forced their hand at all. The team is being shopped, and this deal helps cut down the salary by ridding the team of his long term deal.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Wallace shopped as well.[/QUOTE]
So you think if the Blazers offered up Jerryd Bayless, and Outlaw, they could get Gerald Wallace in return?
[quote=InspiredLebowski]For saving money, period. Why lock up long term cash to hold a team together that's going nowhere near contention? Fans don't want an OK team that's borderline 8 seed, they want contention. This is why we're seeing so many of the mediocre teams hold down the fort until their existing contracts expire (or they can move them for lesser deals like this). Players don't give a damn about where they play, they give a damn about who can pay them. Charlotte made themselves somewhat of a player in 2 years, much moreso than they'd have been before.
I don't see the logic in keeping Okafor for an additional 2 years compared to Chandler and having nothing but basically the MLE to lure players that can help you reach the next level. As you said, it's Charlotte, players aren't going to take a paycut to play there, they're going to play there because they can get paid.[/quote]
This. The Cats will save about 40 mil with this deal. Look, here's what you'll get with Mek: A smart, classy guy who's unfortunately a center in a power forward's body. He has no real post moves and probably the worst hands of any big man in the game. He can rebound and he can block shots, but when up against all-star big men he gets toasted. After a great rookie season his game has ceased to progress in the last 5 years. Compare to Dwight Howard from the same draft. People saying he's gonna put up 19/10 are dreaming. He's not the offensive powerhouse just waiting for CP3 to unlock his potential. He is what he is.
Is Chandler any better? No. Will it hurt the Cats next season? Possibly, but I don't think so. LB has been saying since he got here that we need to get bigger if we want to compete in the East. The J-rich trade made no sense to me last year and turned out to be one of the best deals we've ever made. I think it was LB not MJ pulling the strings here and I'm inclined to trust he knows what he's doing.
I'm no longer a Bobcat fan.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]This. The Cats will save about 40 mil with this deal. Look, here's what you'll get with Mek: A smart, classy guy who's unfortunately a center in a power forward's body. He has no real post moves and probably the worst hands of any big man in the game. He can rebound and he can block shots, but when up against all-star big men he gets toasted. After a great rookie season his game has ceased to progress in the last 5 years. Compare to Dwight Howard from the same draft. People saying he's gonna put up 19/10 are dreaming. He's not the offensive powerhouse just waiting for CP3 to unlock his potential. He is what he is.
Is Chandler any better? No. Will it hurt the Cats next season? Possibly, but I don't think so. LB has been saying since he got here that we need to get bigger if we want to compete in the East. The J-rich trade made no sense to me last year and turned out to be one of the best deals we've ever made. I think it was LB not MJ pulling the strings here and I'm inclined to trust he knows what he's doing.[/QUOTE]
most fans outside of charlotte dont realize what you said about okafur.i dont think this traded will help either team very much.okafur is a undersized center who struggles against legit centers.if chandler stays healthy,this trade is a wash in my opinion.
[QUOTE=magnax1]What exactly is the point of this trade for the Bobcats? They get more salary [I]and[/I] the worse player.[/QUOTE]
shorter contract? I am shocked they gave up on okafur. I like chandler, but damn.
[QUOTE=lukekarts]They're turning into the biggest joke of the NBA. :wtf:
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At least the Grizzlies try to get talent in return.[/B]
I wouldn't even have minded if we (Miami) sent Beasley in return, but Chandler? :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
:wtf: ?
[QUOTE=lukekarts]They're turning into the biggest joke of the NBA. :wtf:
At least the Grizzlies try to get talent in return.
I wouldn't even have minded if we (Miami) sent Beasley in return, but Chandler? :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
you might wanna take a hammer and hit yourself in the head.
Bobcats got that real center they wanted. Okafor wasn't a real center. Chandler plays defense which Brown wants he is also a monster at shot blocking and rebounding. Problem with Okafor was that he was to slow to play PF and too small to play Center. Diaw/Chandler should make a good front court.
[QUOTE]I asked my wife what percentage of my rants during Bobcats games were due to some stupid thing Okafor did, and she had to agree it was a large part of the pie. Haven't you seen the guy play? Haven't you seen every big man in the league block his feeble attempts at lay-ups? Haven't you seen him pout like a spoiled teenager when he commits a dumb foul? I mean, I got tired of yelling "DUNK THE EFFING BALL" every time he was near the rim[/QUOTE]
This was a comment from the Charlotte Observer page. I must say I've felt that way most of the last 5 years.
I don't know what to make of this trade.
Let's just call it Even Steven and be done with it. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=knickballer]Bobcats got that real center they wanted. Okafor wasn't a real center. Chandler plays defense which Brown wants he is also a monster at shot blocking and rebounding. Problem with Okafor was that he was to slow to play PF and too small to play Center. Diaw/Chandler should make a good front court.[/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=knickballer]Bobcats got that real center they wanted. Okafor wasn't a real center. Chandler plays defense which Brown wants he is also a monster at shot blocking and rebounding. Problem with Okafor was that he was to slow to play PF and too small to play Center. Diaw/Chandler should make a good front court.[/QUOTE]
Okafor is even a better shotblocker and rebonder.
too short? he's 6'10.. u want him to be Gheorghe Muresan?
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. great now the bobcats get a lot worse and ruin any chance of making the play offs:mad: we have charlottes first but it is lotto protected:mad: :mad: :banghead: :banghead:
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]This was a comment from the Charlotte Observer page. I must say I've felt that way most of the last 5 years.[/QUOTE]
just wait to see how disappointed you will be in chandler then.
for the poster who said chandler is a better rebounder/shotblocker, SAY WHAT?
Stats dont show that, game footage dont show that, nothing in reality supports that argument. I do agree that chandler may be a better man-on defender.