that is bs and cant be proved, the olajuwon-led rockets matched up damn well to the bulls.
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that is bs and cant be proved, the olajuwon-led rockets matched up damn well to the bulls.
Since 1980, East has won 14 times and West has won 13 times. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
[QUOTE=lakers-city]
06 mavericks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cavs jordan scored 69 against.[/QUOTE]
Er.... no. Not quite.
[B]1990 Cavs[/B]
G - Mark Price
G- Craig Ehlo
F- Larry Nance
F- Hot Rod Williams
C- Brad Daugherty
Bench: Winston Bennett, Chucky Brown
I'll take the 1990 Cavs vs. the '05-'06 Mavs any day. The Cavs had size, speed, defense, very good point guard play, good ball movement. I would love to see Dirk try to get off with Nance on him.
EDIT: I have both games on DVD and watched them back-to-back recently. Hands-down, Jordan's was the more impressive performance. Not to diminish what Kobe did, but basically he was basically just shooting all night. Jordan actually played defense, grabbed rebounds, etc. When you watch the games its real clear who the better player was. And I'm not a Kobe-hater, just acknowledging the truth.
[QUOTE=Xplicit]Jordan x1000.
[B]How can say with a straight face that Kobe's was more impressive? [/B]You people saying that are the same ones complaining about the rules today against defending wing-players. You complain about how guys like Wade and Lebron have it so easy nowadays without handchecking.. yet you totally fail to mention that Jordan scored his 69 with guys physically abusing him all game. Kobe would NEVER score 69, let alone 81, in Jordan's day with the same handchecking rules. NEVER[/QUOTE]
Because Mj had 5 extra minutes to further increase his stats.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]MJ.
Better overall numbers(18 rebs, 6 assists, 4 stls and 1 blk) against a [b]playoff[/b] team.[/QUOTE]
What about 62 in 3 quarters against the WC champs? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=picc84]What about 62 in 3 quarters against the WC champs? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
You can do the same thing for Jordan, bring up his other games, but this thread is just comparing these [B]2 [/B].
Sure. But he acted as if Kobe couldnt do it to a playoff team. When he did arguably better to the WC champions. It completely invalidates the argument "but it was the raptors".
Too bad MJ didnt score one more bucket. 71 sounds like so much more than 69.
yo someone had this analogy earlier on that comparing Kobe's 82 to Jordan's 69/18 to paying with 82 dollars versus paying with 69 dollars and 18 cents when you buy something. And I'd just like to say to whoever made that analogy.. that is positively the worst analogy in the history of human civilization. it is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to start so I won't. I'm just gonna lay this on the table. that was positively horrible.
I tried to find this for torrent and I searched "jordan 69" and I got like THOUSANDS of porn links :roll::roll:
who is this Jordan Capri? I'd better investigate. very busy girl it seems.
Jordan is better than Kobe. Seriously, how many times do we have to go through this Kobe 81 and Jordan 69 business? We all know that Jordan would have 200 points in a game or something like that compared to Kobe's measley 81 points in a game with versus one of the ****tiest teams in the entire universe on top of that and with Jordan facing the best team with basketball abilities in equivilance to God.
(sorry, belvedaire is very good)
"Measly 81 points" :roll: These haters are pathetic, yeah Jordan would score 200, no wait 2000, ain't nothing for him cause he's God right? Jordan handjobber. :roll:
[QUOTE=04mzwach]Jordan is better than Kobe. Seriously, how many times do we have to go through this Kobe 81 and Jordan 69 business? We all know that Jordan would have 200 points in a game or something like that compared to Kobe's measley 81 points in a game with versus one of the ****tiest teams in the entire universe on top of that and with Jordan facing the best team with basketball abilities in equivilance to God.
(sorry, belvedaire is very good)[/QUOTE]
you're pathetic. playing the "if" game. bottom line is 81>69. To belive that jordan's 69 is better than kobe's 81 is fine and is legit but to play the "if" game and downplay kobe's performance is ridiculous.
And here comes Loki with the efficiency stats........
Haters are so ****in pathetic. Always have to take things away from Kobe.
Kobe scored 81..Jordan didn't..deal with it.
Jordan is the greatest ever but Kobe scored more. He also should've scored more than 69 against Dallas.
Jordan thinks Kobe's the best right now..rightfully so.
im not hating here. Kobe scored 81, MJ didnt. the real qustion is...if MJ took that many more shots, would he have scored more than 81? the reason i think MJ's performance was more impressive was because of what else he did besides scoring. nothing wrong with that..
[QUOTE]Better overall numbers(18 rebs, 6 assists, 4 stls and 1 blk) against a playoff team.[/QUOTE]
OMG, a PLAYOFF team guys...a PLAYOFF team, I recall Kobe dropping 62 points in THREE quarters on the western conference championsions last season...that's more impressive then 81 or 69 by Jordan to me.
Jordan had the better overall game, Kobe obviously had a more impressive scoring night...I mean scoring 11 points above the 69 mark while mentaining the same FG avg as Jordan is amazing...I don't care what y'all say about Kobe, Dirk drops 70 points next season and he'll be more impressive as well to y'all. You guys love to bring the handcheck crap into this discussion, yet can someone care to explain why teams scored significantly more in those days? So I can just as easily say that Kobe could drop 40 PPG playing in the 90's...can't I? I mean I'm playing your game....but, if, and....right?
[QUOTE=Targus™]im not hating here. Kobe scored 81, MJ didnt. the real qustion is...if MJ took that many more shots, would he have scored more than 81? the reason i think MJ's performance was more impressive was because of what else he did besides scoring. nothing wrong with that..[/QUOTE]
got no problem with that, its the idiots that say sh!t like "kobe's measley 81" that gets to me and "if jordan played today he'd avg 50". I mean WTF...i luv MJ but this sh!t pisses me off
Yeah MJ had a better all-around game because of the 18 rebounds, no one is denying that. But if you are going to say what would have happened IF MJ took 9 more shots (which he'd have to make 6 of them to tie it up) then you could also say what would have happened if Kobe's 81 point game went into overtime! The point is, everyone can play the IF game, especially if you want to bring in Kobe's 62 point game in this too!
Jordan took 37 shots and he needed overtime to score 69. So basically, Kobe took 9 shots more, scored 12 poins more and he did it in less time.
Why do people always use WHAT IF excuses and arguments when they talk about Kobe? It's always the same. People just want to take things away from him. It's disrespectful and unfair.
81 is huge. measley and 81 dont belong in the same sentence when it comes to this. how many players can say theyve scored 81 points?
[QUOTE]Kobe scored 81, MJ didnt. the real qustion is...if MJ took that many more shots, would he have scored more than 81? [/QUOTE]
Retarded statement, you didn't notice Kobe shooting 63% to Jordan's 62%? Kobe took the extra shots but he was on pace anyways...not like he scored 80 points while shooting 45%...he shot BETTER then Jordan that night while worrying about SCORING because his team was behind like 20 points...I don't remember that night Jordan scored 69, was his team in the same situation where he had to score? I can't recall...Kobe is the most IMPRESSIVE shooting performance in league HISTORY...there has been some better games by individuals no doubt about it...but Kobe's 81 is more impressive then Wilt's 100 simply because of the weak ass era Wilt played in, and he was a center who was a giant compare to other players...and only like 12 teams existed back in the day, no? Not much competition.
[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]Let's not forget Kobe also scored 62 in 3 quarters and outscored an NBA Finals team.
62 in 3 quarters or 69 in [B]overtime[/B]?[/QUOTE]
in double overtime, wasnt it?
[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]Yeah MJ had a better all-around game because of the 18 rebounds, no one is denying that. But if you are going to say what would have happened IF MJ took 9 more shots (which he'd have to make 6 of them to tie it up) then you could also say what would have happened if Kobe's 81 point game went into overtime! The point is, everyone can play the IF game, especially if you want to bring in Kobe's 62 point game in this too![/QUOTE]
Good post. However it seems that WHAT IF is only used to minimize Kobe.
Yeah, WHAT IF that 81 point game went into overtime? Yeah, what if?
Stop it, idiots. What if doesn't count.. :hammerhead:
[QUOTE]"if jordan played today he'd avg 50". [/QUOTE]
:roll: Don't even get mad over these statements bro, these guys got half a brain...I mean it's simple math, teams in the past scored more points then today...yet somehow Jordan will avg 20 more options while teams score less each game.
Makes a sh*t load of sense to me.
[QUOTE=hotsizzle]in double overtime, wasnt it?[/QUOTE]
It was a double overtime? Damn..
what were kobe's stats when he scored 60 something in 3 quarters?
62 pts..8 rebs..0 assts..3 stls on 18-31 shooting
Over 58% shooting, if you can make them at that rate, who's to say you can't take 60 shots a game, can you imagine people complaining about a prime Shaq taking 40 shots and making 25-30 of them?
[QUOTE=hotsizzle]in double overtime, wasnt it?[/QUOTE]
No, the 63-pt game vs. Boston was.
see now thats even more impressive imo. did it in 3 quarters on 18-31.
[QUOTE=ManUtd]It was a double overtime? Damn..[/QUOTE]
my bad, just checked..only one OT
people act like Kobe played against kindergarteners or something.
They threw like three guys at him most of the time and he schooled them all.
Anyone who says Jordan's 69 was better than 81 id ****in retarded because its all numbers. Of course 81 is better. And kobes 81 was NOT better than wilts 100.
****...Must we go back to school to teach u bastardous haters that the DUCK ALWAYS GOES FOR THE BIGGER QUANTITY....
Im pretty sure u guys that say 69>81 failed math for 1 or 2 reasons.
[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]Over 58% shooting, if you can make them at that rate, who's to say you can't take 60 shots a game, can you imagine people complaining about a prime Shaq taking 40 shots and making 25-30 of them?[/QUOTE]
haha well shaq is dominant..kobe is a ball hog:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=lakerfreak]people act like Kobe played against kindergarteners or something.
They threw like three guys at him most of the time and he schooled them all.
Anyone who says Jordan's 69 was better than 81 id ****in retarded because its all numbers. Of course 81 is better. And kobes 81 was NOT better than wilts 100.
****...Must we go back to school to teach u bastardous haters that the DUCK ALWAYS GOES FOR THE BIGGER QUANTITY....
Im pretty sure u guys that say 69>81 failed math for 1 or 2 reasons.[/QUOTE]
well theres definetly an arguement for MJ's 69 point [B][B]game[/B][/B] being better because he added 18 boards to it but 81>69 no matter what you do to it
[QUOTE=lakerfreak]
****...Must we go back to school to teach u bastardous haters that the DUCK ALWAYS GOES FOR THE BIGGER QUANTITY....
.[/QUOTE]
....and I was always told the > was a crocodile :cry:
but really, you've got to see beyond the scoring, yeah he owned him there. but those 16 or w/e rebounds while scoring, yeesh.
[QUOTE=hotsizzle]haha well shaq is dominant..kobe is a ball hog:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I'll take all the ballhogs in the world if they can give me 58%/63% shooting on 62/81 points.
[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]I'll take all the ballhogs in the world if they can give me 58%/63% shooting on 62/81 points.[/QUOTE]
yea..but..but...but handchecking rules support perimeter players
[QUOTE=hotsizzle]yea..but..but...but handchecking rules support perimeter players[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=Xplicit]Yeah the point was you totally ignore the subject of handchecking.
Guys like Kobe, Lebron, Wade, etc. score 40 so often noawadays, it's almost not even news anymore when they do it. In the 90's, there werent even half-as-many 40-point occurences.
Bottom line:
Jordan getting abused all game long and still scoring 69, with 18 rebounds >>>>>> Kobe getting 81 with these corny handcheck rules.[/QUOTE]
Now it's true that era of basketball was far more difficult to score in but Jordan was absolutely not being abused, I've seen the game quite a few times and they played straight up on MJ with Ehlo (who he always abused) and Mark Price. Even with the handchecking rules players of today would have theyre way with those players.
Now obviously Jordan had the better allaround game but c'mon it's 8 freakin 1 points, to many of you guys act like it's just a walk in the park. I think it's a shame how so many people try to discredit it when they should just sit back and admire it for what it is, a damn great accomplishment.