NBA has suspended Gilbert Arenas indefinitely until investigation ends

I've been against the hiring of Flip Saunders all season. The man should have benched Gilbert for his own sake. You think Byron Scott would've put up with this? Or had his team playing horrible defense?

and now I have to hear from more NBA-hating bigots :banghead:

man can anyone actually feel sorry for this guy now? first off im sure this isn't the FIRST time a gun has been brought out in a locker room in any sport, after all the crazy ****s that have went through im sure it has happened quite a few times, whats ****ed up is someone snitched them out, ok bad luck you got snitched out for doing some massively stupid, but come on the gun thing last night is just plain stupid david stern don't give a ****, everyone knows that he made mark cuban even kowtow , this is micheal vick-ish im sure he MIGHt come back but it won't be anything like before.

[QUOTE=bagelred]How the f-ck is GA suspended and Delonte West DIDN'T get suspended....or did he? Now i'm confused......[/QUOTE]


One major difference is one brought the guns into his place of work.

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and now I have to hear from more NBA-hating bigots :banghead:[/QUOTE]



Why do you keep using the word "bigot?"

[QUOTE=bagelred]How the f-ck is GA suspended and Delonte West DIDN'T get suspended....or did he? Now i'm confused......[/QUOTE]
he suspended him for violating league policy (guns at the arena). I dont think this would've happened if gil didnt act like a complete moron in philly last night. He obviously is taking the situation lightly and stern wasnt having it.

[QUOTE=oh the horror]One major difference is one brought the guns into his place of work.[/QUOTE]

But the REAL difference is one guy had his guns loaded strapped on him and one had them UNloaded stored in his locker. Isn't that the important difference?

There's no logic to it........

[QUOTE=bagelred]But the REAL difference is one guy had his guns loaded strapped on him and one had them UNloaded stored in his locker. Isn't that the important difference?

There's no logic to it........[/QUOTE]



The logic is very simple. Your company is more inclined to lay the slap down on you if youre on their grounds with a firearm.



We dont know yet, what the league plans on doing with Delonte. But he has done a good job of not bringing any heat on himself by staying quiet, and just playing some ball. For all we know...if he is convicted, the league could suspend him as well.


Gilbert forced their hand by opening his mouth, and making it a mockery issue. The league sent him home.

[QUOTE=monkeypox]It would be easier to just start giving out guns as happy meal toys. He'd have 15 guns by the end of the week.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: :roll:

they jus giving him a day off on his bday, he will party it up :)
80 mill contract?dnt thnk hes worth tht much

[QUOTE=bagelred]Niko.....get us some unlicensed firearms
Knicks101......Find out combination to Eddy Curry's locker
Bano.......Hack into MSG's servers and gain access to card key duplicates
ALBaller......Distract Curry outside MSG so we time to manuever..



Let's move people!!!!! The future of the NYK organization depends our mission......[I]giving Knicks secret salute.......Mission Impossible music plays..........[/I][/QUOTE]

WIN!

[QUOTE=vert48]The sad thing is that after going to all that trouble, you would break in and find 3 guns already in the locker.[/QUOTE]

:roll: Even more win :D

[QUOTE=amare68]they jus giving him a day off on his bday, he will party it up :)
80 mill contract?dnt thnk hes worth tht much[/QUOTE]

Damn didn't know today is his birthday.. nice birthday gift from Stern :oldlol:

No one's said this, so I will: We appear to have learned jack **** from Plaxico Burress.[QUOTE=bagelred]How the f-ck is GA suspended and Delonte West DIDN'T get suspended....or did he? Now i'm confused......[/QUOTE]
Because West was at least smart enough not to rub the Commissioner's face in it.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]No one's said this, so I will: We appear to have learned jack **** from Plaxico Burress.
Because West was at least smart enough not to rub the Commissioner's face in it.[/QUOTE]

I think Arenas is simply an honest guy. He's thinking "geez, I made a mistake, but I didn't kill anyone....". He just doesn't play the corporate game well, so Stern will punish him more?

Oy........

[QUOTE=thejumpa]No doubt. $10M is a lot to lose....to anybody. But, when have we ever heard about a contract being voided? [B]Not Stephen Jacksons,Tinsleys, not Monta Ellis...no one. What is the Wizards argument anyway?
[/B]
I'm saying it right now. His contract won't get voided. If I'm wrong I'll use a ****ing Laker avatar for the rest of the season:roll:[/QUOTE]
the wizards and the nba's argument is that gilbert brought the guns onto nba property. first time since stern implemented strict wording to the agreement between the league and p.a. prohibiting fire arms on team property. (since that agreement, i think a player got caught with a gun on a team plane, but not on league property. also i am sure stern and the wizards (and the rest of the league) are eager to void gilbert's contract asap.

[QUOTE=NoGunzJustSkillz]the wizards and the nba's argument is that gilbert brought the guns onto nba property. first time since stern implemented strict wording to the agreement between the league and p.a. prohibiting fire arms on team property. (since that agreement, i think a player got caught with a gun on a team plane, but not on league property. also i am sure stern and the wizards (and the rest of the league) are eager to void gilbert's contract asap.[/QUOTE]

Sebastian Telfair....loaded pistol under his pillow...supposedly his girls gun.

They can be eager all they want (and I'm sure they are), but bringing unloaded guns onto NBA property doesn't seem to be a reason to take away $78M from someone. Well, it's not a very good reason anyway...

[QUOTE=bagelred]I think Arenas is simply an honest guy. He's thinking "geez, I made a mistake, but I didn't kill anyone....". He just doesn't play the corporate game well, so Stern will punish him more?

Oy........[/QUOTE]



You want that corporate money, then you have to play that corporate game. He messed up when he decided to laugh, and make jokes about it. The NBA is a business, and their image means a lot to them. Anyone getting in the way of that, is expendable.

[QUOTE=bagelred]I think Arenas is simply an honest guy. He's thinking "geez, I made a mistake, but I didn't kill anyone....". He just doesn't play the corporate game well, so Stern will punish him more?

Oy........[/QUOTE]

No, Gilbert doesnt have a sense of reality. What he did wasnt anything to joke, make light of. His whole thinkin is he didnt shoot or kill anyone whats the big deal? Not the fact you broke a league rule. Not the fact he better hope those guns are registered. Not the fact that you're now being investigated. He's not honest, he's stupid. There is a difference. Gilbert doesnt know the difference. Thats a problem.

He's the guy who is funny and jokes too much. And there comes a time where the joke isnt funny, intended and you go too far. There is no argument to say he didnt go to far. The NBA wouldnt have reacted this way if Gilbert wasnt pulling his pants down showing his ass and dancing like the banana smiley ISH has :banana: He made fun of it online and in front of fans. Not even the Wizs franchise felt his act was funny.

For him to think he has to do something extreme before he cuts the shenanigans? Shows how much disconnected he can be to reality. And no I dont think he should do time, be kicked out the NBA or any other extreme response that may have been given here. But I do think he should smarten up. Makes too much money for it to be denied and the legal issues which can be a headache could have been avoided. Who knows what happens maybe nothing, maybe something. The fact that you're in in this position where people are now investigating, lookin into, determining things that could/could not affect your life? Stupid, much like Gilbert has been ever since this story broke.

You'd think he'd shut up and say nothing. Thats the smart thing to do, but he's stupid errr honest. :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=thejumpa]Sebastian Telfair....loaded pistol under his pillow...supposedly his girls gun.

They can be eager all they want (and I'm sure they are), but bringing unloaded guns onto NBA property doesn't seem to be a reason to take away $78M from someone. Well, it's not a very good reason anyway...[/QUOTE]
he is bringing bad publicity to the nba. stern, here is a guy that makes his players wear suits to games and after games. he doesn't want the league portrayed as some gangster gangster league. gilbert is an absolute idiot for putting himself into a situation such as this. if gil kept them guns in his locker, maybe i agree with you. but joke or not, you don't put 3 guns onto somebodies seat after a heated argument and think that player is gonna take it as a joke.

[QUOTE=thejumpa]Sebastian Telfair....loaded pistol under his pillow...supposedly his girls gun.

They can be eager all they want (and I'm sure they are), but bringing unloaded guns onto NBA property doesn't seem to be a reason to take away $78M from someone. Well, it's not a very good reason anyway...[/QUOTE]
It's not the NBA that is going to take away his money, but I assume the Wizards organization would leap at the opportunity to void his contract. And depending on what he is charged with and whether he is convicted, that is just what they might have.

Has he been charged with anything yet? I know Gilbert says it was a joke and that he didn't threaten Crittenton, but what has Crittenton said about it? And was Gilbert seriously refusing to pay a gambling debt when he makes $20 million a year?

[QUOTE=GOBB]No, Gilbert doesnt have a sense of reality. What he did wasnt anything to joke, make light of. His whole thinkin is he didnt shoot or kill anyone whats the big deal? Not the fact you broke a league rule. Not the fact he better hope those guns are registered. Not the fact that you're now being investigated. He's not honest, he's stupid. There is a difference. Gilbert doesnt know the difference. Thats a problem.

He's the guy who is funny and jokes too much. And there comes a time where the joke isnt funny, intended and you go too far. There is no argument to say he didnt go to far. The NBA wouldnt have reacted this way if Gilbert wasnt pulling his pants down showing his ass and dancing like the banana smiley ISH has :banana: He made fun of it online and in front of fans. Not even the Wizs franchise felt his act was funny.

For him to think he has to do something extreme before he cuts the shenanigans? Shows how much disconnected he can be to reality. And no I dont think he should do time, be kicked out the NBA or any other extreme response that may have been given here. But I do think he should smarten up. Makes too much money for it to be denied and the legal issues which can be a headache could have been avoided. Who knows what happens maybe nothing, maybe something. The fact that you're in in this position where people are now investigating, lookin into, determining things that could/could not affect your life? Stupid, much like Gilbert has been ever since this story broke.

You'd think he'd shut up and say nothing. Thats the smart thing to do, but he's stupid errr honest. :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]

So you think he should be punished more because he's an idiot? I don't.

And everyone LOVES the little banana guy, don't you? :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

This is the same David Stern who didn't punish Isiah Thomas when he was found responsible for sexual harassment....am I right? WTF?

How DARE you Gilbert....How DARE you......finger wagging.........give me a break. Punish the guy....make sure punishment fits the crime....let's be done with it....But a whole rest of season or more would be outrageous.

Void his contract, tank, and then get johnny wall and sign CB4?

[QUOTE=bagelred]So you think he should be punished more because he's an idiot? I don't.

And everyone LOVES the little banana guy, don't you? :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

This is the same David Stern who didn't punish Isiah Thomas when he was found responsible for sexual harassment....am I right? WTF?

How DARE you Gilbert....How DARE you......finger wagging.........give me a break. Punish the guy....make sure punishment fits the crime....let's be done with it....But a whole rest of season or more would be outrageous.[/QUOTE]
Sexual harrassment is pretty different from assualt and illegal weapons charges, and how the NBA deals with a General Manager is pretty different from how they deal with players.

I think Arenas probably was thinking if he makes light of the situation or makes it into a "joke" (like he was pulling to gun out on a teammate as a "joke") that it would blow over easier. So he was probably doing that stuff as part of a strategy, but it just dug himself deeper into a hole.

Pretty bad miscalculation, lol.

[QUOTE=A.M.G.]Sexual harrassment is pretty different from assualt and illegal weapons charges, and how the NBA deals with a General Manager is pretty different from how they deal with players.[/QUOTE]

:lol There ya have it.......

[QUOTE=A.M.G.]It's not the NBA that is going to take away his money, but I assume the Wizards organization would leap at the opportunity to void his contract. And depending on what he is charged with and whether he is convicted, that is just what they might have.

Has he been charged with anything yet? I know Gilbert says it was a joke and that he didn't threaten Crittenton, b[B]ut what has Crittenton said about it?[/B] And was Gilbert seriously refusing to pay a gambling debt when he makes $20 million a year?[/QUOTE]
this is what i want to know..

[QUOTE=NoGunzJustSkillz]he is bringing bad publicity to the nba. stern, here is a guy that makes his players wear suits to games and after games. he doesn't want the league portrayed as some gangster gangster league. gilbert is an absolute idiot for putting himself into a situation such as this. if gil kept them guns in his locker, maybe i agree with you. but joke or not, you don't put 3 guns onto somebodies seat after a heated argument and think that player is gonna take it as a joke.[/QUOTE]

I agree....Arenas is an idiot. To be honest, I have never felt like he was worth $121M...always thought he was a smartass. I'm sure of that now:oldlol:. But, that doesn't mean they should take all his money. Suspension,fine...yes. A loss of $78M over [I]this?[/I]. Come on, you can't possibly think that's reasonable. That's assuming no one was threatened, though.

The Wiz feel stupid for signing him and see a perfect opportunity to get that money back seeing as they aren't going anywhere. I understand that. Based off of what he have seen in the past, I can't see them having a real strong argument.

It will all come down to what really happened between him and that bench player, though.

JC ain't got to say jack sheet about the situation. He's the victim in this propaganda...

[QUOTE=Soundwave]I think Arenas probably was thinking if he makes light of the situation or makes it into a "joke" (like he was pulling to gun out on a teammate as a "joke") that it would blow over easier. So he was probably doing that stuff as part of a strategy, but it just dug himself deeper into a hole.

Pretty bad miscalculation, lol.[/QUOTE]
really who the fck would think like this? it's just mind boggling how fcking stupid a millionaire can be at times.

[QUOTE=thejumpa]I agree....Arenas is an idiot. To be honest, I have never felt like he was worth $121M...always thought he was a smartass. I'm sure of that now:oldlol:. But, that doesn't mean they should take all his money. Suspension,fine...yes. A loss of $78M over [I]this?[/I]. Come on, you can't possibly think that's reasonable. That's assuming no one was threatened, though.

The Wiz feel stupid for signing him and see a perfect opportunity to get that money back seeing as they aren't going anywhere. I understand that. Based off of what he have seen in the past, I can't see them having a real strong argument.

[B]It will all come down to what really happened between him and that bench player, though.[/B][/QUOTE]
i agree with your post. however imo if gilbert sees any jail time, the wizards will have a strong case to cease his contract.

[QUOTE=bagelred]So you think he should be punished more because he's an idiot? I don't. [/quote]

Punished more? He was suspended indefinately. He was probably gonna be suspended after the legal process ran its course. But now? He's being suspended early until they determine his actual suspension because he was acting a fool. He brought this on himself. What punished more are we speaking on?

Voiding contract? That'll be a fight. Cant think of anything else.

[quote]But a whole rest of season or more would be outrageous.[/QUOTE]

If its more than the rest of this season? I'll agree. But with Gilbert who knows what he says or does now. Could rub Stern the wrong way even more.

[QUOTE=bagelred]So you think he should be punished more because he's an idiot? I don't.

And everyone LOVES the little banana guy, don't you? :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

This is the same David Stern who didn't punish Isiah Thomas when he was found responsible for sexual harassment....am I right? WTF?

How DARE you Gilbert....How DARE you......finger wagging.........give me a break. Punish the guy....make sure punishment fits the crime....let's be done with it....But a whole rest of season or more would be outrageous.[/QUOTE]
The difference between Isiah and Gilbert is pretty big. I agree that they should have suspended Isiah without pay for 30 days, but on the other hand he didn't rub Stern's face in it. Isiah didn't get on Twitter and ***** about how everyone was picking on him.

I mean, I'm sure if Isiah would have dry humped that broad during a televised game than they would have taken some more disciplinary action. That's pretty comparable to the reaction Arenas put on last night.

so when somebody gets suspended without pay, where does that money go?? back to the owner?? the nba?? stern's pockets??

[QUOTE=beasly15]so when somebody gets suspended without pay, where does that money go?? back to the owner?? the nba?? stern's pockets??[/QUOTE]

damn are you stupid? without pay means the guy that was paying you stopped paying you...so in this case it would be the owner...seriously...

[QUOTE=bagelred]So you think he should be punished more because he's an idiot? I don't.

And everyone LOVES the little banana guy, don't you? :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

This is the same David Stern who didn't punish Isiah Thomas when he was found responsible for sexual harassment....am I right? WTF?

How DARE you Gilbert....How DARE you......finger wagging.........give me a break. Punish the guy....make sure punishment fits the crime....let's be done with it....But a whole rest of season or more would be outrageous.[/QUOTE]
That's not what GoBB said (and I agree with) at all. You remember the phrase, "you play too much" when we were kids? That's Arenas. Whether or not Stern is being fair isn't the issue. What the deal is, is that Stern has the power to punish Arenas severely so Arenas had better straighten his **** out, stop trying to be so damn funny and realize everything he stands to lose. Because sports commissioners will absolutely make an example out of a player like Arenas to convey the message to the public as well as the other players that the behavior isn't tolerated. Is that going to lead to a fair punishment? Probably not. But it's what's going to happen. It's reality. And so Arenas had better deal with it, because Stern isn't going anywhere, and even if he did, whoever replaced him wouldn't put up with **** either.

[QUOTE=The_Yearning]damn are you stupid? without pay means the guy that was paying you stopped paying you...so in this case it would be the owner...seriously...[/QUOTE]

but you know stern has to get some of that. he just dabs the owner and says "we got him, have my money ready".

If he had just said, "no comment", he'd still be playing and getting paid.

Gilberts mouth may have just cost him 80 million and his job.

[QUOTE=bdreason]If he had just said, "no comment".[/QUOTE]


Thats the route I would have taken. NO COMMENT.

Arenas is not very bright...to say the least.

When you are under investigation, and your future monetary contract is possibly in doubt, the last thing you want to do is attract unwanted attention by mimicking a gun shooting in front of 20,000 people and the TV cameras....Joking or not, it's the last thing the NBA and Stern want to see. That had to have been the last straw. Arenas just doesn't get it.

I mean seriously, does he even have a functioning brain?

[QUOTE=chazzy][IMG]http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9690/gilbertarenas0110580.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

The funny thing is Brendon Haywood hinted at this before, when he was singing "I've got a big ego-o-o", that song by Kanye/Beyonce when Arenas was talking to reporters and throwing his teammates under the bus earlier in the season after a string of losses.

It seems like in that picture, the wizards set Arenas up. It was all planned :oldlol:

hahah it does look like they set him up! I wonder what his teammates are thinking now. Surely they saw this coming. Deshawn Stephenson seems like a smart guy...