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with this new pill it will allow us to age slower!
[QUOTE=inclinerator]with this new pill it will allow us to age slower![/QUOTE]
it's not a pill, it's something you inject in your buttcheeks. Steroids!
plenty of good oral steroids around.
"There are some rumors...", "It is said...". Yeah, good sources. Of course, the whole concept is a joke, but still 80+ replies, in order to speculate whether this could happen and what he'd average.
Jordan isn't coming back, period. Maybe he could do it for 1 game, just to show he can become the only HOF member who can return to playing action and to keep ahead of Wilt in the ppg section (factoid: a few years ago, an Italian legend, Marzorati, did just that: Returned in action at the age of about 55, but only for one game and for like 2 minutes). A span of 5 games at 10 ppg will already drop him in second place. Of course this ppg estimation is a completely rough one. Tough to estimate what he'd average, especially since there's there's nobody who played at 50 and nobody who came back after a 10-year retirement, let alone both. But definitely not close to 20 ppg, and nobody would. Look at his mpg, ppg and efficiency as a 39-40 y.o Wizard and compare to what he did as a 34-35 y.o in a tougher defensively league. Still not even close. Yet, he'd remain the same as a 50 y.o, especially if he plays for some team with a decent seriousness level? 20 would be more like his season high. 50 years old is not 40. Not in terms of athleticism, time to reach high fitness levels, stamina, ability to stay healthy, etc. Else, there would be no reason for the best 40-year olds to retire. They'd have a good 10 years in front of them.
He would be DECENT on offense. He couldn't drive and sure as hell couldn't dunk, but he could probably average 10-12 a game on fadeaways at like 43%. But he would get utterly destroyed on defense. He could probably make a roster but he wouldn't see any decent PT outside of his name.
[QUOTE=beermonsteroo]I never claimed I have a printed source. Just what someone who knows Charlotte basketball well told me he has heared about it. Don't belive it myself, but if
[QUOTE=joyner82]He would be DECENT on offense. He couldn't drive and sure as hell couldn't dunk, but he could probably average 10-12 a game on fadeaways at like 43%. But he would get utterly destroyed on defense. He could probably make a roster but he wouldn't see any decent PT outside of his name.[/QUOTE]
I am sure that he can still dunk on a breakaway. If you are 6 6 and have freakin long hands it isn't all that difficult to dunk.
I rember seeing a charity game in which Domique throwing down an alley opp jam of a Magic pass. Nique was 44 or something and had like 40 pounds of fat around his belly. No problem a slim Jordan can dunk at 50.
Swap whoever is SG on the Nets with current-form MJ and they win more than 11 games......
[QUOTE=beermonsteroo]I am sure that he can still dunk on a breakaway. If you are 6 6 and have freakin long hands it isn't all that difficult to dunk.
I rember seeing a charity game in which Domique throwing down an alley opp jam of a Magic pass. Nique was 44 or something and had like 40 pounds of fat around his belly. No problem a slim Jordan can dunk at 50.[/QUOTE]
I meant more or less he couldn't drive and dunk. I'm sure he can dunk with ease on a breakaway..6'6 women can dunk, Jordan has a longer wingspan and probably 10 inches on vert.
[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]So then you could see him being a 30 ppg scorer, because some people in here are claiming he would be a 20 ppg scorer. If you think he would be better than people think, then I have some news for you, people get to be worse players as they age not better. I bet that MJ would be the last guy up the court every time. He would play less than 20 minutes, and score less than ten points.[/QUOTE]
I dind't say he would be a 30 ponints scorer regularly. I just say that if he was healthy and would bring himself in a really good shape, as good as you can be at 50, there is a chance that on a very very good night Jordan could drop 30. 10pts a game on 20-25 minutes a game certainly would be possible for the season. Especially if he avoided back to back games. So playing in 60 games with an average of 20-25 minutes. Yes i Do see Jordan averaging above 10 points.
First of all MJ coming back at 50 is a joke. I was not going to participate in this dumb thread but let's say for the sake of argument:
Running back and forth on the court is part of the game. MJ would be averaging 80 trips back and forth. Any 50 year old will be out of breath just jogging on the court without a game being involved and I don't care who you are, 50 year olds are not doing that and being involved in a NBA game.
Also, you are running hard and having to play defense.....where is the energy for MJ to even try to create on guy's half his age and full of energy, on offense.
Break away dunks?....I doubt it...he would have to get a full sprint at the basket to dunk and I doubt he has any speed. A pro basketball player will chase him down.
MJ would average 10ppg if the NBA was only player on halfcourt and winners take out.
[QUOTE=Desperado]Kobe at 31: 4 rings
Jordan at 31: 3 rings
Jordan = retired
Kobe = still playing
Lakers are by far the best team in the West, Kobe is only 31 years old and his core is younger then he is. He will play dominant basketball till age 35, and can play well even up till 37 or 38 because Bynum will be a force by then. That gives Kobe 7-8 more contending seasons.
Lakers core: Bryant 31, Odom 30, Gasol 29, Bynum 22, Artest 30
end thread.[/QUOTE]
Jordan's rings without star big man: 6
Kobe's rings without star big man: 0
Jordan's rings as number 1 option: 6
Kobe's rings as number 1 option: 1
Jordan's Finals MVPs: 6
Kobe's Finals MVPs: 1
Jordan's MVPs: 5
Kobe's MVPs: 1
Jordan's seasons shooting 50% or better: 8
Kobe's seasons shooting 50% or better: 0 :roll: :roll: :roll:
Jordan's seasons shooting 50% or better in the PLAYOFFS: 6
Kobe's seasons shooting 50% or better in the PLAYOFFS: 1
Jordan's seasons scoring 30 or more PPG: 9
Kobe's seasons scoring 30 or more PPG: 3
Jordan's seasons averaging 30 PPG or better in the PLAYOFFS: 12
Kobe's seasons averaging 30 PPG or better in the PLAYOFFS: 4
Jordan's seasons averaging 6 assists or more: 7
Kobe's seasons averaging 6 assists or more: 3
Jordan's seasons averaging 6 assists or more in the PLAYOFFS: 11
Kobe's seasons averaging 6 assists or more in the PLAYOFFS: 5
Jordan's DPOY awards: 1
Kobe's DPOY awards: 0
Jordan's All-Star appearances: 14
Kobe's All-Star appearances: 12
Jordan's All-NBA 1st team selections: 10
Kobe's All-NBA 1st team selections: 7
Jordan's All-Defensive 1st team selections: 9
Kobe's All-Defensive 1st team selections: 7(plus it's a FACT his last few were based on reputation and NOT actual defensive play)
People who think Jordan is GOAT: The majority of the basketball world
People who think Kobe is GOAT: Alphawolf/Soopa/Desperado, KB42PAH, Fatal9, Cantstop. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Note: All numbers are rounded up accordingly.
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html[/url]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html[/url]
/END THREAD
[QUOTE=TheLogo]First of all MJ coming back at 50 is a joke. I was not going to participate in this dumb thread but let's say for the sake of argument:
Running back and forth on the court is part of the game. MJ would be averaging 80 trips back and forth. Any 50 year old will be out of breath just jogging on the court without a game being involved and I don't care who you are, 50 year olds are not doing that and being involved in a NBA game.
Also, you are running hard and having to play defense.....where is the energy for MJ to even try to create on guy's half his age and full of energy, on offense.
Break away dunks?....I doubt it...he would have to get a full sprint at the basket to dunk and I doubt he has any speed. A pro basketball player will chase him down.
MJ would average 10ppg if the NBA was only player on halfcourt and winners take out.[/QUOTE]
There are people running 100m in 11 flat seconds at age 50. There are people running the marathon in under 2:50 at age 50. If you are healthy and train hard it is possible. Just look how this 60 year old man can compete with an pro rugby player. The guy is 60 and tunning the 100m in 11.3. I say at least 8 percent of all NBA players right now are not faster!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6Q0-cpNlaQ[/url]
Today is April 5th, right? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]Jordan's rings without star big man: 6
Kobe's rings without star big man: 0
Jordan's rings as number 1 option: 6
Kobe's rings as number 1 option: 1
Jordan's Finals MVPs: 6
Kobe's Finals MVPs: 1
Jordan's MVPs: 5
Kobe's MVPs: 1
Jordan's seasons shooting 50% or better: 8
Kobe's seasons shooting 50% or better: 0 :roll: :roll: :roll:
Jordan's seasons shooting 50% or better in the PLAYOFFS: 6
Kobe's seasons shooting 50% or better in the PLAYOFFS: 1
Jordan's seasons scoring 30 or more PPG: 9
Kobe's seasons scoring 30 or more PPG: 3
Jordan's seasons averaging 30 PPG or better in the PLAYOFFS: 12
Kobe's seasons averaging 30 PPG or better in the PLAYOFFS: 4
Jordan's seasons averaging 6 assists or more: 7
Kobe's seasons averaging 6 assists or more: 3
Jordan's seasons averaging 6 assists or more in the PLAYOFFS: 11
Kobe's seasons averaging 6 assists or more in the PLAYOFFS: 5
Jordan's DPOY awards: 1
Kobe's DPOY awards: 0
Jordan's All-Star appearances: 14
Kobe's All-Star appearances: 12
Jordan's All-NBA 1st team selections: 10
Kobe's All-NBA 1st team selections: 7
Jordan's All-Defensive 1st team selections: 9
Kobe's All-Defensive 1st team selections: 7(plus it's a FACT his last few were based on reputation and NOT actual defensive play)
People who think Jordan is GOAT: The majority of the basketball world
People who think Kobe is GOAT: Alphawolf/Soopa/Desperado, KB42PAH, Fatal9, Cantstop. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Note: All numbers are rounded up accordingly.
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html[/url]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html[/url]
/END THREAD[/QUOTE]
wow pwned
Jost for those who think Jordan can't dunk anymore:lol :lol :lol :lol
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqlBUj9bFC4[/url]
At the end of the video he gets two easy jams and you can clearly see that he isn't trying hard to jump at all
[COLOR=Teal][B]Common sense is not so common: why would Jordan, who's nothing left to prove and is considered by many to be the greatest, return as a player at the age of grandpas?
Can't we just enjoy watching legends like Kobe and LeBron who are actually trying to prove their mettle and climb up the alltime greats list?
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[QUOTE=KelticForce1349]Today is April 5th, right? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
the 6th actually
[QUOTE=sbw19][COLOR=Teal][B]Common sense is not so common: why would Jordan, who's nothing left to prove and is considered by many to be the greatest, return as a player at the age of grandpas?
Can't we just enjoy watching legends like Kobe and LeBron who are actually trying to prove their mettle and climb up the alltime greats list?
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Somehow you are right. But isn't discussing "what could be " also fun?
[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]the 6th actually[/QUOTE]
You will need to excuse me, I felt I was being slowly pulled back to the first of the month. I swear it's now April 3rd.
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[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]Jordan's rings without star big man: 6
Kobe's rings without star big man: 0
Jordan's rings as number 1 option: 6
Kobe's rings as number 1 option: 1
Jordan's Finals MVPs: 6
Kobe's Finals MVPs: 1
Jordan's MVPs: 5
Kobe's MVPs: 1
Jordan's seasons shooting 50% or better: 8
Kobe's seasons shooting 50% or better: 0 :roll: :roll: :roll:
Jordan's seasons shooting 50% or better in the PLAYOFFS: 6
Kobe's seasons shooting 50% or better in the PLAYOFFS: 1
Jordan's seasons scoring 30 or more PPG: 9
Kobe's seasons scoring 30 or more PPG: 3
Jordan's seasons averaging 30 PPG or better in the PLAYOFFS: 12
Kobe's seasons averaging 30 PPG or better in the PLAYOFFS: 4
Jordan's seasons averaging 6 assists or more: 7
Kobe's seasons averaging 6 assists or more: 3
Jordan's seasons averaging 6 assists or more in the PLAYOFFS: 11
Kobe's seasons averaging 6 assists or more in the PLAYOFFS: 5
Jordan's DPOY awards: 1
Kobe's DPOY awards: 0
Jordan's All-Star appearances: 14
Kobe's All-Star appearances: 12
Jordan's All-NBA 1st team selections: 10
Kobe's All-NBA 1st team selections: 7
Jordan's All-Defensive 1st team selections: 9
Kobe's All-Defensive 1st team selections: 7(plus it's a FACT his last few were based on reputation and NOT actual defensive play)
People who think Jordan is GOAT: The majority of the basketball world
People who think Kobe is GOAT: Alphawolf/Soopa/Desperado, KB42PAH, Fatal9, Cantstop. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Note: All numbers are rounded up accordingly.
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html[/url]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html[/url]
/END THREAD[/QUOTE]
:roll:
owned completely
His shooting wouldn't be the issue. It would be that he'd be 49 going on 50 and probably with little to no athleticism. Then again, I doubt he'd be less athletic than a 35 year old Larry Bird.
[QUOTE=sbw19][COLOR=Teal][B]Common sense is not so common: why would Jordan, who's nothing left to prove and is considered by many to be the greatest, return as a player at the age of grandpas?
Can't we just enjoy watching legends like Kobe and LeBron who are actually trying to prove their mettle and climb up the alltime greats list?
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Money, he owns the Bobcats, would be great publicity. First majority owner/player. Would get them a lot of national exposure.
Also i could see Jordan thinking that it would add to his legacy, stats aside, if he showed he could still play in the NBA at 50.
It still seems highly unlikely it will happen though.
Just to the add 1 more thing:
[B]IF[/B] Jordan plays, his performance is irrelevant. His goal is to get you to watch his team and you all will.
To me, he will probably be able to play just obviously not at a high level. This isn't your ordinary 50 year old. And 50 isn't THAT old....geez.
He would hit jumpers, maybe getting 10 - 15 PPG, he'd have to defend slowest man on court probably. He'd be an average NBA'er. Some nights he'd look good, some nights slow and old.
The problem is this: He'd hurt himself. The ligaments, tendons, muscles, etc. just don't respond the same, and when playing at the highest level, something's going to go. He'll probably play well for 7 - 8 games, then something will "pop".
That's my take.
[QUOTE=EricForman]i like how everyone is taking this ridiculous fantasy scenario to bash MJ "HE'LL GET EMBARASSED!" "He'll get destroyed and owned and swatted!!!" "He wouldn't be able to score 5 points!" as if it means anything. i mean, wouldnt any 50 year old be torched? so what's the use of these statements?
and they're all people with Laker logo in their avatars :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: Why are you being so sensitive? What they said wasn't harsh at all, it's called being realistic. It has nothing to do with his career or what he did in his prime, those kind of statements would be said about ANY player around the age of 50.
his athleticism shouldnt be an argument when talking about scoring.
Kevin Durant was nearly last in the nba draft combine out of 80 players(he couldnt even bench 185 lbs) and we all know what hes capable of scoring now.
Bye the way, Nat Hickey of the 1947-48 Providence Steamrollers, at 46, was the oldest player in NBA history. If hecould play at age 46 back then, Jordan can easiliy today. 46 years back then is easily 56 years today.
[QUOTE=chazzy]:oldlol: Why are you being so sensitive? What they said wasn't harsh at all, it's called being realistic. It has nothing to do with his career or what he did in his prime, those kind of statements would be said about ANY player around the age of 50.[/QUOTE]
you must have missed the part where i said "wuoldnt any 50 year old be embarassed?" and then some kobe fan argued that bird at 50 would be more efficient because he was taller and had a higher arching shot and such.
the replies are immature because jordan didnt say he is planning on coming back at 2012, the op's post was so ridiculous that no one should take it seriously. i'm not arguing that mike could play at 50 too, no 50 year old human being can hang in the NBA over the course of a season. but these guys with the laker/kobe avatars, you can sense venom and joy in their response. "no, mike would get his shot swatted in his face! he wouldnt do sh*t!" followed by a laughing emoticon. come on man, it doesn't take sensitivity to see the agenda and the bitterness in that. they're just jumping on any chance to bash the guy.
as for mike making a throwaway comment at the HOF speech that he could play now, most athletes have egos and most would say the same thing. i bet you when kobe is 44 he doesnt watch the NBA rookies and think "man these kids would run circles around me". Wilt was sitting around talking bitter and proclaiming this and that at 60. I bet you every former-player-turned-assistant-coach has some sort of swagger and talk a bit of smack during practices. What, you think they come to practice and say "okay, i used to be good but now i am an old man. im sure you can beat me right now" to a 12th man? You think Kareem walks into Laker practices in 2006 and concedes Chris Mihm could whup his ass? Magic probably watches Jordan Farmar run the break and think to himself he could do better right now. All great players think like that.
all players have egos. and again, the comments on here bashing Jordan over what the OP wrote is just stupid.
[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Jordan could still score in the NBA I'm sure with his size at the 2 guard position and fadeaway/mid-range jumper. I mean he averaged 20/6/4 on 45% shooting in 2003.[/QUOTE]
On a losing team, which means absolutely nothing
[QUOTE=EricForman]
[B]50 year old mike would be better than 50 year old kobe[/B]. jordan at any age was better than kobe at the same age.
end thread.[/QUOTE]
Are you serious ?
You have some major insecurity problems i am very sorry.
You need to get off Jordans nuts. You seem to be in pain whenever someone doesnt worship him
And your last statement is false. Kobe was getting drafted when he was 17. Jordan was getting cut from his high school team
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wow.
This would of been such a better post if you made it on the first of the month ;)
[QUOTE=Freshprince619]Are you serious ?
You have some major insecurity problems i am very sorry.
You need to get off Jordans nuts. You seem to be in pain whenever someone doesnt worship him
And your last statement is false. Kobe was getting drafted when he was 17. Jordan was getting cut from his high school team[/QUOTE]
so you're saying that kobe's better than jordan because he didn't get cut from his hs team?
[QUOTE=Positive]so you're saying that kobe's better than jordan because he didn't get cut from his hs team?[/QUOTE]
Do you know how to read dumb f*ck. Were talking at the same age of 17
:hammerhead:
If I were going to bring back MJ at 50, the only way I could see him being effective on my team is as a PF. I'd tell him to hit weights super hard and try to emulate barkley. He could probably get his shot off vs big men and if not draw some fouls... he could get some boards, too. But there is no way he could play the perimeter. I mean, he could... and he could probably get some points, too, but it wouldn't be in the best interest of the team. On the other hand, lower body strength has a lot to do with all of the big man aspects and we already know Jordan is relatively strong anyway. Plus like I said he could get that fade away on anyone. And then he could run slow on breaks and spot up for three. That would be the only way I could see him playing.
As much as I dislike Jordan, I'd say it's a testament to his greatness that some of you are even entertaining the idea.
-Smak
[QUOTE=Freshprince619]On a losing team, which means absolutely nothing[/QUOTE]
Yes, it means "absolutely nothing" to be able to average [B]23.2 pts/7.2 reb/3.8 ast/1.5 stl/.5 blk/46.2% FG[/B] over the final 30 games of the 2003 season [b]after turning age 40[/b] in the best pro league in the world. Means nothing at all.
Age is an obstacle, no matter how good you are.
This thread is = to Kobe's 3rd year on his extension making 33mil and probably getting owned on a regular night.
Maybe it will work out , but if not Lakers screwed them selves , and I do not think MJ would do that to his team at the age of 50 :D