[QUOTE=Jacks25]STFU you moronic Jordan dick-rider. Pathetic losers.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Jacks25]STFU you moronic Jordan dick-rider. Pathetic losers.[/QUOTE]
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When you get banned, that's not a free pass to make another account.
Kobe's series vs the Suns=Greatest shooting exhibition in history. :applause:
[QUOTE=PowerGlove]:roll:
When you get banned, that's not a free pass to make another account.[/QUOTE]
wut
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]lol @ people thinking Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's. Wow. Kobe is easily the most overrated player ever - and that's saying a lot, considering he's probably one of the BEST 8-10 players ever (different from the top 10 all-time). Dude just has to do something VERY WELL, and his fans will exaggerate shit and act like he's better at it than THE BEST EVER at it.[/QUOTE]
Nobody said that Kobe was better than MJ from the post. I just don't think theirs a huge difference if any to believe that Jordan was a superior post player than Kobe. MJ was stronger but the skills are still there to be judged, & Kobe has not shown that he sucks from the post on the contrary he's shown that he's top 3 in the league when it comes to post players. I don;t think that's overrating
[SIZE="4"][/SIZE][QUOTE=tpols]Why is it that jordan is better? Oh thats right. He's better simply because his name is Michael Jordan.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
That's the biggest NBA cliche
NO but seriously, Has Kobe shown any sign of weakness in the post that makes you believe that Jordan is superior than him, cause I wanna see it.
I Wanna Refresh some of you guys memory before you start calling me a Kobe homer, or that I'm overhyping Kobe by downgrading MJ [SIZE="4"][B]JORDAN IS THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME AND KOBE AT THIS POINT CAN"T DO NOTHING TO CHANGE THAT[/B][/SIZE]
[QUOTE=G-Funk]Nope, Kobe shot alot less then MJ I think it's 19 to 23 by MJ . And if Kobe hit 50% he would average 27 that's only 2 more points(1 shot) where did you give him 5 more points?
Kobe's post game is phenomemal, You saw Jordan do it more often because he had no inside precence, like Kobe has had with Shaq, Gasol & Bynum. Just because Jordan scored more from the post does not mean he was better at doing it.[/QUOTE]
Of course he has less shot attempts per game, because he has far less games of hitting half his shots...his not capable of hitting 50% of his shots, his shot selection(bad at times) won't allow it.....you guys are killing me :oldlol:
Kobe needs to shoot more to score like MJ
What's saying those shots are not 3's or And 1's...I went to the max number
perfect example imo there 35 point seasons
Jordan 1998 FGA, 10.5 FT pg, 35 ppg 2868 pts 54%
Kobe 2173 FGA, 10.2 FT pg, 35 ppg 2832 pts 45%
So now Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's.....wow, you guys are killing me, anything Kobe does is the best ever...its becoming comical...I expect better from you, because I know your brighter than this...so I'm guessing you are just trying to debate/argue.....
[QUOTE=Calabis]Of course he has less shot attempts per game, because he has far less games of hitting half his shots...his not capable of hitting 50% of his shots, his shot selection(bad at times) won't allow it.....you guys are killing me :oldlol:
Kobe needs to shoot more to score like MJ
What's saying those shots are not 3's or And 1's...I went to the max number
perfect example imo there 35 point seasons
Jordan 1998 FGA, 10.5 FT pg, 35 ppg 2868 pts 54%
Kobe 2173 FGA, 10.2 FT pg, 35 ppg 2832 pts 45%
So now Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's.....wow, you guys are killing me, anything Kobe does is the best ever...its becoming comical...I expect better from you, because I know your brighter than this...so I'm guessing you are just trying to debate/argue.....[/QUOTE]
While jordan was more efficient, the league average for shooting was shown to be higher when jordan played in the 80s. We've already admitted jordan was a better overall scorer than kobe.
What I would really like to know is how jordan's post game was superior to kobe's. How? They both PERFECTED the skills necessary to be successful in the post. Is Michael better because he mastered it first? Or is it because of his name? What's the reason? You've never given one. Just smilies and idiotic statements of exxageration.
[QUOTE=Calabis]Of course he has less shot attempts per game, because he has far less games of hitting half his shots...his not capable of hitting 50% of his shots, his shot selection(bad at times) won't allow it.....you guys are killing me :oldlol:
Kobe needs to shoot more to score like MJ
What's saying those shots are not 3's or And 1's...I went to the max number
perfect example imo there 35 point seasons
Jordan 1998 FGA, 10.5 FT pg, 35 ppg 2868 pts 54%
Kobe 2173 FGA, 10.2 FT pg, 35 ppg 2832 pts 45%
So now Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's.....wow, you guys are killing me, anything Kobe does is the best ever...its becoming comical...I expect better from you, because I know your brighter than this...so I'm guessing you are just trying to debate/argue.....[/QUOTE]
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Yes, Jordan is more consistant, You are still not disproving the fact that 4% is only 1 shot more when scoring 19-23 FG attemps. And how is Kobe's post game weaker than Jordans? what is Kobe missing that Jordan had in the post?
And now your pulling the "theyr'e stupid they're so hillarious, comical" card. Just show me how Kobe post game does not compare to Jordan's and you can shut me up . Don't bail out by insulting us, as if it's going to make your case stronger.
Here are Kobe's Playoff Numbers Without Shaq. (Since 05-06 onwards).
79 Games
29.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.4 apg 1.5 spg 0.7 bpg 3.3 tov
47%FG/35%3p/84%FT
[QUOTE=laronprofit9]Here are Kobe's Playoff Numbers Without Shaq. (Since 05-06 onwards).
79 Games
29.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.4 apg 1.5 spg 0.7 bpg 3.3 tov
47%FG/35%3p/84%FT[/QUOTE]
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
[QUOTE=laronprofit9]Here are Kobe's Playoff Numbers Without Shaq. (Since 05-06 onwards).
79 Games
29.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.4 apg 1.5 spg 0.7 bpg 3.3 tov
47%FG/35%3p/84%FT[/QUOTE]
What's his TS%?
[QUOTE=laronprofit9]Here are Kobe's Playoff Numbers Without Shaq. (Since 05-06 onwards).
79 Games
29.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.4 apg 1.5 spg 0.7 bpg 3.3 tov
47%FG/35%3p/84%FT[/QUOTE]
so i repeat, the subject was Kobe's Greatest Playoff Series...
and people continue to post statistics...why you don't put the stats in the last 3 finals please? he performed very well against nuggets, jazz or suns but those teams are not known for their defense or incredible level of play. pick the best teams he faced...oh he reached the 50% only 1 time on his last 18 finals game. oops!
it's easy to use the stats shit as you want. but when you watch games, you see that he had nothing of an all-time great level of play in the finals.
[QUOTE=G-Funk]What's he's TS%?[/QUOTE]
57 TS%
Formula:
2358/ (2*(1779 + 0.44 * 659))
51 eFG%
79 Games
29.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.4 apg 1.5 spg 0.7 bpg 3.3 tov
47%FG/35%3p/84%FT/57%TS/51%eFG
[QUOTE=necya]so i repeat, the subject was Kobe's Greatest Playoff Series...
and people continue to post statistics...why you don't put the stats in the last 3 finals please? he performed very well against nuggets, jazz or suns but those teams are not known for their defense or incredible level of play. pick the best teams he faced...oh he reached the 50% only 1 time on his last 18 finals game. oops!
it's easy to use the stats shit as you want. but when you watch games, you see that he had nothing of an all-time great level of play in the finals.[/QUOTE]
Why is this guy trolling? You can't even type in proper english and your posts are mostly just incoherent babbling about how kobe sucks. Did you not read the statline? Inferior competition is your argument now? :oldlol: God, so many retards, so little time.
[QUOTE=necya]so i repeat, the subject was Kobe's Greatest Playoff Series...
and people continue to post statistics...why you don't put the stats in the last 3 finals please? he performed very well against nuggets, jazz or suns but those teams are not known for their defense or incredible level of play. pick the best teams he faced...oh he reached the 50% only 1 time on his last 18 finals game. oops!
it's easy to use the stats shit as you want. but when you watch games, you see that he had nothing of an all-time great level of play in the finals.[/QUOTE]
DAmn you are on a mission?
BTW, What team do you root for? seems like youre more conserened with Kobe's Finals performances than with your own team tryin to even get to a Finals game.
I thought we were talking about kobe's best playoff performances............................wtf happened here :facepalm
[QUOTE=necya]so i repeat, the subject was Kobe's Greatest Playoff Series...
and people continue to post statistics...why you don't put the stats in the last 3 finals please? he performed very well against nuggets, jazz or suns but those teams are not known for their defense or incredible level of play. pick the best teams he faced...oh he reached the 50% only 1 time on his last 18 finals game. oops!
it's easy to use the stats shit as you want. but when you watch games, you see that he had nothing of an all-time great level of play in the finals.[/QUOTE]
:roll: You're a ****ing moron.
:facepalm wtf
[QUOTE=Ne 1]Jordan is the most hyped, overrated player in North American sports history.
The whole image of Jordan is a media fabrication and the GOAT talk is non-sense.[/QUOTE]
Yup. He totally is the media's biggest hype job ever. 6 rings in 6 finals. Would have been 8 rings in a row if he did not gamble so much. Totally did not live up to the hype.
YOU got it wrong. KOBE is the biggest media hype/fraud. The media needed a Michael Jordan. They shoved Kobe down our throats, but only the morons fell for it. Kobe is not even the best player of his era.
[QUOTE=Big#50]Yup. He totally is the media's biggest hype job ever. Would have been 8 rings in a row if he did not gamble so much. .[/QUOTE]
You just proved his point
[QUOTE=tpols]Why is this guy trolling? You can't even type in proper english and your posts are mostly just incoherent babbling about how kobe sucks. Did you not read the statline? Inferior competition is your argument now? :oldlol: God, so many retards, so little time.[/QUOTE]
the 19yo teen...
hey how are you since the last time you have been demolished?
the thing who is cool with you, is that the shame don't bother you at all...
come on, is there a scorer who has his worst night against the jazz or the nuggets?
and i have already put my opinion about his best series. and the best where in 2001-02 cause he faced a really good spurs team. do you remember? oh, you were like 10 years old...
Jordan's fans are not trolling all day to repeat that he ripped the sixers in 90 with 39, 45, 49, 45 and 37pts...you see?
and please don't quote me anymore cause i don't think we talk about the same basketball kid.
[QUOTE]Yup. He totally is the media's biggest hype job ever.
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He is. The media overrated him beyond belief.
[QUOTE]6 rings in 6 finals.[/QUOTE]
6 rings is far from the record and what's your point about ''in 6 Finals'' losing in the playoffs or not making the playoffs is better than making it to the Finals and losing? This is the same crap Spurs fans use when you compare him to Shaq. ''Well Shaq lost in 2 Finals, Duncan is 4-0''. :oldlol:
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Would have been 8 rings in a row if he did not gamble so much.[/QUOTE]
Could of, should of, would of. I don't buy into hypothetical non-sense.
Jordan wouldn't have 8 rings in a row because he came back in '95 but choked in the playoffs against Orlando. Even with Jordan back they lost in 1995 so the 8 rings in a row theory is invalid.
YOU got it wrong. JORDAN is the biggest media hype/fraud. They shoved Jordan down our throats, but only the morons fell for it.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]The quality of the opposition's defense should be taken into account here. So I'll go with the '[B]01 WCF vs. SA.[/B] That's excellent efficiency against a VERY good defensive team and from what I recall, majority of the games came down to the wire and Kobe came up big every time. I also don't remember his cast doing a whole lot in that series.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=necya]
I hate Kobe, he sucks, I despise him!
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If you love Jordan so much go start a thread about him.
[QUOTE=necya]the 19yo teen...
hey how are you since the last time you have been demolished?
the thing who is cool with you, is that the shame don't bother you at all...
come on, is there a scorer who has his worst night against the jazz or the nuggets?
and i have already put my opinion about his best series. and the best where in 2001-02 cause he faced a really good spurs team. do you remember? oh, you were like 10 years old...
Jordan's fans are not trolling all day to repeat that he ripped the sixers in 90 with 39, 45, 49, 45 and 37pts...you see?
and please don't quote me anymore cause i don't think we talk about the same basketball kid.[/QUOTE]
What the hell is this guy talking about?
Can anyone decipher his gibberish?
[QUOTE=necya]the 19yo teen...
hey how are you since the last time you have been demolished?
the thing who is cool with you, is that the shame don't bother you at all...
come on, is there a scorer who has his worst night against the jazz or the nuggets?
and i have already put my opinion about his best series. and the best where in 2001-02 cause he faced a really good spurs team. do you remember? oh, you were like 10 years old...
Jordan's fans are not trolling all day to repeat that he ripped the sixers in 90 with 39, 45, 49, 45 and 37pts...you see?
and please don't quote me anymore cause i don't think we talk about the same basketball kid.[/QUOTE]
'is that the shame dont bother at all; i dont think we talk about same basketball' :blah :blah Godamn man YOU ARE RETARDED!:oldlol: No amount of trolling will ever make you smart. Nuff said.
[QUOTE=G-Funk]DAmn you are on a mission?
BTW, What team do you root for? seems like youre more conserened with Kobe's Finals performances than with your own team tryin to even get to a Finals game.[/QUOTE]
nope, i'm just answering to those kid who just post stats. kobe stans don't know what they are talking about, swallowing espn shit...
and i root for any teams. i follow nba cause it's kind of part of my job and my first passion. i just keep an eye on some players who are imo, very interested.
[QUOTE=G-Funk]If you love Jordan so much go start a thread about him.[/QUOTE]
wow quoting me with things i have never told...
just a question...why are you so immature?
[QUOTE=necya]wow quoting me with things i have never told...
just a question...why are you so immature?[/QUOTE]
just a question.....were are you from?
[QUOTE=Ne 1]He is. The media overrated him beyond belief.
6 rings is far from the record and what's your point about ''in 6 Finals'' losing in the playoffs or not making the playoffs is better than making it to the Finals and losing? This is the same crap Spurs fans use when you compare him to Shaq. ''Well Shaq lost in 2 Finals, Duncan is 4-0''. :oldlol:
Could of, should of, would of. I don't buy into hypothetical non-sense.
Jordan wouldn't have 8 rings in a row because he came back in '95 but choked in the playoffs against Orlando. Even with Jordan back they lost in 1995 so the 8 rings in a row theory is invalid.
YOU got it wrong. JORDAN is the biggest media hype/fraud. They shoved Jordan down our throats, but only the morons fell for it.[/QUOTE]
In 95 Jordan only played like 15 reg season games. LOL reaching badly. That season does not count in my book.
Way to ruin a good thread stans :applause:
[QUOTE=Big#50]In 95 Jordan only played like 15 reg season games. LOL reaching badly. That season does not count in my book.[/QUOTE]
Of course when Jordan loses it dosen't count. :rolleyes:
Lets just erase 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1995, 2001 and 2002 from the history books because its convenient from Jordan.
Jordan still played great against the Knicks (remember the double nickle at Madison Square) and great in the first round vs the Hornets but because he choked against Orlando it dosen't count? :lol
So if the Bulls would have went on to win the championship that year it wouldn't have counted? :oldlol: Of course then it would change for you.
God Jordan has some idiotic fans.
[QUOTE=Ne 1]Of course when Jordan loses it dosen't count. :rolleyes:
Lets just erase 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1995, 2001 and 2002 from the history books because its convenient from Jordan.
Jordan still played great against the Knicks (remember the double nickle at Madison Square) and great in the first round vs the Hornets but because:wtf: he choked against Orlando it dosen't count? :lol
So if the Bulls would have went on to win the championship that year it wouldn't have counted? :oldlol: Of course then it would change for you.
God Jordan has some idiotic fans.[/QUOTE]
Jordan dropping 55 and playing good in the first round actually only adds to his greatness. After being out of action for about 20 months and he does that. It is ****ing amazing. Still doesn't mean he was 100%. BTW Jordan is not even in my top five favorite players ever. I do have eyes , though.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]lol @ people thinking Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's.[/QUOTE]
Loki ... don't act like Kobe's post game isn't near the quality of Jordans.
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Loki ... don't act like Kobe's post game isn't near the quality of Jordans.[/QUOTE]
You expect him to admit to Kobe being close to Jordan in anything? Seriously? :roll:
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Loki ... don't act like Kobe's post game isn't near the quality of Jordans.[/QUOTE]
It isn't.
[QUOTE=Big#50]It isn't.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is ... clearly. I wouldn't take it over Jordan's, but its right up there with his.
Jordans best series shits on Kobe's best by a landslide.
[QUOTE=asdf1990]Jordans best series shits on Kobe's best by a landslide.[/QUOTE]:facepalm once again that absolutely crap to do with what OP was asking
[QUOTE=Big#50]Jordan dropping 55 and playing good in the first round actually only adds to his greatness. After being out of action for about 20 months and he does that. It is ****ing amazing. Still doesn't mean he was 100%. BTW Jordan is not even in my top five favorite players ever. I do have eyes , though.[/QUOTE]
Typical Jordan Jocker excuse.
Jordan wasn't in shape, and had just come back from retirement. Does this guy ever have a bad play happen against him without some sort of cop-out by the Jordan Jockers? MJ just had an off series, just admit it. He played good in game 2, 3, and 5. Played sub-par in game 4...and played bad in game 1 and didn't play to well in the decisive game 6.
He lost against Orlando in '95 so the ''he would have won 8 rings'' argument is stupid. It had nothing to do with Jordan being ''out of shape''. More to do with having an off series and the loss of Horace Grant. They added Rodman the next year to make up for the loss of Grant and Rodman's rebounding/defense put them over the top and they won a championship. But let me guess the reason they won was because Jordan spent the '95 off season on the treadmill and eating his Wheaties and was in better shape.