Discuss how/why the Celtics just beat the Lakers in 2010 NBA Finals game 5

[QUOTE=amfirst]It's ok, I believe Lakers could have won both games if they were playing at home. It's hard to win in the fourth when the refs calls everything against u. We still got this when we get home.[/QUOTE]

Now that's funny. Are you referring to the bogus 3-point foul call on Allen or a jump-ball stolen by Fisher in violation of the rules where he tipped it on the way up as clearly seen on [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-bZf6nb5Mw"]this video?[/URL]

Bynum.

That's it.

Forget the nonsense about team chemistry, Kobe shooting too much, Gasol pouting because Kobe shoots too much, etc etc etc.

When Bynum is able to play at his normal level, the Lakers are better than Boston.

When he's not, they're not.

Gasol plays better at both ends with Bynum on the floor. He doesn't have to get bodied as much; as the series has progressed, he's looked more and more worn down. When doubled, he can throw a pass right to the front of the rim. Gasol gets more spin and drop-step attempts because the double can't leave Bynum as quickly.

Everyone's job is easier with a big, mobile 7 footer. Right now, the kid shouldn't be on the court but he's gutting it out. But no defensive rebounds is a telling stat. That's a guy with no lift and, more important, one whose knee won't withstand the pressure of attempting to block out.

Unless he heals miraculously, LA is in trouble. Home court might even it out enough for them to get by...bench/role players are historically much bigger contributors at home...but it's going to be awfully tough.

[QUOTE=JMT]Bynum.

That's it.

Forget the nonsense about team chemistry, Kobe shooting too much, Gasol pouting because Kobe shoots too much, etc etc etc.

When Bynum is able to play at his normal level, the Lakers are better than Boston.

When he's not, they're not.

Gasol plays better at both ends with Bynum on the floor. He doesn't have to get bodied as much; as the series has progressed, he's looked more and more worn down. When doubled, he can throw a pass right to the front of the rim. Gasol gets more spin and drop-step attempts because the double can't leave Bynum as quickly.

Everyone's job is easier with a big, mobile 7 footer. Right now, the kid shouldn't be on the court but he's gutting it out. But no defensive rebounds is a telling stat. That's a guy with no lift and, more important, one whose knee won't withstand the pressure of attempting to block out.

Unless he heals miraculously, LA is in trouble. Home court might even it out enough for them to get by...bench/role players are historically much bigger contributors at home...but it's going to be awfully tough.[/QUOTE]

:applause: agREED

[QUOTE=Harison]I think Lakers doesnt do that because of two reasons - it would tire Kobe more, and also they [I]prefer [/I]Rondo taking jumpshots.[/QUOTE]

I agree that if you're LA, you can live with Rondo hitting the 18-20 foot jumper, but you can't live with Rondo having that much room to literally pick your defense apart should he decide to pass...he literally has all day to let the C's run the offense and shred shit up when Kobe isn't pressuring the ball like he isn't doing right now.

Right now Kobe's just playing with his feet planted on defense and trying to help defend on other guys, and its not working.

[QUOTE=Derka]
Right now Kobe's just playing with his feet planted on defense and trying to help defend on other guys, and its not working.[/QUOTE]
And when it seems to be working, i.e., Rondo can't make a shot, Doc is just going w/ Robinson who doesn't seem to hesitate with making shot and, surprisingly, the right pass.

[QUOTE=boozehound]:violin:

YOu falkin frontrunning fans are straight pathetic. what a bunch of no balls crybabies you are. What were you saying about pau after game 1.


Learn to roll with some punches[/QUOTE]


Are you an idiot or what? Do you like supporting guys who are soft and choke when you need them the most? If supporting guys with NO BALLS to play the game through their loses makes you feel manly, that is your problem.

And check any post from me regarding Gasol, I've been bashing his softness since regular season. After game 1 I did not elevate him an inch.

Pathetic...straight your sh1t up before posting.

The series obviously has a long way to go, but the games so far have definitely answered the question of how the '08 Celtics would fare against the "new and improved" Lakers.

Given that the '08 team was clearly superior to this year's, it would have been the same massacre all over again.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]The series obviously has a long way to go, but the games so far have definitely answered the question of how the '08 Celtics would fare against the "new and improved" Lakers.

[B]Given that the '08 team was clearly superior to this year's,[/B] it would have been the same massacre all over again.[/QUOTE]

Because Rondo hasn't easily been the best or 2nd best player in all the games Celts won?

[QUOTE=hwliuLAP]Because Rondo hasn't easily been the best or 2nd best player in all the games Celts won?[/QUOTE]
He has been... so what of it? And what exactly does that fact have to do with my earlier comment?

The '08 team was better than this year's team. That isn't even debatable.

Won't be an easy task for LA, thats for sure. They need to make their shots, stay aggressive defensively, and not be out rebounded by Bostons front line.

Pretty much defend your home turf.

The Lakers need more ball movement. The best way to attack the Celtics defense is by moving the ball before their rotations get there. The ball can move much faster than any player can on his feet. Because the Lakers are not moving the ball around, they are playing into exactly what the Celtics want from them.

the lakers lost cause they don't play defense. Kobe gives Rondo all the room he wants. Fisher, gasol and kobe were literally standing around watching at some points in g4 and 5. after every pick they do very poor switches. It seems like when they lose their guy they go "oh well, that's it then, my job's done"
Whatever's going wrong for them offensively, kobe can make up for it singlehandedly, even if it's on 40% shooting. They just can't let the celts (with Ray being mia btw) score over 50%

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]He has been... so what of it? And what exactly does that fact have to do with my earlier comment?

The '08 team was better than this year's team. That isn't even debatable.[/QUOTE]

In fact, it actually supports your previous statement. He's just too stupid to understand it and that's what typically is to be expected of a Lakers fan.

The fact that Rondo may be the best player on the team speaks more to the difference between the 2008 Celtics and the 2010 Celtics than it does the 2008 Rondo and the 2010 Rondo.

The Lakers lost because of: lack of hustle. Lack of offense, minus Kobe. Lack of defensive intensity. Lack of desire. Lack of heart, minus Kobe. The Lakers just did not have the heart and soul to win that game. Man, if Kobe could clone himself, the Lakers would have won this series: 4-1.

Come on, Lakers!! Feed off Kobe. Get your heart back!!!!

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]The Lakers need more ball movement. The best way to attack the Celtics defense is by moving the ball before their rotations get there. The ball can move much faster than any player can on his feet. Because the Lakers are not moving the ball around, they are playing into exactly what the Celtics want from them.[/QUOTE]

This. Games 1 and 2 saw much more crisp ball movement with LA winning big in 1 and ahead in 2 in the 4th before folding. I expect: the offense to be less kobe-centric in game 6, better bench play, the celtics to keep it close until the 4th, LA with a spirited effort down the stretch to force game 7.