International teams play a better brand of basketball than USA

[QUOTE=TROLL_HUNTER]My god, the level of iliteracy , political-correctness and stupidity in this forum is off the charts. How can you possibly deny the genetical difference between races??? COME ON GUYS! are you dumb or what?? so basically white american players dont like basketball and thats why they are mostly black , right? so basically blacks dont like swimming and thats why ALL the swimmers are white, right ? so blacks dont like ciclying and thats why all the cyclists are white.... GENS is the difference-maker. each race has different characteristics and the strength , size and athleticism is something natural in blacks. Arguing this is beyond stupid. its like saying the earth is squared.


what is just funny is that when it comes to discuss obvious and blatant facts related to races and genders some people freak out and dont even think about whats been discussed. the point of Zenmaster is more than appropriate and the idea has been clearly laid out. so based on this, "gens equality" that some of you preach, asians and norther europeans are the same height and strength, right? ofcourse, there are always exceptions (like Yao) but the general rule is objectively undeniable[/QUOTE]

Hey you stupid a-hole if you are arguing that RACIST comments being made by Zen and Go Getter here are acceptable, like "blacks are genetically superior athletes to whites" and you are claiming this is just a fact...........

how would you like it if someone started a thread here titled........


International Teams are Smarter than Team USA Because Whites Are Smarter Than Blacks".........

EVERY study that has EVER been done shows that whites have a higher IQ than blacks do. So Mr. genius, would such a topic be allowed here? Would it be accepted here? Would the mods openly accept it here?

Why don't you grow the hell up.

[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]This is pretty much a myth and yet you keep stating it over and over. Nice job.[/QUOTE]

How so? The international teams have a much greater continuity of rosters for most countries than the US. How many teams have almost universal turnover from olympics to WC like the US did? We threw together a team. It's not an excuse, you lose and you lose. But tell me how many other teams were thrown together for this like ours was?

and i didnt repeat shit OVER AND OVER, thats you. I posted on this maybe twice total. I could give a flying shit about the WC, i guarantee im not posting anything over and over about it.

[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]Your racism is a bit much.....even for this forum.[/QUOTE]

You don't know what racism is.

[QUOTE=niko]I guess the players you look up to in the euroleauge count as non serious basketball fans.[/QUOTE]

LMFAO.............

How many times has it been proven in this forum that the NBA is hardly even shown on TV in Europe. It's hard as hell to see it even if you wanted to. Wake the hell up. You criticized the guys in here that are racist (and I applaud you for that)....yet you yourself are such a huge xenophobe and that is not much better.

What is even worse is that you accuse and label others as xenophobes, when they are not. IMHO, your way of thinking is even more dangerous than the racist way of thinking.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster]lol what? "Every kid gets told", how do you even come up with this stuff...?[/QUOTE]

I will just take it for a fact that your IQ is around 80 and leave it at that.

[QUOTE=niko]How so? The international teams have a much greater continuity of rosters for most countries than the US. How many teams have almost universal turnover from olympics to WC like the US did? We threw together a team. It's not an excuse, you lose and you lose. But tell me how many other teams were thrown together for this like ours was?

and i didnt repeat shit OVER AND OVER, thats you. I posted on this maybe twice total. I could give a flying shit about the WC, i guarantee im not posting anything over and over about it.[/QUOTE]

Look, if you refuse to even make the attempt to find out facts then what is the point in discussing with you?

[QUOTE=ZenMaster]You don't know what racism is.[/QUOTE]

I know that you are an idiot.

[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]LMFAO.............

How many times has it been proven in this forum that the NBA is hardly even shown on TV in Europe. It's hard as hell to see it even if you wanted to. Wake the hell up. You criticized the guys in here that are racist (and I applaud you for that)....yet you yourself are such a huge xenophobe and that is not much better.

What is even worse is that you accuse and label others as xenophobes, when they are not. IMHO, your way of thinking is even more dangerous than the racist way of thinking.[/QUOTE]

Dude, go **** yourself. Liking or not liking european basketball is not the litmus test for racism. And again, you are generalizing against me like i post 7,000 things against you. I do not. That is not me. Do not get so pissy with me because you lose track of who you are arguing against.

I've seen many interviews with players from europe when asked about the nba, who praise it to high heaven. THAT was my point.

And again, don't call me racist - you don't know me dude. I'm somewhat dark skinned (i', puerto rican), and my child is mixed spanish/asian. I grew up all around black and spanish people almost 100% (in sunset park) and i spent pretty much all my college years traveling hear and there. and for some reason, when people disrespect my sports team (or country) i've NEVER ever even thought "racist!" as a retort. But perhaps i'm not a ****ing retard like you.

You know, i've always been polite with you pretty much, i actually try to listen to what you say, and yet you always call me a name because you are arguing with other people. SO i'm done with you - you are a dumb ****ing retarded e-tough who claims racism anytime you'd need to spend more than ten seconds crafting an argument.

And seriously a big **** YOU to the board and the mods who let you call people racist over and over and never do anything. I'm sorry, that's not right.

[QUOTE=niko]Dude, go **** yourself. Liking or not liking european basketball is not the litmus test for racism. And again, you are generalizing against me like i post 7,000 things against you. I do not. That is not me. Do not get so pissy with me because you lose track of who you are arguing against.

I've seen many interviews with players from europe when asked about the nba, who praise it to high heaven. THAT was my point.

And again, don't call me racist - you don't know me dude. I'm somewhat dark skinned (i', puerto rican), and my child is mixed spanish/asian. I grew up all around black and spanish people almost 100% (in sunset park) and i spent pretty much all my college years traveling hear and there. and for some reason, when people disrespect my sports team (or country) i've NEVER ever even thought "racist!" as a retort. But perhaps i'm not a ****ing retard like you.

You know, i've always been polite with you pretty much, i actually try to listen to what you say, and yet you always call me a name because you are arguing with other people. SO i'm done with you - you are a dumb ****ing retarded e-tough who claims racism anytime you'd need to spend more than ten seconds crafting an argument.

And seriously a big **** YOU to the board and the mods who let you call people racist over and over and never do anything. I'm sorry, that's not right.[/QUOTE]

If you cannot separate NBA marketing from reality, then I have no need to argue this with you. Maybe you are just too stupid to form any thoughts of your own.

[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]I know that you are an idiot.[/QUOTE]

Bla bla bla

[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]If you cannot separate NBA marketing from reality, then I have no need to argue this with you. Maybe you are just too stupid to form any thoughts of your own.[/QUOTE]

What exactly did you respond to? i told you to **** off. IS that a new nba marketing campaign?

NBA, **** OFF!!!

[QUOTE=ZenMaster]Bla bla bla[/QUOTE]

Whites are smarter than blacks................

Please open up that thread. Should be perfectly acceptable here, based on your logic......

blacks are genetically superior to whites........

"hey it's just a fact, I'm no racist"


Yep, "whites are smarter than blacks"

Just a fact, no racism here.........

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[QUOTE=niko]What exactly did you respond to? i told you to **** off. IS that a new nba marketing campaign?

NBA, **** OFF!!![/QUOTE]

You stated two straight posts that were lies, that were wrong, that were filled with errors, and that were pure 100% NBA marketing gimmicks. If you want me to take you seriously, learn how to separate a marketing gimmick, from an actual fact.

[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]You stated two straight posts that were lies, that were wrong, that were filled with errors, and that were pure 100% NBA marketing gimmicks. If you want me to take you seriously, learn how to separate a marketing gimmick, from an actual fact.[/QUOTE]

Dude, you called me racist. i'm not racist. call me an idiot who knows nothing about nothing, and we can argue basketball. YOU CALLED ME RACIST. WTF is wrong with you. You really have mental issues.

[QUOTE=joe]If the Americans didn't have an athletic advantage over these squads, they'd be getting blown out of the building.

The game against Lithuania sparked these thoughts in me, but make no mistake about it.. I've felt this way for a while. I should also mention that I'm a Yank myself (born and raised in upstate New York). It's been over the course of several international competitions that I've come to this conclusion (which isn't hard to see)..

While the USA players are better individually (and they are), they seem to be entirely lacking in the fundamental concept of moving the ball. Of finding the open man.

Other countries are constantly looking to pass. The ball finds its way to cutters and open shooters. In contrast, the Americans over dribble for one-on-one moves that lead to contested jumpers.

I found myself rooting for Lithuania because the Americans are maddening to watch. To see the Lithuanian's make brilliant, crisp passes and smart decisions with the ball, immediately followed by a Gay/Durant/Rose/etc taking 10 dribbles then pulling up for 3... I mean, rooting for the other side was something I couldn't help but do.

Anyone else feeling the same?[/QUOTE]

Why do you keep watching the NBA?
Why are you in the NBA section of this forum :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=niko]Dude, you called me racist. i'm not racist. call me an idiot who knows nothing about nothing, and we can argue basketball. YOU CALLED ME RACIST. WTF is wrong with you. You really have mental issues.[/QUOTE]

No I did not. I said you are a xenophobe. And you are a xenophobe.

[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]No I did not. I said you are a xenophobe. And you are a xenophobe.[/QUOTE]

:blah :blah xenophone:blah :blah racist thinking:blah :blah rubio sucks:blah :blah

i hope once you hit puberty you become slightly less retarded. And not because you are european, that has nothing to do with it. its 100% only due to the fact that you have some sort of faulty genes in your family.

[QUOTE]As a race, blacks have more muscle mass, especially in the lower back, glutes and thighs. But there is more to that explanation also. There are two types of muscle fiber "slow twitch" and "fast twitch". Slow twitch fibers are slower but are better for endurance activities. Fast Twitch fibers activate quickly and are good for jumping and sprinting, but are not good for endurance activities. The average person has a 50/50 mix of fast and slow twitch muscle fibers in their body, but of course this ratio will vary from individual to individual, depending on genetics, and the effects of long term training.
Blacks of West African descent have predominantly fast twitch fibers in their body. The body composition of fast twitch fibers in this group is as much as 90% to even 100% fast twitch fibers. Ergo, this is why so many blacks are great jumpers and sprinters.
But what about the Kenyan and Ethiopian long distance runners you may ask? These blacks have a good deal of muscle mass as well, and long legs. But these blacks are of East African descent and do not have the predominantly fast twitch fibers in their body as the blacks of West African descent. And because of their lifestyle growing up in East Africa (long distance running, high grain and cereal diet) have developed slow twitch endurance fibers as a long term result of their lifestyle and training. [/QUOTE]

[url]http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_are_black_people_naturally_athletic[/url]


Someone here should write answers.com and tell them that they're racist.

[QUOTE]I am convinced they are superior athletically for one reason...

Because in the history of man, no white individual has ever broken the 10 second barrier in running the 100 meter sprint, and at least 30 blacks have.

Why is this important at all?

Because, simply put, it's the only empirical evidence of any merit that there is any difference whatsoever in races. In every other field, regardless of whether whites or blacks dominate, the roots of the difference in the races can be linked back to cultural and sociological reasons. Again, the likelihood is that blacks don't make up a significant portion of the MMA winners because young black men are more likely to pick up football than wrestling, for example. Most MMA fighters who are great are experts in different martial arts styles and have been engaged, in some form or another, in MMA - related activities (karate, jiu - jitsu, wrestling, etc) since before legal adulthood. Fedor has been grappling since he was 10. Huges wrestled before adulthood. And on and on. Of course whites are more prevalent in these sports - blacks don't even play them.

Ok, so having said that, no one can deny that we've all been running since we've been 6 or 7 or so. Also, no one can deny that many, many young white men AND young black men take up sprinting in some form or another - whether track in field, soccer, basketball, etc.

For all intents and purposes, there is NO OTHER REASON for no white male to have ever break this record except for that blacks are simply (slightly) genetically superior.

None.

There have been many, many thousands of individuals who have, as amateur and/or professional sprinters gone against this record and come up short - both white and black - in the last 100 years.

Unlike in MMA and powerlifting for black males, clearly, thousands of white males ALL OVER THE WORLD every year pick up sprinting through track and field, and many thousands more indirectly through basketball, football, soccer, etc.

MANY thousands have devoted hundreds of hours and more to training and preparing to run the 100m dash as quickly as possible. And yet none have ever broken the 10 second barrier. Not one.
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Last one is a bit old, I know a French guy got just under 10s a while ago, but still.

[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]Whites are smarter than blacks................

Please open up that thread. Should be perfectly acceptable here, based on your logic......

blacks are genetically superior to whites........

"hey it's just a fact, I'm no racist"


Yep, "whites are smarter than blacks"

Just a fact, no racism here.........[/QUOTE]

No you're wrong, saying blacks have more athletic genes is like saying "Chinese people are shorter than whites".. Would you also consider that racist?

[QUOTE=chopchop20]Why do you keep watching the NBA?
Why are you in the NBA section of this forum :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

I love the NBA because basketball is my favorite sport and I like to watch the best players. And not every team plays in this Americanized, individual way.

My favorite team is the Suns. Go figure.

I do like to watch the best superstars as well. I love to watch Lebron, Wade, Kobe and the like play.

I just wish overall the players played with more teamwork and passing in mind.

Int'l basketball is ugly to watch at times. The 2004 Olympic finals was ATROCIOUS to watch. And her's a stat for the 2008 Olympics:

Total Assists. [B]USA- 150[/B]( 8 games played) [B]Spain- 111[/B] (8 games played)
Total turnovers: [B]USA- 110[/B] [B]Spain- 122[/B]

Please stop the US bashing!!!!

[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]In case you didn't know.........training methods in Europe are far more advanced than the ones in the NBA, including diets. Soccer clubs have invested insane money on this and they have the most advanced training and diets in pro clubs in Europe.

You can brag all you want to about the NBA and its training methods, but most NBA players break down and become useless past age 30. Or maybe that never occurred to you?[/QUOTE]

If training is so advanced in Europe then why are American basketball players clearly better conditioned than Europeans?

Besides Wade leading his team in the finals when has a under 30 guy been the man on a finals team?

Kobe, PP, Ray Allen, KG, Artest, worthless?

Stop your lies.

Why is ZenMaster not banned yet?

[QUOTE=TheLogo]Why is ZenMaster not banned yet?[/QUOTE]

This forum seems to like racism.

No, they don't. The better brand of basketball is the winning brand of basketball, and last time I checked that's what we do. This is the typical American thinking, never satisfied so even when we win people ahve to find a way to complain and bash our own people.

[QUOTE=DStebb716]No, they don't. The better brand of basketball is the winning brand of basketball, and last time I checked that's what we do. This is the typical American thinking, never satisfied so even when we win people ahve to find a way to complain and bash our own people.[/QUOTE]
:cheers:

Some of this stuff is idiotic, if you think nba players dont have fundamentals like the rest of the world, let me show you.

Rose Rondo Billups: Best ballhandlers in the world, quick strong dribblers with tons of moves

Curry, Eric Gordon, Kevin Durant, Billups: Some of the best shooters in this tournament, if not the best

Billups: Not much athletiscm, just strong, a better version of any euro point guard

Kevin Love, Odom: Great position rebounders

Rose, Rondo, Westbrook: Best defense in tournament by far

I'll highlight more NBA players:

Kobe: Most fundamental player in the game

D-Wade: Showed in olympics, best bank shot in the world

Carmelo: Best Shot

CP3, Deron Williams, Jason Kidd: Best passers/ ball handlers

Ray Allen: Best shot in world

We're athletic, but it doesnt end there, were also very skilled in some ways

[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]This forum seems to like racism.[/QUOTE]
no, its because morons like you cry racism, so they think its two morons arguing so they do nothing.

[QUOTE=dwadefan11]Some of this stuff is idiotic, if you think nba players dont have fundamentals like the rest of the world, let me show you.

Rose Rondo Billups: Best ballhandlers in the world, quick strong dribblers with tons of moves

Curry, Eric Gordon, Kevin Durant, Billups: Some of the best shooters in this tournament, if not the best

Billups: Not much athletiscm, just strong, a better version of any euro point guard

Kevin Love, Odom: Great position rebounders

Rose, Rondo, Westbrook: Best defense in tournament by far

I'll highlight more NBA players:

Kobe: Most fundamental player in the game

D-Wade: Showed in olympics, best bank shot in the world

Carmelo: Best Shot

CP3, Deron Williams, Jason Kidd: Best passers/ ball handlers

Ray Allen: Best shot in world

We're athletic, but it doesnt end there, were also very skilled in some ways[/QUOTE]

Not much of international basketball fan, do you?

[QUOTE=TheLogo]Why is ZenMaster not banned yet?[/QUOTE]

What is even worse then racism are the people, like yourself, who seem to like to try and point out racism at any given opportunity, even when there clearly is none.

It is basic, proven science, that Zen is talking about here, not racism. Having a genetic predisposition towards a high percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers does give blacks an advantage in certain sports. Of course, they have to work just as hard as anyone else to keep that advantage on a professional level.

You people crying racism are just pathetic.

[QUOTE=DStebb716]No, they don't. The better brand of basketball is the winning brand of basketball, and last time I checked that's what we do. This is the typical American thinking, never satisfied so even when we win people ahve to find a way to complain and bash our own people.[/QUOTE]That's one way to look at it, but honestly, they play a much better brand of basketball internationally. They just don't have the athleticism we do. They're fundamentals are much, much better. That's what the OP means. And he's correct.

Call it a "bash" or what have you, but it's true. We lost our way fundamentally a long, long time ago. It's clear to see that this team relies on it's athleticism, not it's basketball fundamentals. Our defense is really good, but I attribute that very much to our athleticism. All goes back to our athleticism.

Now, I'm not saying we don't have players that are fundamentally sound. I'm not saying that at all. But your average international team is playing a much more fundamentally sound, team game than your average NBA team. I think that's pretty clear. Your average NBA is more talented and athletic. That is the great divide. But in terms of playing the game as it's supposed to be played, the international teams are doing it better than us.

And I think it cocky to strut around here talking about "winning brand of basketball". Hey, guy. We don't have LeBron, Kobe, Wade, etc. out there. We're far from a sure thing to get this World Championship thing locked down. We've got a lot to prove. We won by one point yesterday.

[QUOTE=joe]If the Americans didn't have an athletic advantage over these squads, they'd be getting blown out of the building.
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but they do.
people need to stop complaining about the US style of play as compared to international team style, the US is conforming to different rules and still winning, get over it.

biggest weakness: every WC/ Olymcs a totally different roster
biggest strength: the USA can do this and still win

[QUOTE=L.A. Jazz]biggest weakness: every WC/ Olymcs a totally different roster
[B]biggest strength: the USA can do this and still win[/B][/QUOTE]The last time we won the World Championships was when?

You guys are making us sound really, really arrogant and ignorant. For real. When we bring our A-Team, that's when we can just overpower these international teams. But when we don't, we don't win. Plain and simple. That goes for the Olympics, too. In 2004, we did not win the gold medal. I don't know if people realize this or if they just don't want to admit it.

You can't honestly list the fact that we have a different roster for the World Championships and still win as a strength because THAT HASN'T HAPPENED. You need to check yourself and some history.

[QUOTE=HylianNightmare]but they do.
people need to stop complaining about the US style of play as compared to international team style, [B]the US is conforming to different rules and still winning[/B], get over it.[/QUOTE]Barely winning. Winning impressively. That doesn't alarm you? You honestly think we'll able to go in and win this tournament with the way we've been playing?

I read carefully all the posts, the discussion was good until the "race thing" came in.

I can't read anymore posts of the The Logo and Go Getter, it's way to hard to understand their points but they have some good points sometimes (rarely).

I'm hoping to the WC starts to see what excuses will some US fans tell if they lost (if they lost) any game.

The thing about the rules.
Why most of the world play this type of rules and US are always complaining about this?
If you don't like it, change it .. and play the rules that most of the world play. Don't try to be different or to adapt the game.

[QUOTE=joe]If the Americans didn't have an athletic advantage over these squads, they'd be getting blown out of the building.

The game against Lithuania sparked these thoughts in me, but make no mistake about it.. I've felt this way for a while. I should also mention that I'm a Yank myself (born and raised in upstate New York). It's been over the course of several international competitions that I've come to this conclusion (which isn't hard to see)..

While the USA players are better individually (and they are), they seem to be entirely lacking in the fundamental concept of moving the ball. Of finding the open man.

Other countries are constantly looking to pass. The ball finds its way to cutters and open shooters. In contrast, the Americans over dribble for one-on-one moves that lead to contested jumpers.

I found myself rooting for Lithuania because the Americans are maddening to watch. To see the Lithuanian's make brilliant, crisp passes and smart decisions with the ball, immediately followed by a Gay/Durant/Rose/etc taking 10 dribbles then pulling up for 3... I mean, rooting for the other side was something I couldn't help but do.

Anyone else feeling the same?[/QUOTE]
if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.

[QUOTE=FireMcFailPlease]if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.[/QUOTE]

If you had any common sense, you'd know that is already the case.