[QUOTE=DuMa]Rubio is a bench warmer in the NBA. Minnesota dropped the ball again.[/QUOTE]
he probably can play as a back up back up pointguard
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[QUOTE=DuMa]Rubio is a bench warmer in the NBA. Minnesota dropped the ball again.[/QUOTE]
he probably can play as a back up back up pointguard
[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]If LeBron took off a play on defense in Europe he would be benched and then the press and fans would be mad at him.[/QUOTE]
This is where you lost all credibility. LeBron could join the NFL tomorrow and he'd be first string by the end of the day. He is one of the top 5 most athletic people in the world and could dominate at almost any sport not involving water. Watching him play in the euro leagues would be the funniest thing to ever happen in sport.
i dont like Rubio at all. Hope Kahn trades his azz.
Rubio is not the next Steve Nash or Pistol Pete
[QUOTE=DuMa]Rubio is a bench warmer in the NBA. Minnesota dropped the ball again.[/QUOTE]
He can be very solid. needs a team with athletes that run the floor and can jump. Maybe the Hawks??? ( Jeff Teague may end up being very good pg though)
Ricky Rubio's style of play will not work in the NBA. He is going to get abused by other Guards. This isn't pickup basketball.
[QUOTE=JustinJDW]Ricky Rubio's style of play will not work in the NBA. He is going to get abused by other Guards. This isn't pickup basketball.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, thats why Rubio's two great games in the last 2 years were the ones against NBA opposition, because he cant play against NBA players. Good logic.
Lithuania's Mantas Kalinetis embarrassed Rubio on an out of bounds baseline play when he inbounded off of Rubio's ass and got the ball and scored the baseline layup
[QUOTE=DuMa]Lithuania's Mantas Kalinetis embarrassed Rubio on an out of bounds baseline play when he inbounded off of Rubio's ass and got the ball and scored the baseline layup[/QUOTE]
Yeah that was the highlight of the game. Rubio today played great ... for Lithuania :lol :lol
[QUOTE=derman]Yeah, thats why Rubio's two great games in the last 2 years were the ones against NBA opposition, because he cant play against NBA players. Good logic.[/QUOTE]
Define a great game to me.
Because him having 8 points and a few assists inimited mjnutes doesn't qualify in my book.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Define a great game to me.
Because him having 8 points and a few assists inimited mjnutes doesn't qualify in my book.[/QUOTE]
In the last friendly against USA, he got Spain from way down to a 1 point loss, and they had the chance to win it in the last min.
Check out the thread of the last friendly game against Usa, to see how almost all posters here were praising him for his performace.
Really lackluster performance by Rubio. If you guys remember, he started out pretty ordinary last year in Eurobasket and turned in a very good performance against all competition.
He does really need to become more of a scorer though because at times like these when Fernandez can't be counted on (can he really ever be counted on?) and Navarro gets a little anxious him being a threat to pass as well as score would make things so much easier for the team.
[QUOTE=derman]In the last friendly against USA, he got Spain from way down to a 1 point loss, and they had the chance to win it in the last min.
Check out the thread of the last friendly game against Usa, to see how almost all posters here were praising him for his performace.[/QUOTE]
I see. However I don't agree. If a US guard had the same game no one would say it was a "great game."
I think that's a little exaggeration.
But that just my opinion.
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]And he's younger than John Wall. I know it's because of the insane amount of hype, but people forget how damn young this kid STILL is.[/QUOTE]
He's not younger than John Wall.
[QUOTE=derman]In the last friendly against USA, he got Spain from way down to a 1 point loss, and they had the chance to win it in the last min.
Check out the thread of the last friendly game against Usa, to see how almost all posters here were praising him for his performace.[/QUOTE]
You can have all the great games in vs superior teams but whats the point if you cant have great games vs inferior teams?
[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]Rubio is the most overrated player of all time from Europe and maybe in the history of the world. Eventually all these idiotic NBA fans will grasp that.[/QUOTE]
reminds of of all the hype surrounding sarunas jasikevicius when he came over here. "best pg in europe" didn't do jack shit and couldn't play defense if his life depended on it.
still not sure about rubio. he's fun to watch so far.
I agree with the critics against Rubio, but damn the kid is 19 years old, and ok he still has lots of weaknesses, but he has something a few players have :
Talent. I Genius talent.
But its not enough i agree. We all know the stories of Felipe Lopez or Sebastian Telfair. But we also know the stories of Lebron or KG.
Let the kid grow, we'll see in a couple of years.
Rubio is fine he is young, he is going to have A lot of bad games. Let's not forget Kobe when he was young air balled 4 or 5 shots against the Jazz in an elimination game in the closing minutes.
Rubio at worst is a better version of Rondo. taller, longer, better on defense, better shot.
Rubio just needs to play with a bona fide superstar scorer like a Carmelo Anthony
Anyone else think Rubio is just a Rondo without the penetration and rebounding?
I think Rubio is just a great passer, facilitator and has a brilliant IQ. Can't shoot, or play defense really.
What's with all this brilliant IQ stuff?
BBIQ is a misused and stupid cliche.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]What's with all this brilliant IQ stuff?
BBIQ is a misused and stupid cliche.[/QUOTE]
To me its just being able to read the defense, knowing what to do, how to do it, and knowing how the defense will react. and I think Rubio does that....brilliantly.
I'm certainly no expert, having only paid attention to him once, but the one time I saw him a week or so ago Rubio looked great. He really took it to Derrick Rose and the other Team USA guards on both ends. If not for his play, Spain would have been blown out.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]I'm certainly no expert, having only paid attention to him once, but the one time I saw him a week or so ago Rubio looked great. He really took it to Derrick Rose and the other Team USA guards on both ends. If not for his play, Spain would have been blown out.[/QUOTE]
The thing with Rubio is that he is not a primary player, meaning he is dependent on goods players around him to show his ability.
But once crunch time comes up and requires one person to take over, Rubio can't be that person, and he can't even be a second fiddle because he's not a good scorer and shooter.
Rubio is all flash and no substance, he has no go-to offensive move at all.
3 for 4 with several turnovers and getting burned on defense by Rose when it counted and he "took it to team USA?"
[QUOTE=Go Getter]3 for 4 with several turnovers and getting burned on defense by Rose when it counted and he "took it to team USA?"[/QUOTE]
He also stripped Rose on one possession and showed a knack for passing possessed by few along with some good ballhandling ability.
Seeing this guy play is so disappointing.. He tries so hard to do those fancy passes.
Rubio is a "non-stat" player.
If you just see the stats that he made, you'll never know the player that he is.
The best sikills that he have is, make the team play and you can't count that in stats.
He's not playing well in the World Cup, it's a fact .. let's hope to see what he can do if Spain pass the group.
Ohh, and people are saying that he can assume the game? Damn, don't you guys think that the US players are better than "the others"? So , when he come to NBA he doesn't have to assume the game, just to put the ball in the US guys .. and that's what he will do.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]He also stripped Rose on one possession and showed a knack for passing possessed by few along with some good ballhandling ability.[/QUOTE]
Still, not an otherworldly game like some make it seems to be.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]He also stripped Rose on one possession and showed a knack for passing possessed by few along with some good ballhandling ability.[/QUOTE]
Stripping someone on a posession doesn't mean anything.
Remember how Dudley stripped Kobe or Ariza stripped Lebron, does that make them the better player?
[QUOTE=KG5MVP]Stripping someone on a posession doesn't mean anything.
Remember how Dudley stripped Kobe or Ariza stripped Lebron, does that make them the better player?[/QUOTE]
And let's not forget what Curry did to Rubio on Back2Back plays :oldlol:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NQ_rXPVLug[/url]
[QUOTE=Cangri]And let's not forget what Curry did to Rubio on Back2Back plays :oldlol:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NQ_rXPVLug[/url][/QUOTE]
Damn, i wish Curry could play more .. he's a good FIBA player.
Rubio's not very quick, but he's quick enough, has great instincts, and really long arms, I think he'll be a solid enough defender. Maybe not prime Jason Kidd, but he's not getting torched like Calderon or something. His passing and court vision are great, you can't measure the effect that can have on an offense. All the points he'll create off of not just his passes but second and third ones after will really make his team better. He can score enough, it's not like he'll average ten a game. He can get to the rim in crafty ways (like a quicker Billups) and he's developing a solid enough set shot. I'd love to see him in the Princeton or really any motion offense, maybe the Wolves will trade him to the Cavs or something.
[QUOTE=basketballdude]Really lackluster performance by Rubio. If you guys remember, he started out pretty ordinary last year in Eurobasket and turned in a very good performance against all competition.
He does really need to become more of a scorer though because at times like these when Fernandez can't be counted on (can he really ever be counted on?) and Navarro gets a little anxious him being a threat to pass as well as score would make things so much easier for the team.[/QUOTE]
Not true. Last year Cabezas handled the point at all important moments after the group stage. Rubio does not have Cabezas to save him this time. Spain will have to use Navarro at point guard in critical moments once the real games start.
[QUOTE=jbot]reminds of of all the hype surrounding sarunas jasikevicius when he came over here. "best pg in europe" didn't do jack shit and couldn't play defense if his life depended on it.
still not sure about rubio. he's fun to watch so far.[/QUOTE]
Just so you know Jasikevicius was leaps and bounds better than Rubio is on offense. I mean LEAPS and BOUNDS better. Rubio is a better defender though. Jasikevicius is the worst defender to play in Europe at point guard in recent memory.
[QUOTE=KG5MVP]Anyone else think Rubio is just a Rondo without the penetration and rebounding?[/QUOTE]
He's Rondo with a better set jump shot. That's what he is. I've said it all along. The Nash and Maravich comparisons are absolutely insane.
Hey Lakas, how come Childress and Kleiza both made all Euroleague teams though you claim they weren't the best on their team?
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]I'm certainly no expert, having only paid attention to him once, but the one time I saw him a week or so ago Rubio looked great. He really took it to Derrick Rose and the other Team USA guards on both ends. If not for his play, Spain would have been blown out.[/QUOTE]
I've seen almost all of Rubio's games for the past 3-4 years. That was the best game he has ever played in his life. And like I said, he does better against NBA players because they don't defend as well.
[QUOTE=Maga_1]Rubio is a "non-stat" player.
If you just see the stats that he made, you'll never know the player that he is.
The best sikills that he have is, make the team play and you can't count that in stats.
He's not playing well in the World Cup, it's a fact .. let's hope to see what he can do if Spain pass the group.
Ohh, and people are saying that he can assume the game? Damn, don't you guys think that the US players are better than "the others"? So , when he come to NBA he doesn't have to assume the game, just to put the ball in the US guys .. and that's what he will do.[/QUOTE]
I keep saying it, he will be better in the NBA than in FIBA and Euroleague. Because he will be allowed to do whatever he wants on offense and not be defended and if anyone tries it he will go to the foul line.
But the fact is that Rubio has never been a good player at the top international and European levels. In Euroleague and EuroBasket he has been barely an average player. We are seeing the same thing in the World Championship.
99% of this forum's NBA fans swear he is the "best point guard in Europe", "best player in Europe" without even ever seeing him play a game.
How many times did I tell these fools it's called NBA marketing 101 and is all BULL SHIT? Over and over and over.
They called me a liar and a troll. Now they finally see the truth.
The truth is that Rubio is an average level player in the Euroleague. I can honestly name 50 guys last season that played better than he did. But yes, in the NBA he will better, simply because he will be able run all over the floor without ever being defended. But the fact remains that all this insane hype and nonsense about him being the best point guard in Europe is literally ludicrous.
He was like the 7-9 best player on his own team last year. In the NBA he will do fine because of the difference in defense. But he's not Nash. He's not going to make players like Nash does, which is how US media hypes him.
He's more like Rondo.........he needs the right team around him. The Wolves are off to a good start with guys like Johnson, Love, Pekovic, but they need more than that for Rubio to work. If Rubio has the right team around him with the NBA rules then he will be good.
[QUOTE=plowking]Hey Lakas, how come Childress and Kleiza both made all Euroleague teams though you claim they weren't the best on their team?[/QUOTE]
Do you even know what an all Euroleague team is? Seriously? You act like it's the same thing as an all NBA team. It's NOT. How many times does this have to be explained here?
And no they were not the best players on the team. Kleiza was the best player on his team in the regular season and during the first 3 quarters of games. In the playoffs and in the 4th quarters of important games he was the worst player of his team.
Childress was not even close to being the best player on his team. Childress was nothing but an average player in the Euroleague, if even that good. When important elimination games came up he was actually usually one of the worst scrubs you would see in Europe.
I can honestly say that players making 1/10 of the income of Childress outplayed him.
[quote=New York Knicks]He's not younger than John Wall.[/quote]Ricky Rubio was born on October 21st, 1990. John Wall was born on September 6th, 1990.