ESPN article blasts "has-been" Jordan for Kobe comments

George Gervin

1979-80: 33.1 PTS (.528 FG%)
1981-82: 32.3 PTS (.500 FG%)

Adrian Dantley

1980-81: 30.7 PTS (.559 FG%)
1981-82: 30.3 PTS (.570 FG%)
1982-83: 30.7 PTS (.580 FG%)
1983-84: 30.6 PTS (.558 FG%)

Mark Aguire

1983-84: 29.5 PTS (.524 FG%)

Kiki Vandeseghe

1983-84: 29.4 PTS (.558 FG%)

Mark Aguire

1983-84: 29.5 PTS (.524 FG%)

Bernard King

1984-85: 32.9 PTS (.530 FG%)

Alex English

1985-86: 29.8 PTS (.504 FG%)
1986-87: 28.6 PTS (.503 FG%)

Larry Bird

1987-88: 29.9 PTS (.527 FG%)


... and there are tons of players who were in the 27-28 PTS range with very high FG%'s, they just weren't taking enough shots to get 30+.

lol @ MJ playing in the pathetic 80's and never even coming close to 81. :roll:

[QUOTE=tpols]How is a 30ppg season an explosion?:oldlol: We're talking about big games here buddy and kobe's elite scoring games are better. It's just a fact. And lol at your 3pt argument acting like kobe doesn't have twice as many 3 balls made than jordan. Reachin hard my man but the facts remain. Kobe had more range than jordan and was a better shooter (and had better elite scoring games~best the league has ever seen since wilt).[/QUOTE]


Let me see Kobe has more 3 pointers than MJ...wow he's made more than Bird too, because he jacks twice as many...Bird most in one season was 270+, Kobe 300+ 7 times(different era's, smarter players)....Kobe 60+ in three quarters..yeah let's leave out the 25 ft he took that game, more than Jordan in a 63 point playoff effort full game....Kobe does indeed have more range than MJ(so did Reggie Miller), that's not what is being disputed, according to you he is capable of scoring more, yet in 13 seasons with the Bulls, Jordan scored 29277(with two seasons basically missed, Kobe in 14 seasons with the Lakers 25790),hmmm why less points???....Sorry give me consistency in a physical, punishing league, over once in a lifetime outbursts, that never happen in the playoffs in a perimeter player friendly, ticky tack foul league. As great as a scorer Kobe is the dude has 2 scoring titles....that's comical...he's a volume scorer not a consistent one

[QUOTE=Willkill24]5 time champion and really he should of won in 03/04/08 so you could call him an 8 time champion and the GOAT IMO.[/QUOTE]

And Jordan should have won 8 in a row...shoulda, woulda, coulda...lmao at GOAT

[QUOTE=Calabis]Let me see Kobe has more 3 pointers than MJ...wow he's made more than Bird too, because he jacks twice as many...Bird most in one season was 270+, Kobe 300+ 7 times(different era's, smarter players)....Kobe 60+ in three quarters..yeah let's leave out the 25 ft he took that game, more than Jordan in a 63 point playoff effort full game....Kobe does indeed have more range than MJ(so did Reggie Miller), that's not what is being disputed, according to you he is capable of scoring more, yet in 13 seasons with the Bulls, Jordan scored 29277(with two seasons basically missed, Kobe in 14 seasons with the Lakers 25790),hmmm why less points???....Sorry give me consistency in a physical, punishing league, over once in a lifetime outbursts, that never happen in the playoffs in a perimeter player friendly, ticky tack foul league. As great as a scorer Kobe is the dude has 2 scoring titles....that's comical...he's a volume scorer not a consistent one[/QUOTE]
Lol kobe shoots more, makes more, and is more efficient. But that means nothing...hahahaha

And I never said kobe is a better scorer than jordan. Reading comp. fail. I said he has better elite scoring games. His peak scoring potential for a game is higher than MJ's. All I'm saying. L2read dawg.

Im sorry but are people once again having the "whos better" debate between Mike, and Kobe? Seriously?


:roll:

[QUOTE=tpols]Uh... he has two other chips and will likely have more but going with your hypothetical, jordan would be 'nique 2.0 with no rings.[/QUOTE]

UHH no Shaq, much different career, never a champion, wouldn't know what it took, possible no longer a Laker, possibly no Gasol and team he has today....if you want to exclude Shaq from his growing up in the NBA, then everything in his career changes...a ball hog no one would want to play with

[QUOTE=Calabis]Let me see Kobe has more 3 pointers than MJ...wow he's made more than Bird too, because he jacks twice as many...Bird most in one season was 270+, Kobe 300+ 7 times(different era's, smarter players)....Kobe 60+ in three quarters..yeah let's leave out the 25 ft he took that game, more than Jordan in a 63 point playoff effort full game....Kobe does indeed have more range than MJ(so did Reggie Miller), that's not what is being disputed, according to you he is capable of scoring more, yet in 13 seasons with the Bulls, Jordan scored 29277([B]with two seasons basically missed[/B], Kobe in 14 seasons with the Lakers 25790),hmmm why less points???....[/QUOTE]

Don't forget he missed most of the 86 season too.

[QUOTE=Calabis]Sorry give me consistency in a physical, punishing league, over once in a lifetime outbursts, [B]that never happen in the playoffs[/B] in a perimeter player friendly, ticky tack foul league. As great as a scorer Kobe is the dude has 2 scoring titles....that's comical...he's a volume scorer not a consistent one[/QUOTE]

Bingo

[QUOTE=oh the horror]Im sorry but are people once again having the "whos better" debate between Mike, and Kobe? Seriously?


:roll:[/QUOTE]


''Kobe is the best all around player that I have ever coached'' - Phil Jackson during the 2001 playoffs

[QUOTE=Ne 1]No surprise. Jordan was the biggest ballhog in NBA history, dude led the league in jacking up shots a recorded 9 times and averaged 24 fg attempts per game for his career! But that's not all!

He shots the ball 49 times in one game, in 15 years he shot the ball..24,567 times a record for a 15 year career!

He had seasons' of 25 FG attempt's, 28 FG attempts and 24 FG attempts per game.

Doug Collins wanted MJ to pass more and MJ had Doug fired!!!! (this was before Pippen emerged as the facilitator)[/QUOTE]

Yup he also hit 50% of those, please name another 2 guard that has done that...it sure the hell ain't Kobe, he hasn't sniffed 50%

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Don't forget he missed most of the 86 season too.



Bingo[/QUOTE]

Wow. What a moron. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Calabis].he's a volume scorer not a consistent one[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=tpols]Not pissed because I know jordan>kobe. But kobe has had better elite scoring games and that is something that eats jordan fans up. How could a guy that is [I]so inferior[/I] possibly have bigger scoring explosions? Not exactly sure, but I know that simple fact brings you guys coming back for more.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
That doesn't bother me one bit. I'm a basketball fan before I'm a player or team fan. I like seeing great performances like that. I don't rank games like that as better or worse than the others because they are all special. But when people try to compare them, you have to in to account who the competition was and the magnitude of the game.

Both players high point games are awesome but if you ask me which game I'd choose, it easy that I'd take Jordan dropping 69/18/6/4/2 on a future playoff opponent over Kobe dropping 81 on the worst team in the league. If you can't see the difference, then you're just blind. Did kobe have a great game? Yeah he did.

But in the end, Jordan did more in his highest scoring game than Kobe did in his. Jordan showed overall dominance on both ends of the floor, Kobe just scored 81 points.

[QUOTE=Calabis]UHH no Shaq, much different career, never a champion, wouldn't know what it took, possible no longer a Laker, possibly no Gasol and team he has today....if you want to exclude Shaq from his growing up in the NBA, then everything in his career changes...a ball hog no one would want to play with[/QUOTE]
You look at it in a negative way but I look at it positively. Kobe could've had many seasons of 35+ppg like he did during his peak w/o shaq and could've been better than MJ:confusedshrug:

Cavs record when Jordan scored 69 on them--32-37. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Glide2keva]That doesn't bother me one bit. I'm a basketball fan before I'm a player or team fan. I like seeing great performances like that. I don't rank games like that as better or worse than the others because they are all special. But when people try to compare them, you have to in to account who the competition was and the magnitude of the game.

Both players high point games are awesome but if you ask me which game I'd choose, it easy that I'd take Jordan dropping 69/18/6/4/2 on a future playoff opponent over Kobe dropping 81 on the worst team in the league. If you can't see the difference, then you're just blind. Did kobe have a great game? Yeah he did.

But in the end, Jordan did more in his highest scoring game than Kobe did in his. Jordan showed overall dominance on both ends of the floor, Kobe just scored 81 points.[/QUOTE]All I'm talking about is scoring. Kobe led a team where chris mihm was his next best support to a win by dropping 81 in a come from behind win. Jordan needed two OT periods to even hit 69. Sorry Kobe clearly has better scoring bursts than jordan.:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=tpols]Lol kobe shoots more, makes more, and is more efficient. But that means nothing...hahahaha

And I never said kobe is a better scorer than jordan. Reading comp. fail. I said he has better elite scoring games. His peak scoring potential for a game is higher than MJ's. All I'm saying. L2read dawg.[/QUOTE]
You're translating didn't to couldn't. Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't. As I said before Jordan didn't have to score that much. If he needed to, he most likely would've.

Kobe loves to get shots up, damn his percentage.

[QUOTE=tpols]Hey man don't step mid way into a debate and state your uninformed opinion. He was clearly responding to calabis who was saying kobe would be 'nique if he had no rings.[/QUOTE]

If Kobe had no rings it would seriously tarnish peoples opinion on him. Players have to win rings in order to cement their legacy. It the reason why Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick Ewing never get the recognistion they deserve.
Comparing Kobe to nique is a cheap shot I do admit.


P.S
Don't tell me what I can and can't do on a message board.

[QUOTE=Glide2keva]You're translating didn't to couldn't. Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't. As I said before Jordan didn't have to score that much. If he needed to, he most likely would've.

Kobe loves to get shots up, damn his percentage.[/QUOTE]
Lol do you really want to play the could have game? I'll focus on the facts here and not the opinions and speculation.

[QUOTE=Glide2keva]You're translating didn't to couldn't. Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't. As I said before Jordan didn't have to score that much. If he needed to, he most likely would've.

Kobe loves to get shots up, damn his percentage.[/QUOTE]

And yet Jordan consistently took more FGA per game over the course of their careers. :roll:

Also how many of you on here are even old enough to have seen Jordan in his prime? or even see a game of his pre wizards era?

I find it hard to take an opinion seriously on Jordan when it comes from teenagers.

[QUOTE=tpols]All I'm talking about is scoring. Kobe led a team where chris mihm was his next best support to a win by dropping 81 in a come from behind win. Jordan needed two OT periods to even hit 69. Sorry Kobe clearly has better scoring bursts than jordan.:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
This is so full of fail.

To only look at scoring shows you're not a true basketball fan. If you were them what I said would've registered.

Kobe was down 20+ to the worst team in the league. Jordan was battling a playoff caliber in a close game. Kobe didn't look to get his team involved, Jordan did everything possible to win a close game, scoring, rebounding, blocking shots, dishing assists, getting steals etc. That means more to me as a basketball fan.

[QUOTE=Ne 1]1996 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Sonics 2
GM1: 9-18 FG (50%), 9-10 FT, 28 PTS, 7 REB, 2 AST, 2 TO
GM2: 9-22 FG (40.9%), 10-16 FT, 29 PTS, 6 REB, 8 AST, 2 TO
GM3: 11-23 FG (47.8%), 11-11 FT, 36 PTS, 3 REB, 5 AST, 3 TO
GM4: 6-19 FG (31.6%), 11-13 FT, 23 PTS, 3 REB, 2 AST, 4 TO
GM5: 11-22 FG (50%), 4-5 FT, 26 PTS, 4 REB, 1 AST, 2 TO
GM6: 5-19 FG (26.3%), 11-12 FT, 22 PTS, 9 REB, 7 AST, 5 TO
AVERAGES: 51-123 FG (41.5%), 56-67 FT (83.6%), 27.3 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.2 APG, 3.00 TO, 20.5 FGA per game

1997 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Jazz 2
GM1: 13-27 FG (48.1%), 5-7 FT, 31 PTS, 4 REB, 8 AST, 0 TO
GM2: 11-20 FG (55%), 15-21 FT, 38 PTS, 13 REB, 9 AST, 5 TO
GM3: 9-22 FG (40.9%), 4-5 FT, 26 PTS, 3 REB, 6 AST, 1 TO
GM4: 11-27 FG (40.7%), 0-0 FT, 22 PTS, 4 REB, 4 AST, 3 TO
GM5: 13-27 FG (48.2%), 10-12 FT, 38 PTS, 7 REB, 5 AST, 3 TO
GM6: 15-35 FG (42.9%), 8-10 FT, 39 PTS, 11 REB, 4 AST, 1 TO
AVERAGES: 72-158 FG (45.6%), 42-55 FT (76.4%), 32.3 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 2.17 TO, 26.3 FGA per game

1998 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Jazz 2
GM1: 13-29 FG (44.8%), 6-8 FT, 33 PTS, 3 REB, 2 AST, 0 TO
GM2: 14-33 FG (42.4%), 9-10 FT, 37 PTS, 5 REB, 3 AST, 0 TO
GM3: 7-14 FG (50%), 10-11 FT, 24 PTS, 3 REB, 2 AST, 2 TO
GM4: 12-27 FG (44.4%), 10-15 FT, 34 PTS, 8 REB, 2 AST, 3 TO
GM5: 9-26 FG (34.6%), 10-11 FT, 28 PTS, 4 REB, 4 AST, 4 TO
GM6: 15-35 FG (42.9%), 12-15 FT, 45 PTS, 1 REB, 1 AST, 1 TO
AVERAGES: 70-164 FG (42.7%), 57-70 FT (81.4%), 33.5 PPG, 4 RPG, 2.3 APG, 1.67 TO, 27.3 FGA per game


[SIZE="6"]KOBE TYPE NUMBERS AT AGE 33-35, after a retirement[/SIZE]
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Just a few things:

1) The number of shots taken, compared to the amount of points scored, must not be that big of a deal when Michael Jordan shoots the ball. In 21 of the 34 games, Jordan had no more than seven points over his shot attempts that game.

2) Despite winning two season MVP's in two of the last three championships seasons (1996 and 1998), Jordan's field goal percentages were fairly low, especially for a guy taking 26-27 shots per game. [COLOR="Red"]Despite in 96 he shot 49%, something Kobe has never done and shot Kobe's best 47% in 98 despite being 35 :roll: [/COLOR]

3) Jordan attempted over 25 shots per game four years, and actually launched over 33 shots per game in 1993. He never attempted less than 20 shots per game in six Finals appearances. [COLOR="Red"]Yet he was pretty consistent throughout the playoffs, shooting 48% for his career in a time where it mattered most, 6 times he shot 50% or better[/COLOR]

4) In six of Jordan's 34 Finals games, he missed five or more free throws. In other words, on average, there was one Finals game in each season where Jordan, being a career 83.5% free throw shooter, missed five or six free throws. Yet Jordan how many game winner does MJ have in the finals? how many clutch moments??? Isn't Kobe shooting 81% in the playoffs, that less right then his career reg season and let's not forget 44 FG%[COLOR="Red"]

Also, Jordan matched or exceeded his career free throw shooting percentage just three times in six of his Finals appearances. [COLOR="Red"]All of Kobe's numbers drop or remain the same in the playoffs, Jordan 30ppg career, 33 ppg in playoffs, please try again[/COLOR]

5) Jordan's assists, over a combined 34 Finals games, comes to 5.97 APG. He averaged 2.83 turnovers per game. For every two assists, he threw an average of approximately one turnover per game.

Just some things to chew on, and to have for future references when discussing NBA Finals performances, shooting percentages, turnovers, missed free throws, etc.

With all the articles blasting Bryant and his shot attempts and Finals performances, it might be good to look back on someone who was rarely criticized for anything he ever did.[/QUOTE]

I would post Bryant's, but it would be comical compared to Jordan's playoff resume

[QUOTE=tpols]Lol do you really want to play the could have game? I'll focus on the facts here and not the opinions and speculation.[/QUOTE]
Didn't say focus on that, just pointing out a flaw in your argument.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

Glad your laughing, because it's obvious you cannot differ from the two

[QUOTE=Glide2keva]This is so full of fail.

To only look at scoring shows you're not a true basketball fan. If you were them what I said would've registered.

Kobe was down 20+ to the worst team in the league. Jordan was battling a playoff caliber in a close game. Kobe didn't look to get his team involved, Jordan did everything possible to win a close game, scoring, rebounding, blocking shots, dishing assists, getting steals etc. That means more to me as a basketball fan.[/QUOTE]
Lol jordan beat the cavs when they had a losing record:facepalm Stop trying this bs. Jordan played in a faster pace and had ten extra minutes and he couldn't match kobe's 81. I'm clearly talking about scoring potential so why are you bringing up rebounds? Stay on topic.

Are we really saying Jordan couldnt score like Kobe? REALLY?


Mike had seasons of 37ppg, 35ppg, and various other seasons of over 30ppg, on over 50 percent from the field. Wtf are people even talking about around here?

[QUOTE=Calabis]Glad your laughing, because it's obvious you cannot differ from the two[/QUOTE]

:roll:

MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.

People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol:

Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.


Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.

Battier has a freaking manual on Kobe's tendencies! He was even quoted saying stayed up all night studying film and books of paper work compiled on Kobe's tendencies, yet when he's assigned to guard him Kobe scored 30 and 40+ on him. Even in that Houston series Kobe had Artest and Battier on him and he still scored on them with ease and couldn't stop him from winning. Not to mention he only went to the FT line 10 times once in the series. The rest of the games were all 7 or under.

[QUOTE=tpols]Lol jordan beat the cavs when they had a losing record:facepalm Stop trying this bs. Jordan played in a faster pace and had ten extra minutes and he couldn't match kobe's 81. I'm clearly talking about scoring potential so why are you bringing up rebounds? Stay on topic.[/QUOTE]
It's not bs, it's the truth. No matter what their record was, they made the playoffs. The raptors didn't and neither did the lakers.

I bring up everything else because point totals dint tell the whe story.

[QUOTE=Calabis]And Jordan should have won 8 in a row...shoulda, woulda, coulda...lmao at GOAT[/QUOTE]
Why did he retire then? Was scared of Hakeem? I think so.

[QUOTE=Ne 1]MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.

People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol:

Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.


Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.

Battier has a freaking manual on Kobe's tendencies! He was even quoted saying stayed up all night studying film and books of paper work compiled on Kobe's tendencies, yet when he's assigned to guard him Kobe scored 30 and 40+ on him. Even in that Houston series Kobe had Artest and Battier on him and he still scored on them with ease and couldn't stop him from winning. Not to mention he only went to the FT line 10 times once in the series. The rest of the games were all 7 or under.[/QUOTE]

Great post.

[QUOTE=Ne 1]MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.

People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol:

Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.


Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.[/QUOTE]



Bro, you're either 12 years old.....or you're being sarcastic, or you're a fu*king idiot if you honestly tried to come with that straight up bullshit you typed there. :oldlol:

I just had to quote this again....


[QUOTE=Ne 1]MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.

People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol:

Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.


Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.

Battier has a freaking manual on Kobe's tendencies! He was even quoted saying stayed up all night studying film and books of paper work compiled on Kobe's tendencies, yet when he's assigned to guard him Kobe scored 30 and 40+ on him. Even in that Houston series Kobe had Artest and Battier on him and he still scored on them with ease and couldn't stop him from winning. Not to mention he only went to the FT line 10 times once in the series. The rest of the games were all 7 or under.[/QUOTE]



Did anyone READ THIS? :roll: This HAS TO BE a joke.

You can TELL some of these posters HAVE to be teenagers...


"he played in an era of slow unathletic white guys"




Jordan's prime years were like 15 years ago or so....and he was still rocking it in the early 2000s. :oldlol:


F*cking kids act like dude was playing in the 50s, and 60s.

[QUOTE=oh the horror]Are we really saying Jordan couldnt score like Kobe? REALLY?


Mike had seasons of 37ppg, 35ppg, and various other seasons of over 30ppg, on over 50 percent from the field. Wtf are people even talking about around here?[/QUOTE]


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[COLOR="Cyan"]Blue[/COLOR]: Isolation era+Handchecking
[COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR]: Zone era+Handchecking (Best defensive era in NBA history)
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Green[/COLOR]: Zone Era without handchecking


[B]Conclusion[/B]: Clearly stats from the 80s and 90s - both PPG+FG%- are inflated, due to faster run-and-gun pace (think 2005 Suns, 2007 Warriors), inferior defense, and inferior players.

[QUOTE=Ne 1][IMG]http://oi52.tinypic.com/2zdnbeo.jpg[/IMG]

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[COLOR="Cyan"]Blue[/COLOR]: Isolation era+Handchecking
[COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR]: Zone era+Handchecking (Best defensive era in NBA history)
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Green[/COLOR]: Zone Era without handchecking


[B]Conclusion[/B]: Clearly stats from the 80s and 90s - both PPG+FG%- are inflated, due to faster run-and-gun pace (think 2005 Suns, 2007 Warriors), inferior defense, and inferior players.[/QUOTE]
:applause:

[QUOTE=Ne 1]No surprise. Jordan was the biggest ballhog in NBA history, dude led the league in jacking up shots a recorded 9 times and averaged 24 fg attempts per game for his career! But that's not all!

He shots the ball 49 times in one game, in 15 years he shot the ball..24,567 times a record for a 15 year career!

He had seasons' of 25 FG attempt's, 28 FG attempts and 24 FG attempts per game.

Doug Collins wanted MJ to pass more and MJ had Doug fired!!!! (this was before Pippen emerged as the facilitator)[/QUOTE]

Clearly Doug Collins knew what he was talking about since he led teams to so many titles... Oh wait...

[QUOTE=tpols]You look at it in a negative way but I look at it positively. Kobe could've had many seasons of 35+ppg like he did during his peak w/o shaq and could've been better than MJ:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

LMAO... negative, Kobe wouldn't have scored 35 multiple seasons??? That's the extreme positive........he did it once and took more shots to do than MJ did in his 35 ppg season......so if you want to say he would score.....of course we all know that, but with a 46% shooting percentage, 30-31 point seasons would be more realistic..imo

[QUOTE=Jacks3]And yet Jordan consistently took more FGA per game over the course of their careers. :roll:[/QUOTE]
And made them at a higher percentage:roll:

So what are graphs, and shit supposed to prove? Again, AGAIN....Reading comprehesion now....If YOU DIDNT WATCH MIKE PLAY, THROUGHOUT MOST OF HIS CAREER, YOU DONT KNOW D*CK.


I watched MOST of Mike's good years, AND ALLLLLL of Kobe's career. And its clear as day to me, and MULTIPLE people my age, that Kobe just isnt as good as Mike. Its just that simple.


The problem with statistics, and graphs, and shit like that, is that there are TOO many factors, to break down, and argue into the ground. If you cant VISUALLY see for yourself, then you have no concept of anything really....other than science, and numbers. The reality of basketball is....one day, someone is going to claim another player is "better than Kobe".....and you know what they're going to do? Come at YOU with graphs, and stats, talking about how "watered down" this current era of ball players were.


Its all bullshit until youve watched the players for yourself. You can measure it properly. Not based on statistical nonsense.