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[QUOTE=YouCallILose]why would i feel stupid? griffin has no game outside of dunks and he gets shut down when he goes against length[/QUOTE]
That's why he shoots better from range than Carter, Kenyon Dooling, Pietrus, Gallinari, Jason Kidd, Billups, and Jennings right? He shoots a better percentage on MORE attempts than all of those guys from 16-23 feet. Do they all have no shot too?
[QUOTE=Dave3]That's why he shoots better from range than Carter, Kenyon Dooling, Pietrus, Gallinari, Jason Kidd, Billups, and Jennings right? He shoots a better percentage on MORE attempts than all of those guys from 16-23 feet. Do they all have no shot too?[/QUOTE]
Griffin is shooting 31.4% 10-15 feet and 32.0% 16-23 feet
those are garbage numbers
and it's not like he's getting better, in january he's shooting 29 and 29.5%
[QUOTE=YouCallILose]Griffin is shooting 31.4% 10-15 feet and 32.0% 16-23 feet
those are garbage numbers[/QUOTE]
For a rookie power forward or for an NBA superstar? Like I said, 32% from 16-23 feet is better than all of those guys I listed. Are they all also garbage from outside?
Not to mention he already has a decent post game in his first year in the league. Again I ask, why is it that you think he won't be improving?
[QUOTE=Dave3]For a rookie power forward or for an NBA superstar? Like I said, 32% from 16-23 feet is better than all of those guys I listed. Are they all also garbage from outside?
Not to mention he already has a decent post game in his first year in the league. Again I ask, why is it that you think he won't be improving?[/QUOTE]
kid hasn't improved in one facet since his sophomore year of college. not 1, he's still the exact same player just stronger from working out in the 2 years.
[QUOTE=YouCallILose]kid hasn't improved in one facet since his sophomore year of college. not 1, he's still the exact same player just stronger from working out in the 2 years.[/QUOTE]
He hasn't improved, yet he's averaging more points and about the same rebounds in the NBA than freaking college? Not to mention more assists as well? How do you put up the same numbers (at this type of volume) in the NBA while staying the same player? And he's clearly improved his conditioning, strength, speed, and vertical, all in the year he was out the entire time with a knee surgery. He improved the hardest thing to improve (athleticism) the same year he had a season ending surgery on his knee, and you think he can't improve little things that [B]ALL [/B]NBA players improve at like shooting, footwork, and defense? How does that make any sense?
[QUOTE=YouCallILose]why would i feel stupid? griffin has no game outside of dunks and he gets shut down when he goes against length[/QUOTE]
Andrew Bogut is long and a good defender, and he guarded Blake, and Blake toyed with him.
And you say all he has is dunks? You clearly don't watch Clippers games.
Why do you feel so threatened by Blake? Get off Durant's nuts already.
If Griffin shot as many freethrows as Durant I'm sure he would be leading the league in scoring as well.
[QUOTE=Fiasco]If Griffin shot as many freethrows as Durant I'm sure he would be leading the league in scoring as well.[/QUOTE]
Durant is averaging 9.2 FTA while Blake is averaging 8.6. Go troll somewhere else.
[QUOTE=YouCallILose]why would i feel stupid? griffin has no game outside of dunks and he gets shut down when he goes against length[/QUOTE]
Griffin has no game outside of dunks? The guy has incredible ballhandling and post moves. He embarasses people with some of his spin moves and can go around even guards with his quickness. The game where he dropped 47 points on 19-24 shooting, he had ONE dunk.
How many games have you watched?
And I'm sorry you couldn't reply to my post.. I know it hurts when you get destroyed on forums (although I'm sorry to say it but to you, it happens all the time).
[QUOTE=dunksby]Durant is averaging 9.2 FTA while Blake is averaging 8.6. Go troll somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
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My predictions in their Primes
1. Kevin Durant
2. Blake Griffin
3. Derrick Rose
If you are talkinga bout right now Derrick Rose is the most tested and the most proven and carried his teams through a whole lot. The guy has been a part of the greatest playoff series ever and went admirably mano a mano at Lebron in another series. He's is proven on the levels of leadership, important minutes, team control, adjusting his game, is the most skilled, the most playoff tested, can control the pace of the game and the possesses the best all around game. Has his team overachieving and is the steady hand in a winning team that has been going thru a lot.
So that leaves us in the projection camp.
Durant is a big time scorer... scorer.... dominant scorer, dang near unstoppable scorer. And will be for a good more seven years plus. Should go down as one of the greatest offensive weapons ever. He rebounds a little above average for a small forward too. While pretty much one dimensional now, there is no reason why he shouldn't be a very good defender with his crazy long arms. To be great he will need to add to his long arms and accurate aim as most of the younger generation doesn't recall George Gervin. Has a better all around younger player on his team which really skews looking at him.
Blake is much better passer, rebounder and defender than Durant is and I don't see that changing. He will be a better[B] low post [/B]scorer than Durant in the future. His numbers will be superior to Duncan's rookie year and he is a much better passer than Duncan was at that time. While Duncan's numbers didn't improve much Blake's should improve more dramatically by all means. I'm not saying he is better, but he's more impressive in this stage of development. Blake has a lot to learn but by the end of the year he will prove to be in elite level without having wisdom about the game. Passes out of the double like a vet. Is as strong as the strongest in the strongman position. Can literally leap out of bad situations.
Like Dwight at Center and Blake at Powerforward, D Rose is the amazing talent/athlete at his position. While we do guesswork on how players improve D Rose has a track record of improving on his weaknesses (3pt shooting, fouls, leadership and defense). So his projection should be very high. I believe he will be the best defender of the bunch as well.
1)Rose because he is a star already and is the surest thing.
2)Blake because he will impact the game from the post and in so many ways. I think he will be ranked very high all time.
3)Durant but still will be a superstar.
If I did this by Peak.
Blake
Durant
Rose
[QUOTE=Pointguard]If I did this by Peak.
Blake
Durant
Rose[/QUOTE]
So you think Griffin will have the best stats but Rose will have the best career
1: Durant
2: Griffin
3: Rose
Either way, Durant and Rose will get tired of not winning it all and will join Griffin and the Clippers and turn into the Clipples and will become the most hated team in the league.
1. Durant
2. Rose
3. Griffin
Need to see how Griffin holds up after a couple seasons. He could be another Amare/Antonio Mcdyess (surgery requiring adjustments of game). Right now Blake is my favorite player to watch in the NBA because he seems to give it his all on every play. He reminds me of Ndamukong Suh from the Detroit Lions, just ferocious LOL.
[QUOTE=Ikill]So you think Griffin will have the best stats but Rose will have the best career[/QUOTE]
In their peak I think Griffin will be the best all around player. Point Guards don't peak high - never have as the better ones are intertwined into balancing their team needs. Durant will have a steady dose of great scoring years.
I can elaborate on it later but work isn't going to let me finish now.
[QUOTE=Dave3]He hasn't improved, yet he's averaging more points and about the same rebounds in the NBA than freaking college? Not to mention more assists as well? How do you put up the same numbers (at this type of volume) in the NBA while staying the same player? And he's clearly improved his conditioning, strength, speed, and vertical, all in the year he was out the entire time with a knee surgery. He improved the hardest thing to improve (athleticism) the same year he had a season ending surgery on his knee, and you think he can't improve little things that [B]ALL [/B]NBA players improve at like shooting, footwork, and defense? How does that make any sense?[/QUOTE]
Didn't anyone ever tell you not to feed the trolls? :cheers: :cheers:
[QUOTE=Darius]Didn't anyone ever tell you not to feed the trolls? :cheers: :cheers:[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't usually, but others responding to him weren't making the best of points, so I felt like intervening. You're right though.
[QUOTE=clipps]1: Durant
2: Griffin
3: Rose
Either way, Durant and Rose will get tired of not winning it all and will join Griffin and the Clippers and turn into the Clipples and will become the most hated team in the league.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure you are a Clippers fan?
Rose
Griffin
Durant
[COLOR="White"]Come at me, Joyner![/COLOR]
Rose
Griffin/Durant
I think Griffin is being overhyped because of his highlight dunks and inflated stats from playing with a scrub team. Not hating on the kid though, he's real fun to watch and has a lot of potential considering he's a "rookie" cause he sat out all of last season.
Durant is a one trick pony who chucks shots all day long and needs the refs help when he struggles. No way he'll be a superstar with that kind of play.
Wow. Half this thread is filled with retards. It would take way to long to quote all the teribble posts and argue against them. Anyways. I think it's way to early to pull the gun on Griffin, unlike with Rose and Durant who have had a couple years of nba time that we can judge from. But to be honest, if I HAD TO choose in order, it would go...
Griffin
Rose
Durant
Watching Griffin is truly incredible. I find it hard for anyone who watches Clips games on a regular basis to not be amazed by what they see. Someone said earlier he's overhyped because of his highlight dunks, well thats completely false and can only come from someone who does nothing more than watch their favorite team and summaries of other games. Watch a few Clips game and Griffin's potential and talent will be extremely evident. It is truly amazing to see a player come and adapt to the NBA game as well as Griffin has. But like I said earlier, it is rather early to make a decison. There's a lot to learn about Griffin, such as how he handles himself later in the season, his overall work ethic throughout the season, how he spends his time in the offseason. By decision is based of my assumption that he will make the sacrafice to better and prove himself in these upcoming crucial seasons. If he does that, I can easily see him as the best player of his generation in the NBA.
For Rose, I am Bulls fan, so I watch the Bulls almost every game. However, I am far from the unbiased type. Anyone who watches Bulls games with regularity can see the massive improvement Rose has made from this season to last. It wasn't that long ago that Rose was rather shy, and seemed to steer away from a superstar role that every fan wanted him to play. Well this season he has finally done it. I won't overexaggerate and say he's MVP (i thinnk he definitely has a case, but isn't quite there yet), but they guy is definitely valuable. His three point shot has been his most exciting improvement so far. How he can jump from being so poor to so spot on in is stunning. Not even a year ago the guy was nervouse to take wide open jumpers, and now, he takes defenders one and one, spots from three and sinks it. Aside from that, he relentlessy attacks the rim. Wether he goes in and gets the and one or goes in and gets denied. He refuses to stop, and that's an extremely likable characteristic, as nothing is worse for a team than it's star player to be scared of going inside and always deferring to teammates when things get tough. If he keeps going the way he's going theres no doubt in my mind that his conversion on these tough drive ins are going to go up, and that's when he will truly shine. And I don'e in any way hesitate to say he will be better than D-Will and CP3 in a couple years time.
As for Durant, he's another amazing player. I wish I could watch him more, but its unfortunate that I just don't ever seem to be free when the Thunder's playing. Ot of all three, he's the one I have watched the least, at least lately. Still a future top player in my eyes, yet I can't help but see Griffin and Rose surpassing him
All this is just pure opinion. All three players are amazing and have an overflowing amount of potential, so I can easily see one person argue their case against another. I think this list can be put in any particular order and no one would be wrong. The only thing that could be wrong is the ridiculous reasoning I've seen in this thread lol.
Durant is last. I don't see that much potential in him. I really think he is done growing as a player. I can't see him getting better in any other areas.
[QUOTE=YouCallILose]Griffin will never be a top 5 player in the league. He is Shawn Kemp 2.0 or Amare minus a jumpshot/free throw shooting with better rebounding.
Durant is clearly the best of these 3 and this thread is a joke[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Yes I agree that Durant will be the best among them.
D-Rose will probably be at Westbrook level.
And about Griffin, he's better than Amare, he actually plays D!
Griffin
Durant
Rose
Championships mean everything. and no team is gonna win it all with a pg as their best player :oldlol:
[QUOTE=hkfosho]Rose
Griffin/Durant
I think Griffin is being overhyped because of his highlight dunks and inflated stats from playing with a scrub team. Not hating on the kid though, he's real fun to watch and has a lot of potential considering he's a "rookie" cause he sat out all of last season.
Durant is a one trick pony who chucks shots all day long and needs the refs help when he struggles. No way he'll be a superstar with that kind of play.[/QUOTE]
If anything its the opposite. Because he has incredible dunks and because he plays on a "scrub team" people overlook his top notch bball IQ, passing, leadership and pretty nice post game.
[QUOTE=Eat Like A Bosh]:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Yes I agree that Durant will be the best among them.
D-Rose will probably be at Westbrook level.
And about Griffin, he's better than Amare, he actually plays D![/QUOTE]
Rose will be at Westbrook level? He's already better than Russ. We need a SMH smiley..
[QUOTE=KingKobe]Griffin
Durant
Rose
Championships mean everything. and no team is gonna win it all with a pg as their best player :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Ever hear of Magic Johnson?
[QUOTE=shortlunatic]Wow. Half this thread is filled with retards. It would take way to long to quote all the teribble posts and argue against them. Anyways. I think it's way to early to pull the gun on Griffin, unlike with Rose and Durant who have had a couple years of nba time that we can judge from. But to be honest, if I HAD TO choose in order, it would go...
Griffin
Rose
Durant
Watching Griffin is truly incredible. I find it hard for anyone who watches Clips games on a regular basis to not be amazed by what they see. Someone said earlier he's overhyped because of his highlight dunks, well thats completely false and can only come from someone who does nothing more than watch their favorite team and summaries of other games. Watch a few Clips game and Griffin's potential and talent will be extremely evident. It is truly amazing to see a player come and adapt to the NBA game as well as Griffin has. But like I said earlier, it is rather early to make a decison. There's a lot to learn about Griffin, such as how he handles himself later in the season, his overall work ethic throughout the season, how he spends his time in the offseason. By decision is based of my assumption that he will make the sacrafice to better and prove himself in these upcoming crucial seasons. If he does that, I can easily see him as the best player of his generation in the NBA.
For Rose, I am Bulls fan, so I watch the Bulls almost every game. However, I am far from the unbiased type. Anyone who watches Bulls games with regularity can see the massive improvement Rose has made from this season to last. It wasn't that long ago that Rose was rather shy, and seemed to steer away from a superstar role that every fan wanted him to play. Well this season he has finally done it. I won't overexaggerate and say he's MVP (i thinnk he definitely has a case, but isn't quite there yet), but they guy is definitely valuable. His three point shot has been his most exciting improvement so far. How he can jump from being so poor to so spot on in is stunning. Not even a year ago the guy was nervouse to take wide open jumpers, and now, he takes defenders one and one, spots from three and sinks it. Aside from that, he relentlessy attacks the rim. Wether he goes in and gets the and one or goes in and gets denied. He refuses to stop, and that's an extremely likable characteristic, as nothing is worse for a team than it's star player to be scared of going inside and always deferring to teammates when things get tough. If he keeps going the way he's going theres no doubt in my mind that his conversion on these tough drive ins are going to go up, and that's when he will truly shine. And I don'e in any way hesitate to say he will be better than D-Will and CP3 in a couple years time.
As for Durant, he's another amazing player. I wish I could watch him more, but its unfortunate that I just don't ever seem to be free when the Thunder's playing. Ot of all three, he's the one I have watched the least, at least lately. Still a future top player in my eyes, yet I can't help but see Griffin and Rose surpassing him
All this is just pure opinion. All three players are amazing and have an overflowing amount of potential, so I can easily see one person argue their case against another. I think this list can be put in any particular order and no one would be wrong. The only thing that could be wrong is the ridiculous reasoning I've seen in this thread lol.[/QUOTE]
Great post. Repped.. Wish I could rep you again. Love the non-bias/respect for all players. All valid points and yes I agree.. Rose's development has my jaw on the floor. I first got a glimpse of it during the FIBA world championships.
Can't wait for the game tomorrow. Rose vs Griffin. It's gona be great :) Too bad Rose's new FIBA buddy (Eric Gordon) isn't playing :/
Then again, they did upgrade Gordon's status to "day to day".. They originally said 3-4 weeks. So let's see what happens
[QUOTE=KingKobe]Griffin
Durant
Rose
Championships mean everything. and no team is gonna win it all with a pg as their best player :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
umm yes you can
[QUOTE=TheCalmInsanity]Great post. Repped.. Wish I could rep you again. Love the non-bias/respect for all players. All valid points and yes I agree.. Rose's development has my jaw on the floor. I first got a glimpse of it during the FIBA world championships.
Can't wait for the game tomorrow. Rose vs Griffin. It's gona be great :) Too bad Rose's new FIBA buddy (Eric Gordon) isn't playing :/
Then again, they did upgrade Gordon's status to "day to day".. They originally said 3-4 weeks. So let's see what happens[/QUOTE]
Thank you. And agreed, I am pretty hyped for this match up again. Hopefully the Bulls watched some film and can do a better job trying to stop Griffin's points in the paint, he murdered down there last time.
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]Ever hear of Magic Johnson?[/QUOTE]
Every heard of KAJ
and LOL at comparing rose to magic
[QUOTE=KingKobe]Every heard of KAJ
and LOL at comparing rose to magic[/QUOTE]
Isiah Thomas is more like Rose and he did a back to back.
Durant/Rose
Griffin
Griffin had a stellar NBA rookie season. He's still raw and dominated. He has an incredible work ethic. This offseason he's been working very hard on the jump shot, which means he will have a consistent jumpshot very soon. Once he has that shot he can score almost at will. He's a guy that loves to rebound and do the dirty work. Excellent passer. He has all the potential to be a future MVP, future scoring champ, future rebounding champ, and even leading a team like the Clippers to a championship(if the front office does a decent job). It's scary how good this guy can be..and I'm sure he will be if injury free. His defense was not as bad as people made it out to be and he will improve there too. I'd take him over Durant and Rose just because he's a big man (always good to have that) and he does multiple things.
[QUOTE=senelcoolidge]Griffin had a stellar NBA rookie season. He's still raw and dominated. He has an incredible work ethic. This offseason he's been working very hard on the jump shot, which means he will have a consistent jumpshot very soon. Once he has that shot he can score almost at will. He's a guy that loves to rebound and do the dirty work. Excellent passer. He has all the potential to be a future MVP, future scoring champ, future rebounding champ, and even leading a team like the Clippers to a championship(if the front office does a decent job). It's scary how good this guy can be..and I'm sure he will be if injury free. His defense was not as bad as people made it out to be and he will improve there too. I'd take him over Durant and Rose just because he's a big man (always good to have that) and he does multiple things.[/QUOTE]
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If I had to choose one right now, to build a franchise around and win a championship, I would definitely choose Durant.
It's not even a hard question for me.
Blake could or couldn't be injury prone. One injury could ruin his entire game. Think about it.
Durant's game doesn't rely on his athleticism. He is one inch shy of being a 7 footer and has the wingspan of Yao Ming. His shot is one of the best and most consistent in the NBA. He is going to be an incredible player. I have no idea what his peak will look like but I'm sure it will be amazing.
[QUOTE=senelcoolidge]Griffin had a stellar NBA rookie season. He's still raw and dominated. He has an incredible work ethic. This offseason he's been working very hard on the jump shot, which means he will have a consistent jumpshot very soon. Once he has that shot he can score almost at will. He's a guy that loves to rebound and do the dirty work. Excellent passer. He has all the potential to be a future MVP, future scoring champ, future rebounding champ, and even leading a team like the Clippers to a championship(if the front office does a decent job). It's scary how good this guy can be..and I'm sure he will be if injury free. His defense was not as bad as people made it out to be and he will improve there too. I'd take him over Durant and Rose just because he's a big man (always good to have that) and he does multiple things.[/QUOTE]
It's kinda funny that you mention future MVP, future scoring champ, future champion. Derrick Rose has already won an MVP, Kevin Durant has what? 2 scoring titles? Both guy's have made the conference finals.
There all 22 as well so it's not like KD and Rose aren't improving and getting better.
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]It's kinda funny that you mention future MVP, future scoring champ, future champion. Derrick Rose has already won an MVP, Kevin Durant has what? 2 scoring titles? Both guy's have made the conference finals.
There all 22 as well so it's not like KD and Rose aren't improving and getting better.[/QUOTE]
They've been in the league longer. More time to adjust to the competition in the league, more time to build team chemistry, and more time to find their niches. When people say Griffin was raw, they may be underestimating how green this entire team was in itself. If fielding the youngest squad with key players injured over significant time (Davis, Kaman, Gordon) wasn't already a difficult situation to come into, everyone on the team had to adjust to a coach who is notorious for running a terrible rotation and half-court offense. What more was Griffin supposed to do with Ryan Gomes starting? Or a 2 guard out of Kentucky playing 1 in the NBA, the unequivocally hardest position to play professionally? LeBron James himself would have had a difficult time taking this team to anything past a 7th seed in the West.
It's hard to understand for anyone who didn't watch every single Clipper game this year (who would, other than the miserable few of us?) because Sportscenter would rather highlight his gravity defying dunks over his smart basketball plays 9 times out of 10. Ergo, the braintrust on ISH starts to perpetuate verbal nonsense like "Griffin is only a dunk machine!" or "His play had no effect on the games whatsoever, they only won 32" which brings me to my point of [B]context being everything.[/B] I'm undoubtedly going to receive a few replies from people who claim to have seen him all year, but take it from a miserable Clipper fan who can tell you 10 things wrong with this team before he says 1 thing right: Griffin is going to be a stud in this league for years.