TRADE: Magic trade Vince, Gortat, Pietrus, pick to Suns for J-Rich, Hedo, E.Clark

[QUOTE=Arroyo8]bobcats culd use a PG and a scorer but idk what the magic would want from them[/QUOTE]

Tyrus Thomas.

what a lousy move for suns! who the hell trades your top scorer away mid season!~?~?

[QUOTE=broy]Tyrus Thomas.[/QUOTE]
don't think bobcats would give him up though

[QUOTE=flipogb]its kind of hard to find a team that desperately needs a PG so i don't know where they could trade Nelson[/QUOTE]

teams off the top of my head:

Philladelphia - Jameer Nelson's home
Raptors
Pistons
Bobcats
Possibly Hawks(Bibby is really old)

its gonna be really hard for them to get equal value for Nelson. They may end up having to keep him(which isnt a bad thing)

Honestly, they may be better off keeping them. Unless Gilbert gets back to form Nelson is better than him.

Maybe they can package Jameer Nelson and Reddick for Iggy?

Is Boris Diaw still any good?

[QUOTE=nashisbest]what a lousy move for suns! who the hell trades your top scorer away mid season!~?~?[/QUOTE]

A team that realizes he will not carry them to a Championship, or even the playoffs at that. They aren't doing anything this season, they may as well make some moves to address problems and try to get back to where they were.

I'm liking this trade. We get out of Hedo's contract and in turn get a better defensive player and a guy that will hit the 3 with the same consistency. J-Rich for VC is a blow but I feel the pieces added on the defensive end will make up for the disparity in those guys. If VC doesn't work out, I'm pretty sure this is the last year on his contract anyway. And Gortat over Earl Clark? Even if Gortat doesn't meet expectations as a starter, I'll take him over hoping and praying that Earl gets better with no real signs of it happening.

At face value they seem to get a legit center, which was a huge piece they were missing, an extra pick that will help them get some promising young talent and opens them up financially to make some moves. People need to start realizing that we're nearing the end of the Nash era, they need to start doing something before they have nobody of worth and nothing to work with.

OH SHIET Oh shiet! VC and nashy together ! :)

[QUOTE=AznTacoLover]OH SHIET Oh shiet! way past his prime VC and nearing his end nashy together ! :)[/QUOTE]
fixed, it pains me to do it to nash however

I'm not really sure what to think of this trade from Phoenix's side.
Losing J-Rich is gonna hurt pretty bad, I think alot of people don't realise just how important he has been to Phoenix and I highly doubt Carter can fill that role.
Turk gone, no issues there at all and he goes back to the one system in the league where he can be effective.
I like Pietrus but I don't see where his minutes are going to come from, unless there's a Carter buyout coming. Hill, Dudley, Childress and Carter all ahead of him at the 2/3 spots. Maybe with a buyout could see Childress start with Dragic getting minutes at 2 while still backing up Nash.
The big one is Gortat, I've thought for while now that given minutes he can be one of the better Centers in the league, guess we'll find out now.

Gortat/Lopez/Barron
Warrick/Frye/Barron
Hill/Dudley/Pietrus
Carter?/Childress/Pietrus
Nash/Dragic

Gortat is definitely going to start to erupt because of Nash now.

gotta say Im a little sad that gortat wont become a piston. Weird that they got hedo back, but overall, they've made this an interesting offensive team.

With somewhat limited defense, esp if howard picks up some fouls.

So, I guess the rotation is something like
nelson/arenas/Williams/Duhon?
arenas? Richardson? JJ?
Hedo?/Q? JRich?
Bass/Anderson/Clark
Howard/Ortiz?

seems like a super deep perimeter team with a pretty limited frontcourt roster. Did I miss anyone?

[QUOTE=Draz]Gortat is definitely going to start to erupt because of Nash now.[/QUOTE]
While it will help, simply playing more will show what he is capable of. Dude is a solid, top 20 center in this league IMO.

Give Earl Clark minutes.

Thats all I ask, damnit

:wtf: Just got access to internet.

Can J-Rich play SF?

i like the traide. this means nash may be available next season

they can very well beat the celtics now if u dont believe tht ur a fuggin idiot... this is fuggin hugeeee

[QUOTE=Gundress]Shit just got real.[/QUOTE]

This

Wow...huge trades!

Vince now will get a ton of open looks thanks to Steve Nash. His numbers will rise because of Nash

[QUOTE=ronnymac]Vince now will get a ton of open looks thanks to Steve Nash. His numbers will rise because of Nash[/QUOTE]

He was getting a ton of open looks because of Dwight Howard, didnt make any difference.

[QUOTE=Magic Vinsanity]He was getting a ton of open looks because of Dwight Howard, didnt make any difference.[/QUOTE]
Having an actual playmaker who can get you a variety of different type of shots is alot different

[QUOTE=ronnymac]Having an actual playmaker who can get you a variety of different type of shots is alot different[/QUOTE]

Wide open looks are wide open looks, regardless of who passes the ball to you. VC was getting wide open looks every game in Orlando, he just wants making them.

[QUOTE=Magic Vinsanity]Wide open looks are wide open looks, regardless of who passes the ball to you. VC was getting wide open looks every game in Orlando, he just wants making them.[/QUOTE]
Wide open looks that nash can get him will be in a variety of different spots on the court. The ones Howard could draw or gwet him was generaly on the 3pt line. Nash can get him alot more high % looks which he has alot better shot of getting.

[QUOTE=ronnymac]Wide open looks that nash can get him will be in a variety of different spots on the court. The ones Howard could draw or gwet him was generaly on the 3pt line. Nash can get him alot more high % looks which he has alot better shot of getting.[/QUOTE]

The majority of his looks were coming from about 15 foot out on the baseline and the top of the key, the guy was just not making them.

Nobody in the league at this point gets their team mates as wide open as Dwight and Vince was struggling. I hope he improves in PHX but I have my doubts, I think he is just on his natural, age-related decline.

[QUOTE=mayo'sgrizz][B]they can very well beat the celtics now if u dont believe tht ur a fuggin idiot[/B]... this is fuggin hugeeee[/QUOTE]

.. ok :oldlol:

[QUOTE=boozehound]While it will help, simply playing more will show what he is capable of. Dude is a solid, top 20 center in this league IMO.[/QUOTE]

When the Magic matched the Mavs contract offer last year, I threw my shoe at the television :oldlol:

I could see him forming a killer P/R combo with Nash. Am I crazy to think he could be a top 10 center in Phoenix? Really not that many guys out there to compete with :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Magic Vinsanity]The majority of his looks were coming from about 15 foot out on the baseline and the top of the key, the guy was just not making them.

Nobody in the league at this point gets their team mates as wide open as Dwight and Vince was struggling. I hope he improves in PHX but I have my doubts, I think he is just on his natural, age-related decline.[/QUOTE]

They don't watch magic games , DUDE HAD OPEN LOOKS ALL NIGHT! Listennnnnnn :hammerhead:

I think wide open jump shots are a lot different then wide open lay ups or catch and dunks.

[QUOTE=Magic Vinsanity]Wide open looks are wide open looks, regardless of who passes the ball to you. VC was getting wide open looks every game in Orlando, he just wants making them.[/QUOTE]

He was shooting 47% for the season (a career high), the guy was hitting his shots. Why do people feel the need to lie to make their arguments?

I think People are really sleeping on Gilbert Arenas...He has been on the WIZARDS!!!!!! How good have they ever been...And ask anyone in the league how happy they would be if someone just gave them Dwight Howard after having Javale Mcghee...I think this will resurrect his career...

JRich will do what carter jus did just more consistently...And i think Turk is the wild card because no one knows whats his problem...

As for people talking about Foul trouble on D Howard and that will cause them to epic failure... I mean this is not new stuff...Its people's game plans to get him in foul trouble every game and that is how people always thought in beating the magic... So this is not something new they dealt with...

I still dont think they can beat Boston in the East....But no team can in the east...Who else has possible 5 hall of famers...

But magic does have better offense and slightly worst defense now...

[QUOTE=Walker]I'm not really sure what to think of this trade from Phoenix's side.
Losing J-Rich is gonna hurt pretty bad, I think alot of people don't realise just how important he has been to Phoenix and I highly doubt Carter can fill that role.
Turk gone, no issues there at all and he goes back to the one system in the league where he can be effective.
I like Pietrus but I don't see where his minutes are going to come from, unless there's a Carter buyout coming. Hill, Dudley, Childress and Carter all ahead of him at the 2/3 spots. Maybe with a buyout could see Childress start with Dragic getting minutes at 2 while still backing up Nash.
The big one is Gortat, I've thought for while now that given minutes he can be one of the better Centers in the league, guess we'll find out now.

Gortat/Lopez/Barron
Warrick/Frye/Barron
Hill/Dudley/Pietrus
Carter?/Childress/Pietrus
Nash/Dragic[/QUOTE]

I will be shocked if that ends up being the lineup. I'd much more expect something like..

Nash\Dragic
Carter\Pietrus
Hill\Dudley
Frye\Warrick
Lopez\Gortat or Gortat\Lopez

Childress hasn't even been getting minutes lately.. his broken finger is hopefully the reason for lack of productivity but he hasn't really shown much this season. his minutes would be split at the 2\3 spot as the 11th guy. And I see Frye at PF -- the Suns system needs a pf who can stretch the floor more than attack the hoop, especially now with vc and gortat who can run pnr.

[QUOTE=ATL_Bball_King]I think People are really sleeping on Gilbert Arenas...He has been on the WIZARDS!!!!!! How good have they ever been...And ask anyone in the league how happy they would be if someone just gave them Dwight Howard after having Javale Mcghee...I think this will resurrect his career...

JRich will do what carter jus did just more consistently...And i think Turk is the wild card because no one knows whats his problem...

As for people talking about Foul trouble on D Howard and that will cause them to epic failure... I mean this is not new stuff...Its people's game plans to get him in foul trouble every game and that is how people always thought in beating the magic... So this is not something new they dealt with...

I still dont think they can beat Boston in the East....But no team can in the east...Who else has possible 5 hall of famers...

But magic does have better offense and slightly worst defense now...[/QUOTE]
addressing the depth at the 5. Before they had a very capable backup who could play 15-30 mins if howard was in trouble. now, who do the have? Ortiz? Dude couldnt get many mins on a solid but not great kentucky team, and I have seen nothing to indicate drastic improvement. Malik Allen? Bass? If howard went down with an injury, this whole team looks much much worse.

That being said, I think it was a good trade for them.

[QUOTE=boozehound]addressing the depth at the 5. Before they had a very capable backup who could play 15-30 mins if howard was in trouble. now, who do the have? Ortiz? Dude couldnt get many mins on a solid but not great kentucky team, and I have seen nothing to indicate drastic improvement. Malik Allen? Bass? If howard went down with an injury, this whole team looks much much worse.

That being said, I think it was a good trade for them.[/QUOTE]

Lol, if Howard goes down with an injury, we're screwed, anyway. With or without the trade.

And as for Vince shooting 47%, that's because he has turned into a role player this year (at least, with us he was). Maybe he'll work it out in Phoenix, I hope so, I actually like the Suns.

[QUOTE=zORi]Lol, if Howard goes down with an injury, we're screwed, anyway. With or without the trade.

And as for Vince shooting 47%, that's because he has turned into a role player this year (at least, with us he was). Maybe he'll work it out in Phoenix, I hope so, I actually like the Suns.[/QUOTE]

Yea ... people are on here acting like that Gortat playing more than 8-10 minutes a game wouldn't screw Orlando regardless. Dwight HAS to play 40+ minutes in an ECF if they are doing anything.

wow Hedo is great in this system..... :wtf:

The X-Factor is Gilbert...If he can get close back to Agent zero...Now Agent 1, then Magic will be contenders...He needs to get his assists up with Howard...This is the only way they will go anywhere...