[QUOTE=griffmoney1784]ahhhh stick a cork in it grandpa[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=griffmoney1784]ahhhh stick a cork in it grandpa[/QUOTE]
open a book and learn basketball history and change your diaper.
A lot of Celtics past greats already stated Pierce is the greatest offensive player in franchise history. I'll take their word over poster on ISH :lol
[QUOTE=Duranthebest]If Paul Pierce becomes the Celtics # 1 scorer, I'm going to cry for 100 nights.[/QUOTE]
Its gonna happen so stock up on those tissues.
[QUOTE=Duranthebest]True story.[/QUOTE]
Top 5
1) Russell
2) Bird
3) Havlicek
4) Pierce
5) McHale
[QUOTE=t-rex]Top 5
1) Russell
2) Bird
3) Havlicek
4) Pierce
5) McHale[/QUOTE]
Why in God's name would you have Pierce and McHale over Cousy?
Cousy was an MVP, 10-time all-first NBA and dominated in the pre and post black star and shot clock eras. Also he won six titles.
Again, why would you have PP and Minnesota Franks over him?
[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]Why in God's name would you have Pierce and McHale over Cousy?
Cousy was an MVP, 10-time all-first NBA and dominated in the pre and post black star and shot clock eras. Also he won six titles.
Again, why would you have PP and Minnesota Franks over him?[/QUOTE]
G.O.A.T. it's called " I learned about the NBA from ESPN.How do people have Mchale over Dave Cowens ? Jo JO White is one of the most underrated players in the history of the game . I put players like Jo JO and Jammal Wilkes and I wonder do people watch the game. IN that 76 Great Finals game Hondo was a beast but why do people forget about how great Jo JO was. In Magic's 80' game 6 Greatest finals individual performance of all time why have people forgot how Great Silky was?
[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]Why in God's name would you have Pierce and McHale over Cousy?
Cousy was an MVP, 10-time all-first NBA and dominated in the pre and post black star and shot clock eras. Also he won six titles.
Again, why would you have PP and Minnesota Franks over him?[/QUOTE]
I thought about Cousy. And he is an all time Celtic. But to me he is overrated. Cousy would not dominate todays game. He wouldn't even be close. The other players on the list would dominate today. (Perhaps not Russell playing center at 6-9, but he would still be a good PF). I tried to make my list a combination of who is regarded as a great Celtic and who is a truly all time great player. I guess it is a matter of opinion.
If you rank the all time great players to ever play in the NBA, Cousy is not on your list. Thus he isn't in my top 5 Celtics list either. In retrospect I think you do have a point. I guess its just a matter of how you tackle the question.
For instance, if you were to list the top 5 Lakers of all time, George Mikan is probably on your list. However he wouldn't make my list, because Mikan, like Cousy is far from an all time great player based on modern metrics.
I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, but I hope you can see my point.
[QUOTE=Niquesports]G.O.A.T. it's called " I learned about the NBA from ESPN.How do people have Mchale over Dave Cowens ? Jo JO White is one of the most underrated players in the history of the game . I put players like Jo JO and Jammal Wilkes and I wonder do people watch the game. IN that 76 Great Finals game Hondo was a beast but why do people forget about how great Jo JO was. In Magic's 80' game 6 Greatest finals individual performance of all time why have people forgot how Great Silky was?[/QUOTE]
The famous night in game 6 of the 1980 NBA finals, when Magic Johnson played center and scored more than 40 points to clinch the title against the Sixers, its a little known fact that Jamal Wilkes also scored 40 points for the Lakers IN THE SAME GAME. But all anyone talks about is Magic Johnson's 40 point game performance.
Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe claims that to this day, Jamal Wilkes' 40 point game in Game 6 of the 1980 NBA Finals ranks as the quietest 40 point game in NBA playoff history.
[QUOTE=t-rex]The famous night in game 6 of the 1980 NBA finals, when Magic Johnson played center and scored more than 40 points to clinch the title against the Sixers, its a little known fact that Jamal Wilkes also scored 40 points for the Lakers IN THE SAME GAME. But all anyone talks about is Magic Johnson's 40 point game performance.
Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe claims that to this day, Jamal Wilkes' 40 point game in Game 6 of the 1980 NBA Finals ranks as the quietest 40 point game in NBA playoff history.[/QUOTE]
Not quite. Wilkes scored 37 points on 16-30 shooting, while Magic scored 42 on 14-23 shooting (and 14-14 in FTs). Magic also led ALL rebounders, and by a mile, with 15 rebounds (the next guy had 10.)
Just seen this thread, and no Pierce is not a top 5 Celtic of All-Time. I've seen people rank Pierce ahead of Cousy ... Y'all do know Bob is considered around a top 25 player, and Pierce is not, that simple.
Russell
Bird
Havlicek
Cousy
Cowens
Sam Jones
McHale
He is either before or after Parish
Parish
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Just seen this thread, and no Pierce is not a top 5 Celtic of All-Time. I've seen people rank Pierce ahead of Cousy ... Y'all do know Bob is considered around a top 25 player, and Pierce is not, that simple.
Russell
Bird
Havlicek
Cousy
Cowens
Sam Jones
McHale
He is either before or after Parish
Parish[/QUOTE]
100% agree. And Sam Jones may have been one of the most under-rated players in NBA history.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Just seen this thread, and no Pierce is not a top 5 Celtic of All-Time. I've seen people rank Pierce ahead of Cousy ... Y'all do know Bob is considered around a top 25 player, and Pierce is not, that simple.
Russell
Bird
Havlicek
Cousy
Cowens
Sam Jones
McHale
He is either before or after Parish
Parish[/QUOTE]
McHale and Pierce are both above Sam Jones.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle][B]Just seen this thread, and no Pierce is not a top 5 Celtic of All-Time.[/B] I've seen people rank Pierce ahead of Cousy ... Y'all do know Bob is considered around a top 25 player, and Pierce is not, that simple.
Russell
Bird
Havlicek
Cousy
Cowens
Sam Jones
McHale
He is either before or after Parish
Parish[/QUOTE]
:roll: Is that you Charles Fartkley?
Pierce Def top5
[QUOTE=MayCeltics]:roll: Is that you Charles Fartkley?
Pierce Def top5[/QUOTE]
Explain how he is TOP 5??
[QUOTE=Duranthebest]If Paul Pierce becomes the Celtics # 1 scorer, I'm going to cry for 100 nights.[/QUOTE]
How far is he away from that achievement and what rank is he now?
[QUOTE=MayCeltics]:roll: Is that you Charles Fartkley?
Pierce Def top5[/QUOTE]
You're not that new to this site, so you should know LKizzle is a dumb Pierce hater. He's been hating on Pierce since he joined. Don't take him seriously.
[QUOTE=no pun intended]How far is he away from that achievement and what rank is he now?[/QUOTE]
he is 3rd behind Bird and Hondo
I believe he is on pace to pass Bird by next year and he is about 6 000 points away from Hondo.
[QUOTE=jlauber]Not quite. Wilkes scored 37 points on 16-30 shooting, while Magic scored 42 on 14-23 shooting (and 14-14 in FTs). Magic also led ALL rebounders, and by a mile, with 15 rebounds (the next guy had 10.)[/QUOTE]
My bad. My memory is fading. However I absolutely do remember, Bob Ryan saying "It was the quietest 40 point game in NBA history. I think you just corrected us both. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Just seen this thread, and no Pierce is not a top 5 Celtic of All-Time. I've seen people rank Pierce ahead of Cousy ... Y'all do know Bob is considered around a top 25 player, and Pierce is not, that simple.
Russell
Bird
Havlicek
Cousy
Cowens
Sam Jones
McHale
He is either before or after Parish
Parish[/QUOTE]
There is no way based on the metrics of the modern game that Bob Cousy is one of the top 25 players in NBA history.
However, you bring up an important key player and often a forgotten man in Robert Parish. He was among the most underrated players of his era, and is definitely in the discussion for any all time great Celtics list.
[QUOTE=jlauber]Not quite. Wilkes scored 37 points on 16-30 shooting, while Magic scored 42 on 14-23 shooting (and 14-14 in FTs). Magic also led ALL rebounders, and by a mile, with 15 rebounds (the next guy had 10.)[/QUOTE]
NOt the same thing. After the game you always walked away saying Magic was great. WIth Silky you say he was good then you look in the box score and see he had 40 and you say what.
[QUOTE=t-rex]There is no way based on the metrics of the modern game that Bob Cousy is one of the top 25 players in NBA history.
However, you bring up an important key player and often a forgotten man in Robert Parish. He was among the most underrated players of his era, and is definitely in the discussion for any all time great Celtics list.[/QUOTE]
using your logic of today's "Metrics" a today player like JR Smith is better than Elgin Baylor. Sounds silly doesn't it. Look at Baylor's body of work compared to Smith"s. Cousy has accomplished more in his career than any PG in the last 15 years .Can PP say that in any category?
[QUOTE=t-rex]There is no way based on the metrics of the modern game that Bob Cousy is one of the top 25 players in NBA history.
However, you bring up an important key player and often a forgotten man in Robert Parish. He was among the most underrated players of his era, and is definitely in the discussion for any all time great Celtics list.[/QUOTE]
What is "today's metrics," that old time players suck? In that case, the record book from pre-1980 shouldn't even matter since these players don't fit in with "today's metrics."
Steve Blake is better than Oscar Robertson easily right?
Top 7 right now but hes stays with them a few more years he will be the longest celtic ever, so hes climbing as we speak, hes really the only true celtic on the team and many people forget how good he was some time ago.
As PP is approaching the end of his career, is it safe to say he's a top 5 Celtic all-time? Where would you place him?
I'd place him 4th, behind Russell, Bird and Havlicek...
[QUOTE=albas89]As PP is approaching the end of his career, is it safe to say he's a top 5 Celtic all-time? Where would you place him?
I'd place him 4th, behind Russell, Bird and Havlicek...[/QUOTE]
Same.
[quote]Oh yeah, definitely. I'd easily put Cousy, Russell, Havlicek, and Bird ahead of Pierce. I guess there could be a debate once you get past those four, but not with those four.[/quote]
Cousy?
Cousy wouldn't make all-star games today.
He was a franchise- and era-defining player, though. So he can be on the list.
Cousy, Russell, Havlicek, Bird, and Pierce seem like the top 5 to me. I'm not sure how McHale, a guy who was second- or third-fiddle to Bird, can make it over Pierce, a guy who defined the franchise for a decade. KM could score rebound and defend; but that's not what this list is about. If it were, again, Cousy wouldn't be anywhere near it.
Bob Cousy is not considered a top 25 player...by just about anybody.
As far as basketball, Pierce is probably #4, behind Bird, Russell, Havlicek...as far as what it means to be a Celtic...same thing.
da troof is top 5 of all time so yes he is defs a top 5 celtic
[QUOTE=Duranthebest]True story.[/QUOTE]
FALSE story.
Here is my list:
1. Legend
2. Russell
3. Mchale
4. Havlechek
5. Cousy
[URL="http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/articles/basketball/top-ten-boston-celtics-of-all-time.html"]http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/articles/basketball/top-ten-boston-celtics-of-all-time.html[/URL]
Here is the REALITY!
[B][I][SIZE="4"]5) Kevin McHale - Boston Celtics - 1980-1993[/SIZE][/I][/B]
Celtics accomplishments:
- NBA Hall of Fame member
- member of three Celtics championship teams
- seven-time All-Star
- two-time NBA Sixth Man of the Year
- All-Rookie Team
- six-time All-Defensive Team selection
- one-time All-NBA selection
"Teaming up with Larry Bird and Robert Parrish to form a great front-line, McHale was a key contributor on the three championships he won in Boston. McHale was also a great defensive player, recording nine blocks in two separate games, although the NBA did not record blocks then." - Diego
"Even though he spent most of his career as a sixth man for the Celtics in the 1980s, McHale was the low post threat Bird needed to succeed. Bird was not always a McHale fan because McHale never took the game as seriously as Bird (no one did) but he was the perfect foil. The good-natured McHale was a beast in the paint. He mastered the low post and could beat his opponents with a variety of skillful post moves. His reputation will take a bad rap for what he did as the general manager of the Timberwolves. But even after he
retired, he delivered a title to Boston. Can't ask for much more." - Philip
[B][SIZE="4"][I]4) Bob Cousy - Boston Celtics - 1950-1963[/I][/SIZE][/B]
Celtics accomplishments:
- NBA Hall of Fame member
- member of six Celtics championship teams
- 13-time All-Star
- NBA MVP
- 12-time All-NBA
- Celtics all-time assist leader
"The original Steve Nash (with shorter hair and less finger-licking)." - Jeff Fox
"One of the first great ballhandlers, Bob Cousy seemed to see the game unfold before him in slow motion. He was the first of the great true point guards." - Don
[B][SIZE="4"][I]3) John Havlicek - Boston Celtics - 1962-1978[/I][/SIZE][/B]
Celtics accomplishments:
- NBA Hall of Fame member
- member of eight Celtics championship teams
- Celtics all-time leader in games played, minutes played, field goals (made & attempted) and points.
- Finals MVP
- All-Rookie Team
- 11-time All-NBA team
- eight-time All-Defensive Team
- 13-time All-Star
- eighth all-time in career NBA minutes played
- ninth all-time in career field goals made in the NBA
- fifth all-time in career field goal attempts in the NBA
"Despite the myriad of Celtics superstars, you could argue that John Havlicek is 'Mr. Celtic'." - Jeff Fox
"The best sixth man in NBA history, Havlicek dominated games coming off the bench -- something that doesn't happen in today's basketball. In Game 7 of the 1965 NBA Finals, Havlicek stole an in-bounds pass with seven seconds left to preserve a one-point lead over Wilt Chamberlain's 76ers and win the championship." - Diego
"He was the primary scorer for many of Russell's championship teams and bridged the gap between the Russell and Cowens eras. 'Hondo' personified the heart and grit of those 1960s Boston teams." - Philip
[B][I][SIZE="4"]2) Larry Bird - Boston Celtics - 1979-1992[/SIZE][/I][/B]
Celtics accomplishments:
- NBA Hall of Fame member
- member of three championship teams
- 10th all-time in NBA free throw %
- Celtics all-time steals leader
- three-time MVP
- Rookie of the Year
- two-time Finals MVP
- 10-time All-NBA team
- All-Rookie Team
- three-time All-Defensive Team
"One of the greatest basketball players to ever walk this planet, Bird revived the NBA and revolutionized the small forward position. Whenever Boston needed a big bucket, he supplied it." - Diego
"Bird and Magic Johnson saved basketball plain and simple. Their rivalry transcended sports and was the catalyst for the modern NBA. But more than that, Bird's artistry as a teammate and champion was beautiful for basketball fans to watch. He just had an instinct for the game and continually transformed himself to better himself and his teammates. There may not be another player who had everything a basketball player could have." - Philip
[B][I][SIZE="4"]1) Bill Russell - Boston Celtics - 1956-1969[/SIZE][/I][/B]
Celtics accomplishments:
- NBA Hall of Fame member
- member of 11 championship teams as a player
- 2nd most career rebounds in NBA history
- 2nd highest career rebounds per game average in NBA history
- most career rebounds in Celtics history
- 12-time All-Star
- five-time MVP
- 11-time All-NBA Team
- one-time All-Defensive Team