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[QUOTE=DreamRockets]of course is not when there are better players on better teams, lebron's 50 wins was like the 5th or 6th best record in the league, mvp my ass, 50 wins in the east is crap, and thats exactly why kidd didn't win it, because he had no arguments over tim duncan.[/QUOTE]
LeBron averaged 31/7/7 on the team with the 7th best record in the league, actually. Dirk averaged 27/9/3/1blk on the team with the 2nd best record, both deserved the MVP over Nash. The end.
no, lebron didn't , you still don't make an argument for him which has any weight except for his horseshi** numbers which didnt translate into wins :hammerhead: so far dirk is the only argument here, but thats ok, after all stockton is a better shooter than hornacek so we can pretty much know what kind of replies to wait from you :pimp:
on the marion thing im guessing the only way you would even begin to argue he makes him better is scoring because if you want to argue its nash that makes him a better rebounder well ill just laugh you off the board. These are marions scoring averages from each of the 3 pre nash seasons.
19.1
21.1
19.0
3 nash seasons(im including this one
19.4
21.4
19.9
Umm not that big of a difference guys...
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]again wh0re boy , what would the suns be if nash sits out and amare and marion lead the team without him all season long ? :hammerhead: garbage is what they would be without their mvp :pimp:[/QUOTE]
Mmm, Barbosa starting and Banks backing him up? That's better than you'd think. Bell, Marion, Thomas, '30 ppg Amare', Diaw, James Jones, Jalen Rose, Jumaine Jones...I bet they win 50+
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]no, lebron didn't , you still don't make an argument for him which has any weight except for his horseshi** numbers which didnt translate into wins :hammerhead: so far dirk is the only argument here, but thats ok, after all stockton is a better shooter than hornacek so we can pretty much know what kind of replies to wait from you :pimp:[/QUOTE]
im a Dirk fan. Ill straight up admit that. However your arguments just seem abit retarded. So basically now its "well he only screwed one guy so whats the big deal?" Great...
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]no, lebron didn't , you still don't make an argument for him which has any weight except for his horseshi** numbers which didnt translate into wins :hammerhead: so far dirk is the only argument here, but thats ok, after all stockton is a better shooter than hornacek so we can pretty much know what kind of replies to wait from you :pimp:[/QUOTE]
Stockton's just as good of a shooter, exactly what I said in the other thread, horsec0ck.
Yes, LeBron did. And HOW IN THE WORLD does 31 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists every night NOT translate into wins for Cleveland? Are you serious? You're kidding, right?
if you chose marion you cant choose amare and vis versa, nash did it with only one of them in 06.
where would amare lead the suns without nash and marion ?
where would marion lead the suns without nash and amare ?
straight to lottery baby :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=raiderfan19]on the marion thing im guessing the only way you would even begin to argue he makes him better is scoring because if you want to argue its nash that makes him a better rebounder well ill just laugh you off the board. These are marions scoring averages from each of the 3 pre nash seasons.
19.1
21.1
19.0
3 nash seasons(im including this one
19.4
21.4
19.9
Umm not that big of a difference guys...[/QUOTE]
Nash, what a monster. Marion's rebounds went up, maybe it's because Nash is hucking up shots with his hair in his eyes. GOAT!
[QUOTE=EuJazz]Stockton's just as good of a shooter, exactly what I said in the other thread, horsec0ck.
Yes, LeBron did. And HOW IN THE WORLD does 31 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists every night NOT translate into wins for Cleveland? Are you serious? You're kidding, right?[/QUOTE]
how in the world does he only get 50 wins in the pathetic east if those all-mighty legendary numbers translate into wins ? they should have won 70 games then if his numbers translate into wins :pimp:
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]again wh0re boy , what would the suns be if nash sits out and amare and marion lead the team without him all season long ? :hammerhead: garbage is what they would be without their mvp :pimp:[/QUOTE]
Ok, I see that you're an idiot so I'll try to use simple words:
I never said that Nash wasn't a key part of his team's success. He obviously was and is.
However, nothing that you just said explains [B]why he should be the MVP of the entire league[/B].
Do you get it? He is an excellent distributor, who gets his teammates involved but a player averaging 15.5ppg, even with lots of assists, does not rise to the traditional level of someone who wins the MVP.
Was that simple enough for you?
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]if you chose marion you cant choose amare and vis versa, nash did it with only one of them in 06.
where would amare lead the suns without nash and marion ?
where would marion lead the suns without nash and amare ?
straight to lottery baby :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
You could use that logic with any of the MVP candidates.
Where would the Mavs be without Dirk? How about Kobe's and Lebron's teams? That's right, Nash still had a better supporting cast than any of these players.
Im still also waiting for the explanation of how everything marion does right is attributable to nash but everything he does wrong is his own fault?
[QUOTE=raiderfan19]Im still also waiting for the explanation of how everything marion does right is attributable to nash but everything he does wrong is his own fault?[/QUOTE]
Who said this?
so what ? if they dont win enough games they dont win mvp, PERIOD, what part of "winning 45 and 50 games isnt gonna get you mvp" the kobe and lebron groupies don't get ? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]if you chose marion you cant choose amare and vis versa, nash did it with only one of them in 06.
where would amare lead the suns without nash and marion ?
where would marion lead the suns without nash and amare ?
straight to lottery baby :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
He had them both the first year, jackass. Nash has always had one or the other. You'd have to say 'Where would Amare and Marion lead the Suns without Nash.'
Which, with Barbosa at point guard, there's not too big of a dropoff (what, 18 points and 7 assists instead of 18 and 10?) So in that case they average what, 102-104 points instead of around 110? Damn! They'll never win! :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]if you chose marion you cant choose amare and vis versa, nash did it with only one of them in 06.
where would amare lead the suns without nash and marion ?
where would marion lead the suns without nash and amare ?
straight to lottery baby :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Umm why the hell would you only have to pick one dip****? Has nash ever had to lead the suns without BOTH of those guys? I swear i think if someone asked you whats 2 + 2 you would answer nash is the mvp and the suns would suck without nash.
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]so what ? if they dont win enough games they dont win mvp, PERIOD, what part of "winning 45 and 50 games isnt gonna get you mvp" the kobe and lebron groupies don't get ? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Dirk Nowitzki.
Just admit that at least he deserved it over Nash and we can go ahead and call it good.
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Ok, I see that you're an idiot so I'll try to use simple words:
I never said that Nash wasn't a key part of his team's success. He obviously was and is.
However, nothing that you just said explains [B]why he should be the MVP of the entire league[/B].
Do you get it? He is an excellent distributor, who gets his teammates involved but a player averaging 15.5ppg, even with lots of assists, does not rise to the traditional level of someone who wins the MVP.
Was that simple enough for you?[/QUOTE]
11 assists translate into 22 points at least and up to 33 points if you consider 3pointers, in 00 shaq won mvp with 29 ppg and 3.8 apg.
nash averaged from 37 to 48 ppg considering his assists and shaq did from 37 to 41 ppg in 00 when he won mvp by a landslide, care to explain that ? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]so what ? if they dont win enough games they dont win mvp, PERIOD, what part of "winning 45 and 50 games isnt gonna get you mvp" the kobe and lebron groupies don't get ? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Dirk had 60 wins last season with better numbers, why Nash before Dirk?
[QUOTE=EuJazz]Dirk Nowitzki.
Just admit that at least he deserved it over Nash and we can go ahead and call it good.[/QUOTE]
and i already conceded the dirk part of the debate deaf idiot :hammerhead: ist the kobe and lebron groupies who are driving me crazy :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=XxNeXuSxX]Who said this?[/QUOTE]
everyone in other threads. When they say that during the regular season everything marion does comes from nash but then he choked on his own in the playoffs(against the spurs). If everything he gets comes from nash then maybe nash choked at setting him up? (yes i know it sounds stupid thats the point i want some of you to realize how stupid some of the logic you use sounds)
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]11 assists translate into 22 points at least and up to 33 points if you consider 3pointers, in 00 shaq won mvp with 29 ppg and 3.8 apg.
nash averaged from 37 to 48 ppg considering his assists and shaq did from 37 to 41 ppg in 00 when he won mvp by a landslide, care to explain that ? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
You did not just go there, Shaq averaged around 13 rebounds and 3 blocks that season shooting around 58% from the field while being a force on both ends of the floor, he was the most dominant player of all-time during that period, and you're comparing him to Nash based on assist numbers?
OK its over, the arguement is over
Nash shouldn't have won MVP
Dirk should've, Dream Rocket admit it
end of thread
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]11 assists translate into 22 points at least and up to 33 points if you consider 3pointers, in 00 shaq won mvp with 29 ppg and 3.8 apg.
nash averaged from 37 to 48 ppg considering his assists and shaq did from 37 to 41 ppg in 00 when he won mvp by a landslide, care to explain that ? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
So we should just go ahead and change mvp to pg of the year award then by your retarded ass logic. Other positions create shots for teammates in ways that dont lead to assists(screens, players doubling, just attention in general and drawing the best defenders) you are also totally ignoring defense, rebounding and just general impact on the game. Congratulations. I dub thee moron.
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]and i already conceded the dirk part of the debate deaf idiot :hammerhead: ist the kobe and lebron groupies who are driving me crazy :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Um, Nash didn't deserve it. Doesn't matter to whom. Good. We're done.
[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]You did not just go there, Shaq averaged around 13 rebounds and 3 blocks that season shooting around 58% from the field while being a force on both ends of the floor, he was the most dominant player of all-time during that period, and you're comparing him to Nash based on assist numbers?[/QUOTE]
im trying to understand the argument of the deluded nash haters who think he shoulndt win mvp because of his scoring average while they think kobe should win it based on scoring average :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]11 assists translate into 22 points at least and up to 33 points if you consider 3pointers, in 00 shaq won mvp with 29 ppg and 3.8 apg.
nash averaged from 37 to 48 ppg considering his assists and shaq did from 37 to 41 ppg in 00 when he won mvp by a landslide, care to explain that ? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Oh... so now we should add assist numbers to re-calculate scoring totals???
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
What a genius! I nominate you as the smartest poster of the year!
I don
just so im getting this straight dream you have just spent 7 pages arguing that nash deserved the mvp when you really feel that dirk deserved it?
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Oh... so now we should add assist numbers to re-calculate scoring totals???
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
What a genius! I nominate you as the smartest poster of the year![/QUOTE]
so that's your rebuttal ? :confusedshrug: i was expecting something more from the idiot who thinks scoring average = mvp :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=bumpyknucks]I don
[QUOTE=raiderfan19]just so im getting this straight dream you have just spent 7 pages arguing that nash deserved the mvp when you really feel that dirk deserved it?[/QUOTE]
i have argued a billion times the only argument you can make is about dirk, i dont know how that overhyped pretender lebron james got into the mvp list and that coat-tail rider kobe bryant got into the list with 45 wins,
45 wins for the mvp ? :rollingeyes: nicccee :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]so that's your rebuttal ? :confusedshrug: i was expecting something more from the idiot who thinks scoring average = mvp :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
You're right.
Scoring average + hair length.
Wait, Dirk STILL deserves it.
maybe dirk getting wh0red by 1 ppg/1 rpg ryan bowen was still in the mind of the voters ? :confusedshrug: :pimp: :roll:
i guess we'll never know, thats the only explanation i can find from a voter's pov.
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]i have argued a billion times the only argument you can make is about dirk, i dont know how that overhyped pretender lebron james got into the mvp list and that coat-tail rider kobe bryant got into the list with 45 wins,
45 wins for the mvp ? :rollingeyes: nicccee :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Just say dirk nowitzki deserved the mvp and well be good. Ill wonder why it took you so long to say this but thats not a big deal. Here the thing there is no argument for taking nash over dirk. So its not a well you can make an argument for dirk situation. Its a nash had no business winning situation which has been my point the entire thread.
BTW dont take my arguments in this thread the wrong way. I like nash. Always have(its from his time in dallas) but hes not as valuable as dirk. (or lebron ;)
Yeah
I like Nash too...He is the best PG in the game today...and the best shooter in the league too
But, Dirk deserved MVP
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]except for getting his ass kicked by the true best player in the league :roll:
maybe that softie dirk nowitzki getting wh0red by 1 ppg/1 rpg ryan bowen was still in the mind of the voters ? :confusedshrug: :pimp: :roll:
i guess we'll never know.[/QUOTE]
Yeah dirk getting "whored" had nothing to do with him having bronchitis and getting routinely doubled and tripled which led to jason terry having a ton of open looks. But wait that would mean he made players better even though he didnt pile up assist numbers and nash groupies cant recognize that someone could "make someone else better" without piling up assist numbers.
dirk did not deserve the award last year.
marion with an average pg would have no offense outside of offensive putbacks.
[QUOTE=EuJazz]You're right.
Scoring average + hair length.
Wait, Dirk STILL deserves it.[/QUOTE]
Classic. :roll:
he made players better ? :roll:
the rockets lost juwan howard and started that scrub bowen which meant playing 4-on-5 against dallas, oyu can make all the arguments you want but a player shooting 30% is in fact getting owned, specially a superstar, specially a freakin PF ! :hammerhead: